Are You a Carnal Christian?

[Reggie Belafonte]

No, a nominal Christian is not the same as a carnal Christian.

An overly-spiritualized Christian is one who says you should stay warm and eat well but not actually do anything to help the person do that. Therefore, a nominal Christian is more akin to an overly-spiritualized Christian who says they believe in good things but don't lift a finger to make it happen.

How a nominal Christian differs from an overly-spiritualized Christian, is they limit their involvement of Christianity to cultural events, like showing up to church on Christmas and Easter and call themselves a Christian but that identity does not affect their life in any meaningful way as to be distinguishable from heathens.

A carnal Christian will get his hands dirty in giving a helping hand. Maybe sweat and frequently need forgiveness. I've been told by a Pastor that if you are not failing to reflect Christ in losing your patience, getting angry, saying things that are out of line, then you aren't trying hard enough. The overly-spiritualized Christian is above it all; they say the right things but do little if anything in practice to help the body of Christ, the down trodden.

One has a spirit or spirits ?
But one who has the Holy Spirit is not the one like one who has a spirit or spirits.

Then we have the Carnal Church goer or one who claimes to be a Christian ? who may know things, but is at a loss in regards the Holy Spirit ! but is barking on about Religion ? The thing is that Religion never Saved anyones Soul !

I had a mate who looked to Christianity as just a ends to control people ? now the Idiot claimes to be a Christian ? when he is clearly not at all, but still the same old idiot ! that is using such for himself and only serving his own ends ! he does not believe in Jesus and demands that when he sees him then he will believe.
He chose Christianity over Islam or Judaism altho he clearly idolises the type of Jews who love to rip people off ? he also idolises the Dalailama. I told him that the Lama was crap ! and he blew his top directly and got real angery and did not want to listen to a word I said in such regard.
I said that they are leading people astray ! and that people do not have the understanding to know they are in fact lost !

So we have many of the worst people within the Church ? causing trouble if anyone preaches Christ Jesus ! for they truly get offened in fact ! and some of the wealthy in the Church will get the Priest who are worthy of Christ Jesus, kicked out in fact ! for they want only a lukewarm church. and that's why the Churches have failed so badly ! because it's like a Church that is asleep at the wheel ! borring as. no one with any real get up and go at all ! Nothing inspiring.

But let me tell you all, That Christ Jesus is truly inspiring totaly ! If you are not on Fire for Christ Jesus ! one is clearly not Saved.

 

[GodsGrace]

a nominal christain would not have s urvived nominal in the presence
of the early church .
Meaning they had been corrected and right quickly too .
At which p oint either they would have left or repented .
THis allowance of not correcting under banner that it is judging
Has literally destroyed many a church from within .
AND i aint talking numbers either . In those churches they swell
but under what .........................Cause it aint GOD .
The truth is no person sits in a place that does not make them feel good .
The question is what makes a soul feel good . IS IT THE TRUTH OF GOD , or the twisted dung of men .
THAT BE THE QUESTION my friend .
As for the sheep , ITS ONLY at peace and at rest and filled and fullfilled BY THE TRUTH .
Dung doctrine leaves it real empty .
SO we better real quickly start examining ourselves and what it is we been loving all along .
May i suggest , YET AGAIN , bible time in the house .

Sorry for delay.
Christmas cooking!

I'd have to say that we cannot judge the soul of a person ...
however we are told to judge the morals of a person....


Here:
John 7:24
24Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgment.”

This corresponds to what Jesus says here:


Matthew 7:1
1“Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you.


We must not judge harshley or with mal intent, but with the goal to bring the person back to God....

Paul states this in

Galatians 6.1
1Brothers, if anyone is caught in any transgression, you who are spiritual should restore him in a spirit of gentleness.

 

[LoveYeshua]

I reject the NKJV. I have the AKJV. and have no regard for the NKJV and other new age nonsense trash versions. that's clealy a loss of clarity.

As in, What shall we rule over ? I would think that we should not rule over anything ! bar for Grace ? that is that, that is truly over all ?

In the Devils Advocate Show, I think he is the one who says about, to Rule over ! I have too have another look see.

I would clearly think that One has to master it ! because, how can we Rule over it ? I think that if we were to try and Rule over such, then we would become one with the Devil ? It's that tricky in fact !
Dealing with the Devil is very tricky possition. so is dealing with Anti-Christ !

One may over come such ? I believe the Bible points to such.
But never could one truly Rule over it ?

Such as Sin crouches at you door ? see, so it's ever pressent ?
In the Show, we see that the son over came such but then again his dad ? was happy in the end, for his son lost grip on the subject and came back into Play once again. and was laughing again.

Watch the Show. and you will see just how nice the Devils Advocate comes across ?

The mistake here comes from changing who the verse is talking about.

Genesis 4:7 is not saying that a person should rule over Satan, become one with the devil, or take the devil’s place. That idea is not in the text at all.

God is speaking to Cain about Cain.

The verse says that sin is at the door. Sin is not Satan himself. Sin is the desire and pull inside Cain’s own heart. God is warning Cain before he acts.

When God says, “you shall rule over it,” He means Cain must rule over his own sinful desire, not rule over a being, not rule over the devil, and not replace God’s authority.

This idea already appears earlier in Scripture. In Genesis 1, humans are told to rule over their actions and choices under God. This is about self-control, not power, and not domination.

“Rule over it” does not mean joining with sin. It means not letting sin rule you.

The NKJV does not switch the self with Satan. That is an interpretation being added from outside the verse. The subject never changes. The verse stays focused on Cain’s responsibility.

“Master it” and “rule over it” point to the same truth:
Sin wants to control you, but you must not let it.

Jesus later teaches the same thing in simpler words. A person is judged by what comes from the heart. Temptation does not force sin. Choice matters.

The confusion happens when ideas from movies, shows, or symbolic stories are mixed into Scripture. The Bible is not talking about the devil playing games. It is talking about a man being warned before he does evil.

So the real message of Genesis 4:7 is this:
Sin is close. It is real. But you are responsible for your choice. Do not let it rule you.

That is not dangerous teaching. It is a warning meant to save Cain, not condemn him.



American KJV (AKJV) or authorized KJV? also (AKJV)

Authorized King James Version (AKJV)​

"If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him."

American King James Version​

"If you do well, shall you not be accepted? And if you do not do well, sin lies at the door. And unto you shall be his desire, and you shall rule over him."

Here is Genesis 4:7 in the original Hebrew, along with a word-by-word transliteration and translation:

Hebrew Text​

יֵשׁ-לְךָ אֵת אֶת-לְךָ טוֹב: וְאִם-לֹא טוֹב הַעֲשֶׂיךָ, בֵּין-דָּל :] וְאֵלֶיךָ תְּשׁוּקָתוֹ, וְאַתָּה תִּמְשָׁל-בּוֹ"

Word-by-Word Breakdown​

HEBREW	TRANSLITERATION	LITERAL TRANSLATION
אִם	Im	If
תַּעֲשֶׂה	Ta'aseh	you do
אֵת	Et	well
טוֹב	Tov	good
לֹא	Lo	not
טוֹב	Tov	good
הַעֲשֶׂיךָ	Ha'aseichah	what you have done
בֵּין	Bein	at the door
דָּל	Dal	sin
שָׁם	Sham	lies
וְאֵלֶיךָ	Ve'eleicha	and unto you
תְּשׁוּקָתוֹ	Teshuqato	shall be his desire
וְאַתָּה	Ve' ATAH	and you
תִּמְשָׁל	Timshal	shall rule
-בּוֹ	-Bo	over him

 

[amigo de christo]

Sorry for delay.
Christmas cooking!

I'd have to say that we cannot judge the soul of a person ...
however we are told to judge the morals of a person....


Here:
John 7:24
24Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgment.”

This corresponds to what Jesus says here:


Matthew 7:1
1“Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you.


We must not judge harshley or with mal intent, but with the goal to bring the person back to God....

Paul states this in

Galatians 6.1
1Brothers, if anyone is caught in any transgression, you who are spiritual should restore him in a spirit of gentleness.

The goal is always about what is good for the peoples . Yes .
We simply put out of the church those who are in sin and wont repent .
GOD will judge those who are outside . Our duty is to judge those within , desiring their repentance
and to keep the others safe from leaven .
The goal is about the restoration of the soul back to GOD and doing what is right in his sight .
That is why we do as we do . For we desire none to perish .
But yes at times they rebuked sharply , not with maliscious intent , but for the good of the people
that others might also fear . Whatever we do IT must Honor GOD first and foremost .
In fact if we take notice everything that is honoring to GOD , IS ACTUALLY GOOD for us as well .
Aint that something . So the key is to also always keep on the m ind
IF what a person does or says Dishonors GOD it must instantly be corrected when it is seen .
Sin never works to the good of any one . SO we should be focusing on what is pleasing TO GOD
and not at all what is pleasing to man . For what is pleasing to man is NOT pleasing to GOD .
Our duty is for the good of this people and not their destruction .
And allowing sin upon anyone is not for their good and in fact its known as hate .
YE shall not hate your neighbor . As we all agree with that . YE shalll not hate your neighbor
in your heart , you shall in any way rebuke him and NOT allow sin upon Him .
We simply do so from a heart that desires good for them and not their destruction .
But that do include putting them out . s orrowing to repentance is the goal .

 

[GodsGrace]

I reject the NKJV. I have the AKJV. and have no regard for the NKJV and other new age nonsense trash versions. that's clealy a loss of clarity.

As in, What shall we rule over ? I would think that we should not rule over anything ! bar for Grace ? that is that, that is truly over all ?

In the Devils Advocate Show, I think he is the one who says about, to Rule over ! I have too have another look see.

I would clearly think that One has to master it ! because, how can we Rule over it ? I think that if we were to try and Rule over such, then we would become one with the Devil ? It's that tricky in fact !
Dealing with the Devil is very tricky possition. so is dealing with Anti-Christ !

One may over come such ? I believe the Bible points to such.
But never could one truly Rule over it ?

Such as Sin crouches at you door ? see, so it's ever pressent ?
In the Show, we see that the son over came such but then again his dad ? was happy in the end, for his son lost grip on the subject and came back into Play once again. and was laughing again.

Watch the Show. and you will see just how nice the Devils Advocate comes across ?

Reggie...
I'll let @LoveYeshua speak for himself...

I just want to say that I believe
RULE OVER
and
MASTER
means the same.

If you rule over something...you master it.
No?

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

Reggie...
I'll let @LoveYeshua speak for himself...

I just want to say that I believe
RULE OVER
and
MASTER
means the same.

If you rule over something...you master it.
No?

Can I rule over you ? Hell No !

Would a Christian want to rule over anyone ? Hell No ! What Christ wanted was to bring others up with Him for the good of all !

I see it as a Slave that is one who is ruled over.

I am making a Ruleing ? No I do not want to make demands like that ? I want others to be lifted up to Grace. that way we need no need for big bro.

To Master something is worthy of an art form ? Like in regards the Law in the NT is under Grace !

To rule over something could just be domination. Like the Law in regards the OT ! that's how it was dished out, Cold !

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

The mistake here comes from changing who the verse is talking about.

Genesis 4:7 is not saying that a person should rule over Satan, become one with the devil, or take the devil’s place. That idea is not in the text at all.

God is speaking to Cain about Cain.

The verse says that sin is at the door. Sin is not Satan himself. Sin is the desire and pull inside Cain’s own heart. God is warning Cain before he acts.

When God says, “you shall rule over it,” He means Cain must rule over his own sinful desire, not rule over a being, not rule over the devil, and not replace God’s authority.

This idea already appears earlier in Scripture. In Genesis 1, humans are told to rule over their actions and choices under God. This is about self-control, not power, and not domination.

“Rule over it” does not mean joining with sin. It means not letting sin rule you.

The NKJV does not switch the self with Satan. That is an interpretation being added from outside the verse. The subject never changes. The verse stays focused on Cain’s responsibility.

“Master it” and “rule over it” point to the same truth:
Sin wants to control you, but you must not let it.

Jesus later teaches the same thing in simpler words. A person is judged by what comes from the heart. Temptation does not force sin. Choice matters.

The confusion happens when ideas from movies, shows, or symbolic stories are mixed into Scripture. The Bible is not talking about the devil playing games. It is talking about a man being warned before he does evil.

So the real message of Genesis 4:7 is this:
Sin is close. It is real. But you are responsible for your choice. Do not let it rule you.

That is not dangerous teaching. It is a warning meant to save Cain, not condemn him.



American KJV (AKJV) or authorized KJV? also (AKJV)

Authorized King James Version (AKJV)​

"If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him."

American King James Version​

"If you do well, shall you not be accepted? And if you do not do well, sin lies at the door. And unto you shall be his desire, and you shall rule over him."

Here is Genesis 4:7 in the original Hebrew, along with a word-by-word transliteration and translation:

Hebrew Text​

יֵשׁ-לְךָ אֵת אֶת-לְךָ טוֹב: וְאִם-לֹא טוֹב הַעֲשֶׂיךָ, בֵּין-דָּל :] וְאֵלֶיךָ תְּשׁוּקָתוֹ, וְאַתָּה תִּמְשָׁל-בּוֹ"

Word-by-Word Breakdown​

HEBREW	TRANSLITERATION	LITERAL TRANSLATION
אִם	Im	If
תַּעֲשֶׂה	Ta'aseh	you do
אֵת	Et	well
טוֹב	Tov	good
לֹא	Lo	not
טוֹב	Tov	good
הַעֲשֶׂיךָ	Ha'aseichah	what you have done
בֵּין	Bein	at the door
דָּל	Dal	sin
שָׁם	Sham	lies
וְאֵלֶיךָ	Ve'eleicha	and unto you
תְּשׁוּקָתוֹ	Teshuqato	shall be his desire
וְאַתָּה	Ve' ATAH	and you
תִּמְשָׁל	Timshal	shall rule
-בּוֹ	-Bo	over him

You is right the AKJV does say, shalt rule over him.
but Should can be used in regards shalt.

I misplaced my AKJV and just found it. as I had did a clean up.

But the Bible I looked up was my 1953 Catholic Action Edition. 4:7 it says, If you do well. will you not be accepted; but if you do not do well, will not sin crouch at the door ! It's desire is for you, but you must master it.

It's in regards 4:6 Why are you angery and why are you down cast.

The point I have to make in regards, Him ? and It ?
Who is Master over the Devil himself ?
But can we master over the Devil himself ? we do not own him ? we can only master such as it ?
Seriously that's why I have to point such out. As did Jesus rule over the Devil when he was speaking to him ? No ! Jesus only exposed him for who the Devil truly is. For the Devil still rules this world ! that's why Jesus said, This world is full of delusions and deceptions.

 

[GodsGrace]

No, a nominal Christian is not the same as a carnal Christian.

An overly-spiritualized Christian is one who says you should stay warm and eat well but not actually do anything to help the person do that. Therefore, a nominal Christian is more akin to an overly-spiritualized Christian who says they believe in good things but don't lift a finger to make it happen.

I'd say that an overly spiritualized Christian is neither a nominal Christian or a Carnal Christian.

I THINK what you're speaking of is a Christian that believes "works" or good deeds are not necessary for salvation.
I meet a lot of these here on these threads.

Maybe we could call them Workless Christians??
The current term is Faith Only.

IOW all one needs is faith.
If the next door neighbor is hungry - too bad.

How a nominal Christian differs from an overly-spiritualized Christian, is they limit their involvement of Christianity to cultural events, like showing up to church on Christmas and Easter and call themselves a Christian but that identity does not affect their life in any meaningful way as to be distinguishable from heathens.

Yes. You're changing the terms.

To ME:
A nominal Christian is what you've stated. They participate in rituals, they might be saved (no way to be sure -we're not God)...IOW...they are just barely Christian.

A carnal Christian is a Christian that is still operating under "the flesh", or "the sin nature", or "the world".
I believe a carnal christian is a contradiction in terms....
one cannot be carnal
and
be a christian.

A carnal Christian will get his hands dirty in giving a helping hand. Maybe sweat and frequently need forgiveness. I've been told by a Pastor that if you are not failing to reflect Christ in losing your patience, getting angry, saying things that are out of line, then you aren't trying hard enough. The overly-spiritualized Christian is above it all; they say the right things but do little if anything in practice to help the body of Christ, the down trodden.

The second person in your paragraph, to me, sounds like a faith only Christian.

The person at the beginning of your paragraph is a type of christian that sounds like he's doing his best....which would be neither a nominal Christian or a carnal Christian.
(or I didn't understand).

 

[GodsGrace]

Can I rule over you ? Hell No !

Would a Christian want to rule over anyone ? Hell No ! What Christ wanted was to bring others up with Him for the good of all !

I see it as a Slave that is one who is ruled over.

I am making a Ruleing ? No I do not want to make demands like that ? I want others to be lifted up to Grace. that way we need no need for big bro.

To Master something is worthy of an art form ? Like in regards the Law in the NT is under Grace !

To rule over something could just be domination. Like the Law in regards the OT ! that's how it was dished out, Cold !

Reggie,
I think we have a language problem here.

If you rule over something it's the same as mastering it.
It means you have control over it.

Let's look at the verses again:

Genesis 4:7
7 "If you do well, will not your countenance be lifted up? And if you do not do well, sin is crouching at the door; and its desire is for you, but you must master it."

It says that SIN is crouching at the door and you must master it.
It just means that you must TAKE CONTROL over the sin.

Don't you think this is a good thing?
It's saying that we must control whether we sin or not...

we should not let sin control us.

It refers back to what Paul said here.

Romans 6:16
16 Do you not know that when you present yourselves to someone as slaves for obedience, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin resulting in death, or of obedience resulting in righteousness?


If we present ourselves to God we will be slaves to God.
If we present ourselves to satan we will be slaves of satan.

Don't we have the ability to decide TO WHOM we will present oursleves?

The verse is not saying that we will master satan or rule over satan...
it's saying that we will master/rule over/control our SIN NATURE.

It means that we can control whether or not we sin....
Not fully and not in every case...
but we certainly have control and we are not FORCED to do as satan would have us to do.
We are not to be his slave.

 

[Wrangler]

Can I rule over you ? Hell No !

Would a Christian want to rule over anyone ? Hell No !

Reggie, I don't know where you are coming from. Christians rule over others and have done so since Rome adopted Christianity as the State sponsored religion. The Bible recognizes 4 Earthly authorities.

1. Parents
2. Boss (master)
3. Civil Authority (lawmakers, police, etc)
4. Clergy on theological matters pertaining to the law of Moses, etc.

Perhaps our feminized society shies away from anyone asserting authority over others, bragging about it or what not. Nevertheless, hierarchy is Biblical (1 Cor 11:3) and remains our cultural norm.

 

[Wrangler]

I THINK what you're speaking of is a Christian that believes "works" or good deeds are not necessary for salvation.

A carnal Christian believes one must do good work BECAUSE we are saved (not as a means to obtain salvation). The motivation is totally different.

IOW all one needs is faith.
If the next door neighbor is hungry - too bad.

The overly-spiritualized Christian don't know if they're better off being ruled by Atheists or Satanists in this word rather than Christians. The overly-spiritualized are hyper-grace and take no responsibility for justice in this world. Sure, they'll pray that their neighbor gets food or justice be done but won't lift a practical finger to make it happen.

Yes. You're changing the terms.

I'm clarifying the terms.

I believe a carnal christian is a contradiction in terms.

That's because your terms are incorrect. That's why I use the term soulful. The overly-spiritualized falsely hold all things of the body are fleshy and sinful. Because your terms are incorrect, the question of the thread is invalid. I am a soulful Christian and repudiate the overly-spiritualized Christian. That is the contrast. See thread on the reasons for the Crusades.

 

[LoveYeshua]

You is right the AKJV does say, shalt rule over him.
but Should can be used in regards shalt.

I misplaced my AKJV and just found it. as I had did a clean up.

But the Bible I looked up was my 1953 Catholic Action Edition. 4:7 it says, If you do well. will you not be accepted; but if you do not do well, will not sin crouch at the door ! It's desire is for you, but you must master it.

It's in regards 4:6 Why are you angery and why are you down cast.

The point I have to make in regards, Him ? and It ?
Who is Master over the Devil himself ?
But can we master over the Devil himself ? we do not own him ? we can only master such as it ?
Seriously that's why I have to point such out. As did Jesus rule over the Devil when he was speaking to him ? No ! Jesus only exposed him for who the Devil truly is. For the Devil still rules this world ! that's why Jesus said, This world is full of delusions and deceptions.

No one can master the devil, except God and he shall do so at the proper time so do not try, these verses mean for you to master your own emotions, sinful desires and not satan.

to master your own emotions, sinful desires is difficult, it is Why GOD/Jesus promised to send us the Holy Spirit to help.

 

[Lambano]

to master your own emotions, sinful desires is difficult, it is Why GOD/Jesus promised to send us the Holy Spirit to help.

When I see some of the interactions between Christians on this forum and in real life, I have to ask, "Why isn't it working like that? Why aren't we mastering our own egos and desires? Where is the Holy Spirit in all this?"

 

[Wrangler]

When I see some of the interactions between Christians on this forum and in real life, I have to ask, "Why isn't it working like that? Why aren't we mastering our own egos and desires? Where is the Holy Spirit in all this?"

It reminds me of a quote I've recently heard and become fond of:

In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. But in practice, there is!​

We have high ideals and it is likely some - as you observed - won't live up to them in practice. As a young man, I became aware of the young women around me who were master's of (self) deception. They did many vile things but couched them as being nice to others. One example is cheating and other manifestations of not sticking to their commitments. They had no sympathy for the wronged party. They had sympathy for the one who tempted them. And then they used their own feelings of guilt to try to manipulate all who would listen that they are the victims. <sigh>

They were evil but to listen to the tell it, they are do-gooders and appealed to their own ignorance for absolution, e.g., "I didn't know what to do" (so I gave into sin, which makes me an innocent victim). They say with tears in their eyes spoken so convincingly.

 

[LoveYeshua]

When I see some of the interactions between Christians on this forum and in real life, I have to ask, "Why isn't it working like that? Why aren't we mastering our own egos and desires? Where is the Holy Spirit in all this?"

good question, scripture does show that God gives different measures of the Holy Spirit, and it also explains why He does this. Jesus Himself tells us something very important about this.
John 3:34
“For He whom God has sent speaks the words of God, for God does not give the Spirit by measure.”
This verse is speaking about Jesus. God gave the Spirit to Him without measure, meaning without limit. Jesus received the fullness because He is the Son, sent to reveal the Father completely.

For everyone else, Scripture shows that the Spirit is given in measure, not all in the same way or amount.

Jesus said that the Father gives the Spirit to those who ask Him.

Luke 11:13
“If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him!”

This shows the Spirit is a gift, not something we control. God gives, and He decides how much. In the Old Testament, we clearly see God giving portions of His Spirit for specific purposes.

Numbers 11:25
“Then the LORD came down in the cloud, and spoke to him, and took of the Spirit that was upon him, and placed the same upon the seventy elders.”

The prophet Joel also speaks about God pouring out His Spirit.

Joel 2:28
“I will pour out My Spirit on all flesh; your sons and your daughters shall prophesy…”

Peter later confirms this happened, showing that not everyone received the Spirit in the same way, but all received according to God’s will.

Acts 2:17
“I will pour out of My Spirit on all flesh.”

Notice the words “of My Spirit”. This means a portion, not the full measure that belongs only to Christ.

Jesus also explained why the measure is different.

Luke 16:10
“He who is faithful in what is least is faithful also in much.”

God gives more responsibility, more power, and more of His Spirit to those who are faithful with what they already have. The measure grows with obedience, humility, and faithfulness.

Jesus also taught this truth in the parable of the talents.

Matthew 25:29
“For to everyone who has, more will be given, and he will have abundance.”

This applies not only to work and responsibility, but also to spiritual gifts and the Spirit’s work in a person’s life.

So the reason God gives different measures is simple. Jesus received the Spirit without limit because He is the Son.
Others receive the Spirit according to God’s purpose, their calling, their faithfulness, and their obedience.
God gives enough for what He is asking that person to do, not more and not less.

Everything comes from God’s wisdom, not from human effort, and always points back to Christ.

Blessings

 

[Lambano]

It reminds me of a quote I've recently heard and become fond of:
In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. But in practice, there is!

That quote is worth the price of admission.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

I'm of the opinion that there's no such person as a Carnal Christian.

There is no such thing as a carnal Christian

Romans 8:6
to be carnally minded is death

The carnal minded are separated from God which is the death spoken of in Romans 8:6

Claiming one can be a carnal Christian (code for living in sinful behavior while claiming to still be in right standing with the Lord) is heresy that came out of so called reformed theology that the OSAS people often parrot.

 

[GodsGrace]

There is no such thing as a carnal Christian

Romans 8:6
to be carnally minded is death

The carnal minded are separated from God which is the death spoken of in Romans 8:6

Claiming one can be a carnal Christian (code for living in sinful behavior while claiming to still be in right standing with the Lord) is heresy that came out of so called reformed theology that the OSAS people often parrot.

I agree.
I've stated that a carnal Christian is a contradiction in terms.

Your verse
Romans 8:6
6 For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace,


Correct....carnal means of the flesh.
I also posted verses stating that we are to walk in the spirit and not in the flesh.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

I also posted verses stating that we are to walk in the spirit and not in the flesh.

That's the dividing line between those in right standing with the Lord and those NOT in right standing with the Lord

Romans 8:1
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Romans 8:13
For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

 

[GodsGrace]

That's the dividing line between those in right standing with the Lord and those NOT in right standing with the Lord

Romans 8:1
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Romans 8:13
For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

Yes sir.
There are plenty of veses to support the idea that a carnal christian is not a Christian.

Some are of the idea that we are all carnal Christians at the time of becoming born again.

I'd say that they're conflating sinning with being carnal.

It's the sinning that will wane and become ever less...
and for some it's immediate.

But being carnal means being of the world...
and a Christian cannot be of the world.