ARE BELIEVERS BORN AGAIN WHILE ON EARTH?

[PS95]

Were you baptized JW. If so do not speak to me.

Nope, Keiw. I have told you at least a dozen times that I wasn't baptized as a JW. I was raised in the Jw teachings, so of course I only had a NWT.

 

[Keiw]

Nope, Keiw. I have told you at least a dozen times that I wasn't baptized as a JW. I was raised in the Jw teachings, so of course I only had a NWT.

Sorry, but i am in many sights like this and its hard to remember who is who. You have my apologies----again.

 

[PS95]

Sorry, but i am in many sights like this and its hard to remember who is who. You have my apologies----again.

No worries.
Do you understand why I began this thread? Aunty Jane told a poster that being born again did not happen on earth but is a …it is a supernatural transformation that happens upon resurrection. What?
Even the gov body who doesn't understand it properly, doesn't teach that!
What is going on there? She wont reply to this thread.

 

[bro.tan]

All threw Christian dome brothers and sisters we hear the term born again. You will hear people in the churches, on the street, at work, even in jail, making the statement, "since I have been born again. For those who have any knowledge in the word (Holy Scriptures) will understand that this just isn’t the case, because born again is a change in the body not in the mind. Now Paul says in Romans 12: 1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. 2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. Now this is a pretty simple lesson brother and sisters, pay close attention to what’s being said.

Now, Let’s jump right in a conversation that Jesus was having with a man name Nicodemus. John 3:1 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews: 2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him. 3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

Notice verse 3, except a man is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. We have just learned something here. If you are not born again you can not see the kingdom of God. As we go further you will understand this. Remember there is a time for everything.

Nicodemus asked a very good question. Take a look at the next set of verses.

John 3:4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? 5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

In verse 5, born of the water in this case is the Word of God. Notice the Lord mentions the kingdom of God again, but He adds a little more information. He says "Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. When he mentions spirit He means exactly that. Watch how the Lord gives something physical to describe exactly what He means.

John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Notice: He made a difference between flesh and spirit. Ask yourself that question, was you born flesh or spirit? Angels where born spirit being, man and beast are born flesh and blood. There will be no flesh in the Father Kingdom, only spirit beings, so everyone must be born again. Only Jesus in his thousand year reign will have both, which includes the first resurrection.

John 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

Notice: He compared the wind to a spirit. Can you see the wind? No! We have seen things being blown around by the wind, but we have never seen the wind. If you are born of the spirit you are like the wind. This is when you are truly born again, when you are born of the spirit.

Notice: what Jesus does in these next few verses.

Remember, this is after His resurrection.

John 20:26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you. 27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. 28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

Note two very important things within these verses. 1. Jesus appeared in the midst of them and the doors were shut. 2. Thomas called Him God. When Jesus came out of the grave he was born into the God family, Jesus was Born Again.

 

[Behold]

Jesus said..

"You must be born again"..

No one is born again in Hell.

So, that certainly explains where it must happen to you, and water baptism is not the new birth.

 

[PS95]

All threw Christian dome brothers and sisters we hear the term born again. You will hear people in the churches, on the street, at work, even in jail, making the statement, "since I have been born again. For those who have any knowledge in the word (Holy Scriptures) will understand that this just isn’t the case, because born again is a change in the body not in the mind. Now Paul says in Romans 12: 1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. 2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. Now this is a pretty simple lesson brother and sisters, pay close attention to what’s being said.

It is a renewing of the mind and heart which is the work of God's spirit in within us. If you don't know that then I would say you have not been born again. There is a taking over of former fleshly desires as a result also. It is a total renewal that is a process.

Now, Let’s jump right in a conversation that Jesus was having with a man name Nicodemus. John 3:1 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews: 2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him. 3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

Notice verse 3, except a man is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. We have just learned something here. If you are not born again you can not see the kingdom of God. As we go further you will understand this. Remember there is a time for everything.

Nicodemus asked a very good question. Take a look at the next set of verses.

John 3:4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? 5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Born of water is being born of a woman. the flesh birth. Being born of the spirit is the spiritual rebirth.

In verse 5, born of the water in this case is the Word of God. Notice the Lord mentions the kingdom of God again, but He adds a little more information. He says "Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. When he mentions spirit He means exactly that. Watch how the Lord gives something physical to describe exactly what He means.

John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Yes flesh birth/ spirit birth.

Notice: He made a difference between flesh and spirit. Ask yourself that question, was you born flesh or spirit? Angels where born spirit being, man and beast are born flesh and blood. There will be no flesh in the Father Kingdom, only spirit beings, so everyone must be born again. Only Jesus in his thousand year reign will have both, which includes the first resurrection.

John 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

That's right.

Notice: He compared the wind to a spirit. Can you see the wind? No! We have seen things being blown around by the wind, but we have never seen the wind. If you are born of the spirit you are like the wind. This is when you are truly born again, when you are born of the spirit.

No we do not see the spirit in us. It is like the wind that blows, WE SEE the effects of the wind. Just as we see the effects of the spirit working in us.

Notice: what Jesus does in these next few verses.

Remember, this is after His resurrection.

John 20:26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you. 27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. 28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

His body was flesh and bones but changed.

Note two very important things within these verses. 1. Jesus appeared in the midst of them and the doors were shut. 2. Thomas called Him God. When Jesus came out of the grave he was born into the God family, Jesus was Born Again.

Jesus was not born again. Being born again is FOR SINNERS NOW IN THIS LIFE. You are very mistaken.

 

[Keiw]

No worries.
Do you understand why I began this thread? Aunty Jane told a poster that being born again did not happen on earth but is a …it is a supernatural transformation that happens upon resurrection. What?
Even the gov body who doesn't understand it properly, doesn't teach that!
What is going on there? She wont reply to this thread.

No one is perfect. Years and years of hard bible study= more years of hard bible study is still needed.

 

[bro.tan]

It is a renewing of the mind and heart which is the work of God's spirit in within us. If you don't know that then I would say you have not been born again. There is a taking over of former fleshly desires as a result also. It is a total renewal that is a process.

Born of water is being born of a woman. the flesh birth. Being born of the spirit is the spiritual rebirth.

Yes flesh birth/ spirit birth.

That's right.

No we do not see the spirit in us. It is like the wind that blows, WE SEE the effects of the wind. Just as we see the effects of the spirit working in us.

His body was flesh and bones but changed.

Jesus was not born again. Being born again is FOR SINNERS NOW IN THIS LIFE. You are very mistaken.

When Jesus was in the flesh, the Bible call him the Son of man. Let's go into Hebrews 2: 5 For unto the angels hath he not put in subjection the world to come, whereof we speak. 6 But one in a certain place testified, saying, What is man, that thou art mindful of him? Or the son of man, that thou visitest him? 7 Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; Thou crownedst him with glory and honour, And didst set him over the works of thy hands: 8 Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him. 9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man. 10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.

So when Jesus died and born again he had a different Body and can do other things like pop up from nowhere, etc. Look at what 1 Peter says in Ch 1: 23 being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. Paul confirm what Peter says the same thing in 1 Corthinan 15: 42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: 43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: 44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

Let's go into Luke 24:27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself. 28 And they drew nigh unto the village, whither they went: and he made as though he would have gone further. 29 But they constrained him, saying, Abide with us: for it is toward evening, and the day is far spent. And he went in to tarry with them. 30 And it came to pass, as he sat at meat with them, he took bread, and blessed it, and brake, and gave to them. 31 And their eyes were opened, and they knew him; and he vanished out of their sight.

Look at verse 31, once they realized that it was Jesus they spoke with, what happen? He vanished out of their sight. Remember in John chapter 3 and verse 8. The Lord gave an example of how a spirit would look. He likened a spirit to the wind.( John 3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.)

Paul says in Philippians 3:21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

And when will this take place?

Again in I Corinthians 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

At the last trump, and not a moment before.

 

[PS95]

When Jesus was in the flesh, the Bible call him the Son of man. Let's go into Hebrews 2: 5 For unto the angels hath he not put in subjection the world to come, whereof we speak. 6 But one in a certain place testified, saying, What is man, that thou art mindful of him? Or the son of man, that thou visitest him? 7 Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; Thou crownedst him with glory and honour, And didst set him over the works of thy hands: 8 Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him. 9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man. 10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.

So when Jesus died and born again he had a different Body and can do other things like pop up from nowhere, etc. Look at what 1 Peter says in Ch 1: 23 being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. Paul confirm what Peter says the same thing in 1 Corthinan 15: 42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: 43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: 44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

Let's go into Luke 24:27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself. 28 And they drew nigh unto the village, whither they went: and he made as though he would have gone further. 29 But they constrained him, saying, Abide with us: for it is toward evening, and the day is far spent. And he went in to tarry with them. 30 And it came to pass, as he sat at meat with them, he took bread, and blessed it, and brake, and gave to them. 31 And their eyes were opened, and they knew him; and he vanished out of their sight.

Look at verse 31, once they realized that it was Jesus they spoke with, what happen? He vanished out of their sight. Remember in John chapter 3 and verse 8. The Lord gave an example of how a spirit would look. He likened a spirit to the wind.( John 3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.)

Paul says in Philippians 3:21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

And when will this take place?

Again in I Corinthians 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

At the last trump, and not a moment before.

You are speaking about the body being glorified which is later. I am speaking about renewal of the inward man NOW- That is what being born again is about. A glorified body will be given to those who are born again INWARD. This is all a work of God in us.
Look at the scriptures please-

You were born not of blood nor by the will of man but of God. 1 John 5:1

He saved us not by the righteous deeds we've done but according to His mercy through the washing of the new birth and renewal by the Holy Spirit. Titus 3:5

Everyone who believes Jesus is the Christ has been born of God. 1 John 5:1

No one born of God practices sin because His seed remains in him..... 1 John 3:9

Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation- old things have passed away, BEHOLD, the new has come. 2 Cor 5:17

Neither circumcism or uncircumcism counts for anything, what counts is the new creation. Gal 6:15

If you know that He is righteous, you know that everyone also who practices righteousness is born of Him. 1 John 2:29

See also- Col 3:9-11 , Ro 6:28-29, Ro 6:4 .. , Eph 4:22-24, Gal 2;20, Ro 12:2, Ro 8:15-16, 1 Pe 1:22=23,

 

[bro.tan]

You are speaking about the body being glorified which is later. I am speaking about renewal of the inward man NOW- That is what being born again is about. A glorified body will be given to those who are born again INWARD. This is all a work of God in us.
Look at the scriptures please-

You were born not of blood nor by the will of man but of God. 1 John 5:1

He saved us not by the righteous deeds we've done but according to His mercy through the washing of the new birth and renewal by the Holy Spirit. Titus 3:5

Everyone who believes Jesus is the Christ has been born of God. 1 John 5:1

No one born of God practices sin because His seed remains in him..... 1 John 3:9

Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation- old things have passed away, BEHOLD, the new has come. 2 Cor 5:17

Neither circumcism or uncircumcism counts for anything, what counts is the new creation. Gal 6:15

If you know that He is righteous, you know that everyone also who practices righteousness is born of Him. 1 John 2:29

See also- Col 3:9-11 , Ro 6:28-29, Ro 6:4 .. , Eph 4:22-24, Gal 2;20, Ro 12:2, Ro 8:15-16, 1 Pe 1:22=23,

Your verses it's not going to override the verse I quoted concerning born again, if this is what you want to believe, go right ahead.....peace in Jesus name

 

[PS95]

Your verses it's not going to override the verse I quoted concerning born again, if this is what you want to believe, go right ahead.....peace in Jesus name

I gave you many verses and it's a very sad thing to see you disregard them all. You are looking at the outside of the cup and ignoring the inner cleansing which is of utmost importance. The Pharisees also did that. But so be it.

 

[PS95]

No one is perfect. Years and years of hard bible study= more years of hard bible study is still needed.

I agree no none is perfect. But this is not hard. It happens and is not of us, but by God.

 

[bro.tan]

I gave you many verses and it's a very sad thing to see you disregard them all. You are looking at the outside of the cup and ignoring the inner cleansing which is of utmost importance. The Pharisees also did that. But so be it.

I'm going to stay Godly because I know what that spirit is that made you referred to me as a Pharisee. Born again is a change in the body not in the mind. Now Paul says in Romans 12: 1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. 2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

Both of these things have to happen but they will happen at two different times in life. I decided to leave the conversation alone because you don't understand the conversation between Nicodemus and Jesus. Then I quoted you Peter and Paul, now they all, including Jesus is talking about the same thing. A change in the Body not the mind. Again,

1 Peter says in Ch 1: 23 being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. Again, Paul confirm what Peter says the same thing in 1 Corthinan 15: 42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: 43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: 44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

If you can't see this why should I continue the conversation, just because you believe different. I agree with what you saying, as far as we need to have a change in the mind, and you right, because you have to have that as well to be Christ like. But born again is a change in the body, not the mind.

 

[PS95]

I'm going to stay Godly because I know what that spirit is that made you referred to me as a Pharisee. Born again is a change in the body not in the mind. Now Paul says in Romans 12: 1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. 2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

Both of these things have to happen but they will happen at two different times in life. I decided to leave the conversation alone because you don't understand the conversation between Nicodemus and Jesus. Then I quoted you Peter and Paul, now they all, including Jesus is talking about the same thing. A change in the Body not the mind. Again,

1 Peter says in Ch 1: 23 being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. Again, Paul confirm what Peter says the same thing in 1 Corthinan 15: 42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: 43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: 44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

If you can't see this why should I continue the conversation, just because you believe different. I agree with what you saying, as far as we need to have a change in the mind, and you right, because you have to have that as well to be Christ like. But born again is a change in the body, not the mind.

BroTan,
You agree that context is king don't you? IF Peter was speaking about death I would say you had a bit of a point. Although, all of the other verses I have given you would still hold where many even use the terms born again. You dismissed them.
So much of the scriptures pertain to the new life we live now in the Spirit- which is a part of being born anew.
Peter was not speaking about death at all. All of this is speaking about life now, not death. Also take note of the tenses. Past present. Peter is not talking to dead people or about dead people.
Let's view the context-

1 Peter 1 13-23
13Therefore, prepare your minds for action, keep sober in spirit, fix your hope completely on the grace to be brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ. 14As obedient children, do not be conformed to the former lusts which were yours in your ignorance, 15but like the Holy One who called you, be holy yourselves also in all your behavior; 16because it is written, “YOU SHALL BE HOLY, FOR I AM HOLY.”

17If you address as Father the One who impartially judges according to each one’s work, conduct yourselves in fear during the time of your stay on earth; 18knowing that you were not redeemed with perishable things like silver or gold from your futile way of life inherited from your forefathers, 19but with precious blood, as of a lamb unblemished and spotless, the blood of Christ. 20For He was foreknown before the foundation of the world, but has appeared in these last times for the sake of you 21who through Him are believers in God, who raised Him from the dead and gave Him glory, so that your faith and hope are in God. 22Since you have in obedience to the truth purified your souls for a sincere love of the brethren, fervently love one another from the heart, 23for you have been born again not of seed which is perishable but imperishable, that is, through the living and enduring word of God.

Do you see this? Your position is not in line with Peter's words at all.
If your heels are still dug in I see no point in arguing with you, but I hope you can see this.

 

[bro.tan]

BroTan,
You agree that context is king don't you? IF Peter was speaking about death I would say you had a bit of a point. Although, all of the other verses I have given you would still hold where many even use the terms born again. You dismissed them.
So much of the scriptures pertain to the new life we live now in the Spirit- which is a part of being born anew.
Peter was not speaking about death at all. All of this is speaking about life now, not death. Also take note of the tenses. Past present. Peter is not talking to dead people or about dead people.
Let's view the context-

1 Peter 1 13-23
13Therefore, prepare your minds for action, keep sober in spirit, fix your hope completely on the grace to be brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ. 14As obedient children, do not be conformed to the former lusts which were yours in your ignorance, 15but like the Holy One who called you, be holy yourselves also in all your behavior; 16because it is written, “YOU SHALL BE HOLY, FOR I AM HOLY.”

17If you address as Father the One who impartially judges according to each one’s work, conduct yourselves in fear during the time of your stay on earth; 18knowing that you were not redeemed with perishable things like silver or gold from your futile way of life inherited from your forefathers, 19but with precious blood, as of a lamb unblemished and spotless, the blood of Christ. 20For He was foreknown before the foundation of the world, but has appeared in these last times for the sake of you 21who through Him are believers in God, who raised Him from the dead and gave Him glory, so that your faith and hope are in God. 22Since you have in obedience to the truth purified your souls for a sincere love of the brethren, fervently love one another from the heart, 23for you have been born again not of seed which is perishable but imperishable, that is, through the living and enduring word of God.

Do you see this? Your position is not in line with Peter's words at all.
If your heels are still dug in I see no point in arguing with you, but I hope you can see this.

I agree with you 100% but it's not called born again, that happen at the first resurrection. What you preaching is repentance, putting off the old man. Creating a new man after Christ, I agree. But pay attention to what you just quote from 1 Peter 1: 23 being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. 24 For All flesh is as grass, And all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:

Notice how Peter shifts the conversation and compares us to grass and flower, because it dies and we died. The word of God never dies, but Peter had to make this comparison with flesh and grass, so people can understand the difference of what he's' talking about. When we born again, we can't die anymore, we not of the flesh anymore. Right now our minds are in the spirit of God, if we walk in his word and keep his Commandment, Statues and Judgements. But we live in the flesh. We are of the corruptible seed, flesh! Paul says in Philippians 3:21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

And when will this take place?

In I Corinthians 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

At the last trump, and not a moment before. One last place in 1 Corinthian 15: 20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. 21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

 

[PS95]

I agree with you 100% but it's not called born again, that happen at the first resurrection. What you preaching is repentance, putting off the old man. Creating a new man after Christ, I agree. But pay attention to what you just quote from 1 Peter 1: 23 being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. 24 For All flesh is as grass, And all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:

Notice how Peter shifts the conversation and compares us to grass and flower, because it dies and we died. The word of God never dies, but Peter had to make this comparison with flesh and grass, so people can understand the difference of what he's' talking about. When we born again, we can't die anymore, we not of the flesh anymore. Right now our minds are in the spirit of God, if we walk in his word and keep his Commandment, Statues and Judgements. But we live in the flesh. We are of the corruptible seed, flesh! Paul says in Philippians 3:21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

And when will this take place?

In I Corinthians 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

At the last trump, and not a moment before. One last place in 1 Corinthian 15: 20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. 21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

I guess you will continue posting your verses and I will post mine. And so it goes. You don't seem to be connecting that my verses all spoke of now in the present life of a believer and not something that occurs at death ,and that certainly includes Pete's verse. It is not negotiable.
The phrases and terms,
Renewing the Mind , the New Man. a New Creature, Walking in New Life, walking in the Spirit, Sanctification etc all pertain to being born again. That all occurs now.

 

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I guess you will continue posting your verses and I will post mine. And so it goes. You don't seem to be connecting that my verses all spoke of now in the present life of a believer and not something that occurs at death ,and that certainly includes Pete's verse. It is not negotiable.
The phrases and terms,
Renewing the Mind , the New Man. a New Creature, Walking in New Life, walking in the Spirit, Sanctification etc all pertain to being born again. That all occurs now.

And this is why I tried to discontinue the conversation peacefully earlier.....peace in Jesus name.