Are these two great contradictions of the Catholic Faith

[Scott Downey]

Romans 4

16 Therefore it is of faith that it might be according to grace, so that the promise might be [d]sure to all the seed, not only to those who are of the law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all 17 (as it is written, “I have made you a father of many nations”) in the presence of Him whom he believed—God, who gives life to the dead and calls those things which do not exist as though they did; 18 who, contrary to hope, in hope believed, so that he became the father of many nations, according to what was spoken, “So shall your descendants be.” 19 And not being weak in faith, he did not consider his own body, already dead (since he was about a hundred years old), and the deadness of Sarah’s womb. 20 He did not waver at the promise of God through unbelief, but was strengthened in faith, giving glory to God, 21 and being fully convinced that what He had promised He was also able to perform. 22 And therefore “it was accounted to him for righteousness.”

23 Now it was not written for his sake alone that it was imputed to him, 24 but also for us. It shall be imputed to us who believe in Him who raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead, 25 who was delivered up because of our offenses, and was raised because of our justification.

 

[Scott Downey]

Luke 1, Mary also believed the message from God and was blessed with righteousness by faith, her sins were not imputed to her either.

38 Then Mary said, “Behold the maidservant of the Lord! Let it be to me according to your word.” And the angel departed from her.

Mary Visits Elizabeth​

39 Now Mary arose in those days and went into the hill country with haste, to a city of Judah, 40 and entered the house of Zacharias and greeted Elizabeth. 41 And it happened, when Elizabeth heard the greeting of Mary, that the babe leaped in her womb; and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit. 42 Then she spoke out with a loud voice and said, “Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb! 43 But why is this granted to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? 44 For indeed, as soon as the voice of your greeting sounded in my ears, the babe leaped in my womb for joy. 45 Blessed is she who [h]believed, for there will be a fulfillment of those things which were told her from the Lord.”

 

[Scott Downey]

Thier is no record in scripture of the church venerating Mary. Mary was there with them, but there is little written about her. There are no Mariology doctrines, all that was added on to the scriptures.

 

[Scott Downey]

MARY NEEDED SAVING too, Mary acknowledges this in v47
If MARY was without sin, perfect and pure, she would not be a human being and she would not be saying this, the God is her savior.
Sinners need a savior.

Luke 1

The Song of Mary​

46 And Mary said:

“My soul [i]magnifies the Lord,
47 And my spirit has rejoiced in God my Savior.

48 For He has regarded the lowly state of His maidservant;
For behold, henceforth all generations will call me blessed.
49 For He who is mighty has done great things for me,
And holy is His name.
50 And His mercy is on those who fear Him
From generation to generation.
51 He has shown strength with His arm;
He has scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts.
52 He has put down the mighty from their thrones,
And exalted the lowly.
53 He has filled the hungry with good things,
And the rich He has sent away empty.
54 He has helped His servant Israel,
In remembrance of His mercy,
55 As He spoke to our fathers,
To Abraham and to his seed forever.”
56 And Mary remained with her about three months, and returned to her house.

 

[Behold]

The MaryCult is a Pagan Religious derivative of "Goddess Diana" Worship.

The "Goddess Diana" had the title "Perpetual Virgin" and "Queen of Heaven" long before the MaryCult adopted it for their Religion.
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[nedsk]

Noah also found favor with God as did Abraham, were they also sinless?
They were forgiven and blessed, same as Mary. Their sin was not imputed to them. They God considered righteous apart from works.

Romans 4

Abraham Justified by Faith​

1 What then shall we say that Abraham our father[a] has found according to the flesh? 2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. 3 For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was [b]accounted to him for righteousness.” 4 Now to him who works, the wages are not counted [c]as grace but as debt.

David Celebrates the Same Truth​

5 But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness, 6 just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works:

7 “Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven,
And whose sins are covered;
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord shall not impute sin.”

Noah and Abraham were not the mother of Jesus. Mary was conceived and born free from sin.

As to works they don't save but without then you can't be. Works are necessary but not sufficient for salvation.

 

[Scott Downey]

Noah and Abraham were not the mother of Jesus. Mary was conceived and born free from sin.

As to works they don't save but without then you can't be. Works are necessary but not sufficient for salvation.

46 And Mary said:

“My soul [i]magnifies the Lord,
47 And my spirit has rejoiced in God my Savior.

Mary needed a savior, just like any other sinner.
Sinners sin, and all have sinned.
The only perfect One was Christ, Christ did not need a Savior, He is the Savior.
Does God need saving? No. But all men need a savior.


1 Timothy 4:10
For to this end we both labor and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of those who believe.

 

[Dash RipRock]

Mary was conceived and born free from sin.

Chapter and verse for this claim?

 

[nedsk]

46 And Mary said:

“My soul [i]magnifies the Lord,
47 And my spirit has rejoiced in God my Savior.

Mary needed a savior, just like any other sinner.
Sinners sin, and all have sinned.
The only perfect One was Christ, Christ did not need a Savior, He is the Savior.
Does God need saving? No. But all men need a savior.


1 Timothy 4:10
For to this end we both labor and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of those who believe.

Mary was saved from sin. By who? God just like the rest of us.

 

[Dash RipRock]

46 And Mary said:

“My soul [i]magnifies the Lord,
47 And my spirit has rejoiced in God my Savior.

Mary needed a savior, just like any other sinner.
Sinners sin, and all have sinned.
The only perfect One was Christ, Christ did not need a Savior, He is the Savior.
Does God need saving? No. But all men need a savior.


1 Timothy 4:10
For to this end we both labor and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of those who believe.

PROOF that Mary was not actually conceived and born free from sin, thank you.

Now all ya gotta do is post where this can be found in the Bible.

 

[nedsk]

Chapter and verse for this claim?

Chapter and verse for the claim that the Bible is the sole rule of faith. Please don't waste my time with, Scripture is profitable.

 

[Scott Downey]

Mary was saved from sin. By who? God just like the rest of us.

Mary recognized through the Holy Spirit that she needed a Savior, and interesting that the Savior of the world would be her own child.
She put her trust in God and Christ.

The sword pierced her own heart as well, Christ died on a cross so that Mary and us as well would not perish.

Luke 2
34 Then Simeon blessed them, and said to Mary His mother, “Behold, this Child is destined for the fall and rising of many in Israel, and for a sign which will be spoken against 35 (yes, a sword will pierce through your own soul also), that the thoughts of many hearts may be revealed.”


John 3
14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 that whoever believes in Him should [c]not perish but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.

18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed. 21 But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God.”

 

[Dash RipRock]

So in other words there is no scriptural evidence that Mary was sinless, got it.

 

[Dash RipRock]

If Mary was actually sinless, she would not need the grace of God for anything.

Mary refers to God as her "Savior." When Gabriel first appeared, he described Mary—very specifically, in Greek grammar—as a recipient of God's grace (Luke 1:28). False belief and poor translation have suggested Mary was "full of grace" and that she passes along grace to others. For her part, Mary clearly understood she was a sinner in need of salvation (Psalm 35:9). Her song of praise declares what God does, and how He saves, without suggesting that she is an active part in that process.

In Luke 1:34 we see Mary questioning what the Angel of the Lord had told her which is not something someone would do if they were in fact sinless.

Luke 1:46,47 And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord, And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Savior which is not something a sinless person would say because if there were sinless they would not need a Savior if they had never committed any sin.

In Luke 1:46,47 we see Mary acknowledging she needs a Savior which is something a sinless person would not be acknowledging

In Luke 2:41-52, Mary was unaware Jesus was not in their group travelling back from Jerusalem reflecting poor motherhood skills in that she did not verify where her Son was when they started their journey home which is not an error a sinless mother would be making (verses 43,44,45)

What good mother would not make sure her young son was present and accounted for before packing up to go home???

In verse 48 Mary is accusing the Son of God of wrongdoing which is not an error a sinless mother would be making.

Clearly Mary’s actions in these situations demonstrate that she did make some errors showing that she was not sinless as someone who is without sin would not be making errors and doing things that were sinful as Mary had done.

Jesus is the only person ever born in to a flesh body on earth that made ZERO errors and Who never once sinned. Period!