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(2) They are being saved from end time war. It has nothing to do with personal salvation. Notice agape love in Matt 24:12 and Rom 8:35, 38-39.Dave24 said:Just a few other scriptures that prove the osas doctrine false.
1) Jude 5
2) Mat 24:13
3) Phil 2:12
4) Heb 10:26,27
5) Heb 6:4-6
6) Heb 5:9
7) James 2:14,26
8) Heb 3:12-14
1 Corinthians 10:12
This has nothing to do with salvation. It has to do with the penalty of sin because sin is death. Ezek 18:24 NIV, James 1:13-15 NIV.rockytopva said:How about Ezekiel 33?
11 Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord God, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?
12 Therefore, thou son of man, say unto the children of thy people, The righteousness of the righteous shall not deliver him in the day of his transgression: as for the wickedness of the wicked, he shall not fall thereby in the day that he turneth from his wickedness; neither shall the righteous be able to live for his righteousness in the day that he sinneth.
13 When I shall say to the righteous, that he shall surely live; if he trust to his own righteousness, and commit iniquity, all his righteousnesses shall not be remembered; but for his iniquity that he hath committed, he shall die for it.
14 Again, when I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; if he turn from his sin, and do that which is lawful and right;
15 If the wicked restore the pledge, give again that he had robbed, walk in the statutes of life, without committing iniquity; he shall surely live, he shall not die.
16 None of his sins that he hath committed shall be mentioned unto him: he hath done that which is lawful and right; he shall surely live. - Ezekiel 33
If a saved man turns from his righteousness, his salvation will not be remembered.
If a wicked man turns from his wickedness and gets saved, his wickedness will not be remembered.
He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels. - Revelation 3:5rockytopva said:18 When the righteous turneth from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, he shall even die thereby.
19 But if the wicked turn from his wickedness, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall live thereby. - Ezekiel 33
Turn from your righteousness.... Commit iniquity... Die in your sins... All your past righteousness and good works, including your salvation, will be forgotten.
It's not referring to salvation. It's referring to the consequences of sin. The agape love of God will never be separated from us, ever Rom 8:35, 38-39.rockytopva said:18 When the righteous turneth from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, he shall even die thereby.
19 But if the wicked turn from his wickedness, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall live thereby. - Ezekiel 33
Turn from your righteousness.... Commit iniquity... Die in your sins... All your past righteousness and good works, including your salvation, will be forgotten.
You must believe to overcome rocky. What are we believing in?rockytopva said:He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels. - Revelation 3:5
What is the day of redemption..Eph 4:30 NIV And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.Dave24 said:No use arguing with these guys, Jesus could stand before them and tell them they are wrong...but i am afraid they will argue with Him too. I am out!!
You do err not knowing the scriptures!Also there is a more accurate explanation for the parable of the wheat...
Satan was expelled from heaven, not defeated yet!
1 Peter 5:8
Yes Bard it means just that,The term translated "faith" means just that. Faith.
<<Some shall depart from the faith, not saving faith.>>ATP said:Some shall depart from the faith, not saving faith.."departed" in 1 Tim 4:1-2 NIV is translated "aphistémi" which means to lead away, to depart from. Also notice in Luke 8:13 NIV the same word "aphistémi" is used for the term "fall away". Why did they fall away? Because they had no root of salvation...
Luke 8:13 NIV Those on the rocky ground are the ones who receive the word with joy when they hear it, but they have no root. They believe for a while, but in the time of testing they fall away.
Also notice it's mentioning two different people here, those who forbid people to etc...and those who believe and who know the truth.
1 Tim 4:1-3 NIV The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. 2Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. 3They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth.
Eph 1:13-14 NIV And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, 14who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession—to the praise of his glory.
- ATP
No not really. Otherwise God is in contradiction and a liar. Eternal life comes by believing.....iakov said:<<Some shall depart from the faith, not saving faith.>>
That is a total red herring. It is a contrivance of smoke and mirrors to evade what is clearly being stated. There is only "THE faith."
<<1 Tim 4:1 NIV The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith...>>
Again, its "THE" faith.
You are using the straw man logical fallacy. Your argument fails.