Agree.
My point is that no one informed us of these things in church.
We were told that the English translation of the Bible was God's inerrant inspired Word delivered directly to us.
That's not what happened.
Are our English translations of the Bible, the inspired and inerrant Word of God?
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My point is that no one informed us of these things in church.
We were told that the English translation of the Bible was God's inerrant inspired Word delivered directly to us.
That's not what happened.
Chihuahua
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I always get a kick out of people who claim (no one here, yet?) such and such is WORD BY WORD translation. They know basic Spanish and think you can just do word for word because red is rojo.
Ronald Nolette
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Interesting fact. We could remove all bibles from the planet, and based solely on the works of the ante-Nicene fathers we can recreate the NT with all but 27 verses, or so I am told. teh bible is the most quoted book of all time.Agree, sort of.
You understand that the original autographs no longer exist, correct?
The copies of copies of copies of copies that we do have are full of textual variants.
Majority Text vs. Critical Text vs. Textus Receptus - Textual Criticism 101 - Berean Patriot
There are three major competing Greek sources to use for translating the New Testament: the Critical Text, the Majority Text, and the Textus Receptus. The science of assembling these manuscripts is called “Textual Criticism”, and you can consider this a complete Textual Criticism 101 article...www.bereanpatriot.com
Most English bibles are good to excellent. apart from the ones created by cults, the variations are more to do with trying to bring the English to more modern standards or taking archaic words and using the best modern equivalent.
That is interesting.
It seems that the scriptures of every religion were created just before the passing of the founders.
Thus creating a written document to replace the oral tradition.
If you don't trust the Christian Bible why are you in a Christian forum other than attacking the Bible?
Deborah_
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rvmb said:
Compare Gal 2:7 of ALL old Bibles KJV & before to many of the newer translations
What difference do you see ?
Hint OF versus TO & FOR - notice anything wrong ???
Compare Gal 2:7 of ALL old Bibles KJV & before to many of the newer translations
What difference do you see ?
Hint OF versus TO & FOR - notice anything wrong ???
Compare:
Lexical Summary ho, hé, to: the Original Word: ὁ, ἡ, τό Part of Speech: Definite Article Transliteration: ho, hé, to Pronunciation: ho, hay, to Phonetic Spelling: (ho) KJV: the, this, that, one, he, she, it, etc NASB: those, who, what, this, those who, which, whoever Word Origin: [the definite article] 1. the {sometimes to be supplied, at others omitted, in English idiom} Strong's Exhaustive Concordance the, this, that, one, he, she, it Including the feminine he (hay), and the neuter to (to) in all their inflections; the definite article; the (sometimes to be supplied, at others omitted, in English idiom) -- the, this, that, one, he, she, it, etc. NAS Exhaustive Concordance Word Origin the def. art. Definition the |
Deborah_
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How does this add to the discussion? Here is the verse in Greek, and the word is the definite article in the genitive case (= "of the"). No argument there.
But how do you translate it? It doesn't necessarily mean "of" in English, because our grammar is completely different to Greek grammar. Greek uses the genitive for many different purposes (my grammar book lists no fewer than 29!)
Now what could "the gospel of the uncircumcised" mean in English? Do they own it? No. Did they invent it? No. So "of" is not a good translation in this case (although it may well have been 400 years ago where the KJV was first published - the English language has changed in that time).
But there are 27 other options! And one of them is what the grammar book calls "the genitive of destination". Just as we can call a train "the London train" if it's going to London, the Greeks could say "the uncircumcised's gospel" to describe the gospel going to the uncircumcised.
If you're determined that it should be translated as "the gospel of the uncircumcised", please explain what you think that means, and in what way the meaning has been changed.
Ronald Nolette
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Only the Original canon Books of the scripture were inerrant and inspired , and that has been the protestant viewpoint until the coming of KJVOThis strikes at the origins of the Bible, the work of Bible translation, and doctrines about the English translations of the Bible.
- What do the origins of the Bible tell us? See link below.
- What does the work of Bible translation tell us? (Majority Text vs. Critical Text vs. Textus Receptus)
- Does the number of English translations indicate doctrinal bias?
- Does the history of English translations indicate doctrinal bias?
- Does English translation bias support inspiration? (every word)
- Does English translation bias support inerrancy? (every word)
Majority Text vs. Critical Text vs. Textus Receptus - Textual Criticism 101 - Berean Patriot
There are three major competing Greek sources to use for translating the New Testament: the Critical Text, the Majority Text, and the Textus Receptus. The science of assembling these manuscripts is called “Textual Criticism”, and you can consider this a complete Textual Criticism 101 article...
Not really.
This is a very helpful resource.
Majority Text vs. Critical Text vs. Textus Receptus - Textual Criticism 101 - Berean Patriot
There are three major competing Greek sources to use for translating the New Testament: the Critical Text, the Majority Text, and the Textus Receptus. The science of assembling these manuscripts is called “Textual Criticism”, and you can consider this a complete Textual Criticism 101 article...
www.bereanpatriot.com
Your response, were they the writings OF Deborah or the writings TO Deborah ?
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Deborah_
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If they originate from me then they can be said to be of me.
Are you saying, then, that "the gospel of the uncircumcised" came from the uncircumcised (i.e. pagan Gentiles)? Even though Paul says that it came from Jesus Himself, earlier in the letter to the Galatians? (Galatians 1:11,12) Do you really believe that Paul was preaching a gospel of pagan origin?
Leaving OF & TO out for now.
Paul's Gospel - Eph 1:13, 1 Cor 15:1-4
Peter's Gospel - Acts 2:38-45
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Gal 2:7-9
Peter taught the circ the circ Gospel - Acts 2:38-45
Paul taught the UNcirc the UNcirc Gospel - Eph 1:13, 1 Cor 15:1-4
Based on that, how would you word Gal 2:7 ?
Attachments
Jeremiah 31:31-34
“Behold, days are coming,” declares Yahweh, “when I will cut a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah, not like the covenant which I cut with their fathers in the day I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, but I was a husband to them,” declares Yahweh. “But this is the covenant which I will cut with the house of Israel after those days,” declares Yahweh: “I will put My law within them, and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. And they will not teach again, each man his neighbor and each man his brother, saying, ‘Know Yahweh,’ for they will all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them,” declares Yahweh, “for I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.”
James 3:13-18
Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom.
But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth.
This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish.
For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work.
But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.
And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace.
James 4:1-4
From whence come wars and fightings among you? come they not hence, even of your lusts that war in your members?
Ye lust, and have not: ye kill, and desire to have, and cannot obtain: ye fight and war, yet ye have not, because ye ask not.
Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts.
Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.
Or do you think that the Scripture speaks to no purpose: “He jealously desires the Spirit which He has made to dwell in us”?
“Behold, days are coming,” declares Yahweh, “when I will cut a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah, not like the covenant which I cut with their fathers in the day I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, but I was a husband to them,” declares Yahweh. “But this is the covenant which I will cut with the house of Israel after those days,” declares Yahweh: “I will put My law within them, and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. And they will not teach again, each man his neighbor and each man his brother, saying, ‘Know Yahweh,’ for they will all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them,” declares Yahweh, “for I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.”
James 3:13-18
Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom.
But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth.
This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish.
For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work.
But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.
And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace.
James 4:1-4
From whence come wars and fightings among you? come they not hence, even of your lusts that war in your members?
Ye lust, and have not: ye kill, and desire to have, and cannot obtain: ye fight and war, yet ye have not, because ye ask not.
Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts.
Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.
Or do you think that the Scripture speaks to no purpose: “He jealously desires the Spirit which He has made to dwell in us”?
The Mark of the Beast, cashless society, World Government, dead ahead.My preference has and continues to be , the sometimes hard to understand KJV and with good reason :)
These UNIQUE code patterns are found ONLY in the KJV
Here is just a VERY SMALL example :)
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Jesus said so.
If all your loved ones were threatened with torture then murder, would you take the mark to save them from that ?
I will trust what God promised.
Acts 16:31 Believe in the Lord Jesus and you'll be saved, you and your family.
