Scott Downey
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7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second. 8 Because finding fault with them, He says: “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah— 9 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they did not continue in My covenant, and I disregarded them, says the Lord.“Everlasting = Everlasting.”
No. Everlasting covenants in scripture are always conditional upon obedience — unless you think God’s promise to Eli’s priestly line was a lie?
“Therefore the LORD, the God of Israel, declares:
I promised that your house… would minister before me forever.
But now the LORD declares:
Far be it from me! Those who honor me I will honor,
but those who despise me will be disdained.”
— 1 Samuel 2:30
“Everlasting” doesn’t mean unbreakable.
Israel broke the covenant — over and over — and God removed them from the land every time.
So yes: “Everlasting” covenants can be revoked — not because God fails, but because man breaks them.
And as for Romans 11:29 — the “calling of God” was irrevocable. That’s why Christ came — to fulfill the covenant through Himself, not through unbelieving flesh.
“Jews suffered for 1900 years — just like Deuteronomy 28 said.”
Yes. And Deuteronomy 28 also says this:
“And the LORD will scatter you among all peoples…
And among these nations you shall find no respite…
and you shall serve other gods of wood and stone…”
— Deut 28:64-65
And what does Deut 29:25–27 say about why this curse happened?
“Because they abandoned the covenant of the Lord…
and went and served other gods…
Therefore the Lord’s anger burned against this land,
so that he brought upon it all the curses written in this book.”
So yes, history matches prophecy.
But you're ignoring the New Covenant that those same Jews rejected.
“He came to His own,
but His own did not receive Him.”
— John 1:11
And now you're telling me that after rejecting the Messiah,
they still get the land?
Where in scripture is a second covenant made with unrepentant rebels who reject and mock God's Son?
“They preserved their identity and returned in 1948 — a miracle!”
No, that wasn’t a miracle.
That was British imperialism, UN politics, and the Rothschild-funded Zionist movement, openly acknowledged by even Jewish historians.
The “miracle” is that so many Christians bought it.
Jesus didn’t die on a cross to restore a theocracy without Him.
He came to fulfill the covenant.
And He told the Pharisees their house was left desolate.
“The kingdom of God will be taken away from you
and given to a nation producing its fruits.”
— Matthew 21:43
The Apostles knew exactly what that meant.
They never again pointed to the land.
They pointed to Christ.
“Give me the Justin Martyr quote.”
Gladly:
“As, therefore, Christ is the Israel and the Jacob, even so we,
who have been quarried out from the bowels of Christ,
are the true Israelite race.”
— Justin Martyr, Dialogue with Trypho, ch. 135
And here's Irenaeus:
“They who are disobedient… are deprived of the inheritance,
but the righteous shall remember their blessed inheritance.”
— Irenaeus, Against Heresies, Book 4, ch. 9.1
They weren’t waiting for a land without Jesus.
They were preaching the Kingdom of Christ,
not the rebirth of an ethnic nation of dirt.
“The Bible is about Jews.”
No.
The Bible is about Christ.
And Christ redefined Israel by His own blood.
“If you are Christ’s,
then you are Abraham’s offspring,
heirs according to the promise.”
— Galatians 3:29
If you reject Christ,
you forfeit the inheritance.
That includes the land.
So no — the Bible is not about modern-day Jews.
It’s about Jesus.
And Jesus is the only way back into the promises of God.
“We are the generation to witness this miracle.”
Then you’re the generation to witness the deception.
The real miracle is that so many Christians, ignorantly and stupidly now defend
a secular, Christ-rejecting state —
built on UN papers and banking deals —
and dare to call it "holy".
That’s not a miracle.
That’s strong delusion.
And God warned us about it.
You want to believe God’s covenant is with those who reject His Son?
Then you’ve denied the Gospel.
Because the covenant is now in Christ —
and there is no other name under heaven by which men can be saved.
“The Body of Christ is Israel.
There is no other.”
If that offends you —
you’re not defending Israel.
You’re denying the King of it.
Exactly so, the OC and the promises are all fulfilled in Christ
Matthew 5:17
Christ Fulfills the Law
“Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill.They broke His holy covenant, the promises were based on obedience and they failed almost continually. Therefore, God disregarded them and sought for another better covenant with better promises. None of them received the promise as they could not be made perfect apart from us until the New Covenant established in Christ's blood.
People fail to be obedient, a fail in one tiny part of the LAW means you have failed the whole Law.
Hebrews 8
1 Now this is the main point of the things we are saying: We have such a High Priest, who is seated at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens, 2 a Minister of the [a]sanctuary and of the true tabernacle which the Lord erected, and not man.
3 For every high priest is appointed to offer both gifts and sacrifices. Therefore it is necessary that this One also have something to offer. 4 For if He were on earth, He would not be a priest, since there are priests who offer the gifts according to the law; 5 who serve the copy and shadow of the heavenly things, as Moses was divinely instructed when he was about to make the tabernacle. For He said, “See that you make all things according to the pattern shown you on the mountain.” 6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.
A New Covenant
7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second. 8 Because finding fault with them, He says: “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah— 9 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they did not continue in My covenant, and I disregarded them, says the Lord. 10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 11 None of them shall teach his neighbor, and none his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them. 12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins [b]and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.”13 In that He says, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
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