Are the personal sins of others, our business?

[Comm.Arnold]

Here's a pretty good place to find MANY English Bibles.

http://biblos.com/

That is a lot of bibles, it feels good to see that.

 

[Duckybill]

That is a lot of bibles, it feels good to see that.

Once you get used to using them it's a very nice way to study God's Word. Comparing verses is easy.

 

[FHII]

So fill us in.

And why wouldn't you ask questions that you don't know the answer?

Hilarious! Asking questions you already know the answer to, yet not Asking questions you don't know the answer to!

 

[aspen]

Obviously, our role in judging the World will occur in our Redeemed state. We will be without sin, with the ability to love perfectly - Paul doesn't elaborate on our role - perhaps we will be judging our own role in the World - who knows?

 

[Perspectives]

Will you ever love George Bush aspen? You should take your little quote down, it's so passe'. As to the judging topic, in Mat. 7:1 the word is rendered to distinguish, to decide, determine, call into question. As well as to condemn and damn. When the Word says call no man a fool (the fool says in his heart there is no God) it means don't attempt to pass eternal judgement as if one was trying to be God. That said, we all make judgements on a variety of things daily. If we don't distinguish between two or more things life will choose for us. An example of calling into question would be the work of an Apostle / Spiritual Father (much needed and often rejected). For the rest of us, pray, support and wait for direction.

 

[aspen]

Will you ever love George Bush aspen? You should take your little quote down, it's so passe'. As to the judging topic, in Mat. 7:1 the word is rendered to distinguish, to decide, determine, call into question. As well as to condemn and damn. When the Word says call no man a fool (the fool says in his heart there is no God) it means don't attempt to pass eternal judgement as if one was trying to be God. That said, we all make judgements on a variety of things daily. If we don't distinguish between two or more things life will choose for us. An example of calling into question would be the work of an Apostle / Spiritual Father (much needed and often rejected). For the rest of us, pray, support and wait for direction.

Actually, my quote is in honor of Ann Richards - she recently died. You are making a false distinction - we always need to rely on God's Word to make correct judgments in our own lives - not our neighbors. We lead by example. Obedience to God's Word speaks loudly - pointing out other people's faults is a waste of time - they feel contempt and we feel self-righteous - both reactions are harmful.

 

[Foreigner]

I think we must got to an often quoted (but not fully quoted) passage in Matthew 7:

Matthew 7:1-6
Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye. Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces.

I'd put this passage up as one of the most horribly quoted in the New Testament and probably the Bible as a whole.

Instead of saying, don't judge, the Bible is simply and clearing stating: don't be a hyprocrite about it! It's also giving advice that there are times where you don't waste the pearls (IE: the truth) by just pointing out a sin to an unbeliever. Oftentimes this is accomplished when we confess our own sins instead of going on the offensive to explain their sins to them.

I'd love to talk about this more at the moment, but I must run.

-- What you are saying is spot on.

If you are truly going to present the Gospel - as God has directed us to - you have to present the whole truth.

If you just speak of God's love, millions of people around the world will follow Him thinking that His love is all they need and they will not know that they need to turn away from their sin, let alone why.

You are correct in that one of the best way to introduce/cover the area of sin while sharing the Gospel is by personal witness and the confessing of the sins you had to repent from.

But if you say "Other Christians are all judging them so I am just going to love them" they will believe you are a better example of Christianity. You will be giving them the incorrect impression as to what is expected of them by God.


If your co-worker sincerely asks you questions about Christianity, but has admitted previously he is currently carrying on an affair with a married co-worker, you tell him about who God is and His love for them.

But according to those who preach "love only," if you mention that God sees the affair as a sin and would expect that he ends it, I am standing in judgement over this person.

Thankfully the person being witnessed to didn't think so and he is a Christian today.

You let them know ALL have sinned and fall short of the glory of God and ALL have to turn away from sin.
You let them know that applied to you and that you had to turn away as well or would have ended up in hell.
You let them know that God LOVES the sinner, but sees all sin the same:
- Adultery
- Theft
- Homosexuality
- Sex out of wedlock
- Love of self
- Love of money
- Assault
- Judging others

You are supposed to love all people whether you are witnessing to them or not.
If you think that loving them is the only witness God expects of you, though, you haven't read His Word.

God loved us enough to die for us....but he warned the people he loved about sin time and again.

According to the "love only" people here, He was doing it all wrong.



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[Perspectives]

Actually, my quote is in honor of Ann Richards - she recently died. You are making a false distinction - we always need to rely on God's Word to make correct judgments in our own lives - not our neighbors. We lead by example. Obedience to God's Word speaks loudly - pointing out other people's faults is a waste of time - they feel contempt and we feel self-righteous - both reactions are harmful.

Neighbors! Were did that come from?????

 

[aspen]

Love is the answer to sin. There is no other part to the story. The act of loving perfectly is turning away from sin.

Neighbors! Were did that come from?????

um....we are called to love our neighbors as ourselves - surely, you've heard of this?

I am using the word neighbor to describe all the people on Earth, besides you - just like Jesus did.

 

[Perspectives]

Love is the answer to sin. There is no other part to the story. The act of loving perfectly is turning away from sin.



um....we are called to love our neighbors as ourselves - surely, you've heard of this?

I am using the word neighbor to describe all the people on Earth, besides you - just like Jesus did.

Don't be mad aspie. You can't exclude anyone. Me or George Bush!

 

[aspen]

Don't be mad aspie. You can't exclude anyone. Me or George Bush!

Eesh....there is just noooo clearing things up for some people, is there? That was rhetorical, BTW

Bless you, Bush lover!

 

[Duckybill]

Love is the answer to sin. There is no other part to the story. The act of loving perfectly is turning away from sin.

True, but Jesus said those who love Him obey Him. Those who love Him forsake their sins.

 

[aspen]

True, but Jesus said those who love Him obey Him. Those who love Him forsake their sins.

Absolutely. Now you're getting it! Obeying Jesus is choosing to turn from sin, which is the same as choosing to love. Pick any sin and then pick the opposite behavior - it is always love.

 

[Duckybill]

Absolutely. Now you're getting it! Obeying Jesus is choosing to turn from sin, which is the same as choosing to love. Pick any sin and then pick the opposite behavior - it is always love.

Love cannot take the place of obedience/ the NT as you are saying.

 

[aspen]

Love cannot take the place of obedience/ the NT as you are saying.

Love is obedience.

 

[Duckybill]

Love is obedience.

That's what I have been saying.

 

[aspen]

That's what I have been saying.

Hmmm... then why are you dogging me? I am saying the exact same thing since I started posting.

 

[Duckybill]

Hmmm... then why are you dogging me? I am saying the exact same thing since I started posting.

I could ask the same, why are YOU dogging me?

 

[aspen]

I could ask the same, why are YOU dogging me?

you have got to be kidding.......you are asking me that question on a thread I started? You have been attempting to derail every thread I have posted on with your craziness - about Noah's Ark - it is plain to see, friend

 

[Duckybill]

you have got to be kidding.......you are asking me that question on a thread I started? You have been attempting to derail every thread I have posted on with your craziness - about Noah's Ark - it is plain to see, friend

Why are you paranoid about the Genesis Flood that is clearly Biblical doctrine??? It's fact Aspen. Accept the Bible or reject it. You cannot sit on the fence.