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The one twisting with a sleight of hand is you-

I'll use a Bible , for you.

Listen..

You wrote that "paul had not arrived"... and you are trying to connect that nonsense to : "that which i dont want to do, i do".

See that?
That is the typical...>"I dont understand the Grace of God", (and everyone who doesn't, always posts that same verse and the other that says that Paul has not arrived....
This type of confused person is trying to prove that Christianity is a hopeless mess, and all we can do, is "sin, repent, repeat".

And that is not Christianity...

Now let me show you what Paul didnt attain to, so that you can see what the Apostle actually wrote.

Philippians 3:11....."""and so, somehow, attaining to the RESURRECTION from the dead.""""

and now the next verse @Johann, that you've never read..

Paul says... Phil 3:12......"""""Not that I have already OBTAINED all this,""""

See that?

Paul is talking about not obtaining to the Resurrection , and All The Apostles were looking for it.....not just Paul.
 
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Johann, has definite issues with Grace, and that is why He always tries to find some verse that talks about works, or effort or sin, or performance.
You find this also with Episkopos.


Romans 7.....Verse 6 = '"""""""But now we.. (the born again).. are delivered from the law,"""""

How..????

1.) "Christ is the END.. OF.. THE .. LAW, for RIGHTEOUSNESS = for everyone who BELIEVES"..

2.) The Born again are "NOT UNDER THE LAW....but under Grace""
You should go on ignore-pronto-slandering the brethren by playing the devil's advocate.
 

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You should go on ignore-pronto-slandering the brethren by playing the devil's advocate.

"sticks and stones" little one. @Johann

Now go back and read the verses i showed you, and stop trying to teach that Christianity is "sin, repent, .. repeat.""

See, Paul teaches its this..

A.) "Christ ALWAYS = Gives me the VICTORY">.. over the world, the flesh, and the Devil.
 

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I'll use a Bible , for you.

Listen..

You wrote that "paul had not arrived"... and you are trying to connect that nonsense to : "that which i dont want to do, i do".

See that?
That is the typical...>"I dont understand the Grace of God", (and everyone who doesn't, always posts that same verse and the other that says that Paul has not arrived....
This type of confused person is trying to prove that Christianity is a hopeless mess, and all we can do, is "sin, repent, repeat".

And that is not Christianity...

Now let me show you what Paul didnt attain to, so that you can see what the Apostle actually wrote.

Philippians 3:11....."""and so, somehow, attaining to the RESURRECTION from the dead.""""

and now the next verse @Johann, that you've never read..

Paul says... Phil 3:12......"""""Not that I have already OBTAINED all this,""""

See that?

Paul is talking about not obtaining to the Resurrection , and All The Apostles were looking for it.....not just Paul.
Do me a favor and get lost-next time on ignore you go.


Php 3:12 Not that I have already received this , [*Here the direct object is supplied from context in the English translation] or have already been made perfect, but I press on if indeed I may lay hold of that for which also I was laid hold of by Christ. [Some manuscripts have “Christ Jesus”]
Php 3:13 Brothers, I do not consider myself to have laid hold of it . [*Here the direct object is supplied from context in the English translation] But I do one thing , forgetting the things behind and straining toward the things ahead,
Php 3:14 I press on toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus.


In Philippians 3:12-14, the apostle Paul provides insight into his own spiritual journey and mindset, offering encouragement and exhortation to the Philippian believers.

Context:
Background:
Paul is writing to the Philippian church from prison, expressing his joy in the Lord despite his circumstances and encouraging the Philippian believers to stand firm in their faith amidst persecution and opposition.

Main Themes:

Righteousness through Christ: Paul emphasizes the surpassing value of knowing Christ and the righteousness that comes through faith in Him, contrasting it with reliance on religious rituals or human achievement.

Pressing Toward the Goal: Paul uses athletic imagery to convey the idea of spiritual striving and perseverance. He sees his Christian life as a race, pressing forward toward the goal of knowing Christ fully and experiencing the resurrection.
Verse Breakdown:
Philippians 3:12:

Paul acknowledges that he has not yet attained the fullness of spiritual maturity or perfection. Despite his remarkable achievements and experiences as an apostle, he recognizes that there is still room for growth in his relationship with Christ. He expresses his determination to press on toward the goal for which Christ laid hold of him.

Philippians 3:13:
Here, Paul reiterates his acknowledgment of his own spiritual journey. He admits that he has not yet reached the goal but emphasizes the importance of focusing on what lies ahead rather than dwelling on past successes or failures. Paul's attitude reflects humility and a forward-looking perspective, encouraging believers to adopt a similar mindset.

Philippians 3:14:
Paul concludes by emphasizing his commitment to pressing on toward the goal, which he identifies as the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus. This prize represents the ultimate reward of eternal life and fellowship with God, motivating believers to persevere in their faith journey despite obstacles and challenges.

Overall Message:
Paul's message in these verses is one of perseverance, humility, and focus on the surpassing value of knowing Christ. He encourages believers to press forward in their faith journey, leaving behind the past and striving toward the goal of experiencing the fullness of life in Christ. Paul's own example serves as inspiration for believers to continue pursuing spiritual growth and maturity, relying on the grace and power of God to sustain them along the way.

1) "Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended" (adelphoi) "I reckon not yet myself to have laid hold, brethren" (ego hemauton oupo logizomai kateilephenai). This is a personal concession of a lowly position of perfection to which Paul had come, lest some brethren at Philippi should presume themselves to have already achieved, to their hurt of influence and testimony, Jas_4:10; 1Pe_5:6.

2) "But this one thing I do" (en de) "the things on the other hand;" It is bet say, "This one thing I do" than a "dozen things I dabble at" Those who succeed in life usually major at, are wholly given to, at least one primary thing in life's efforts; David was so committed, Psa_27:4; Mar_10:21. Mary chose the one thing most important in life, Luk_10:41-42.

3) "Forgetting those things which are behind" (ta men opiso epilanthanomenos) "The things on the one hand behind, past, forgetting, putting aside" things that to remember would obstruct, hinder, or hold one back in the Lord, no longer trusting in them, positions of popularity, pride, and worldly advantage--not looking back on the racetrack where one has already run.

4) "And reaching forth unto those things which a before" (tois de emposthen epekteinomenos) "yet the things before, on the other hand, stretching to or toward" like a runner in the final goal stretch of a race, stretching forth with head, neck, and body wholly pressing to the goal", Heb_12:2.

1) "I press toward the mark" (kata skopon doko) "I, leaning forward, follow according to a mark," standard; 1Co_9:24; Heb_12:1. The race of life to be run is a marathon, for life, not an hundred yard dash, Rev_2:10.

2) "For the prize" (eis to Brabeion) "with relation to the prize." The prize is not salvation, eternal life, itself, but it is a special award which the Lord will give to those who faithfully run the race of an obedient life of service to Christ to the end, 2Ti_4:7-8.

3) "Of the high calling of God" (tes ano kleseos tou theau) “of the calling (from) above of God;" to a crown of life, pertaining to a life of faithful service to the end, 1Co_3:8; 1Pe_5:10. Each believer is called to the High calling, to hear a "well done," for faithful service, whether he have one or ten talents, Mat_25:15; Rev_22:12.

4) "In Christ Jesus" (en Christo lesou) "in Jesus Christ" Salvation's call is universal, to the Corporate human race, including all, excluding none. One's being "in Christ," "in his Son," is conditioned on his personal, voluntary, volitional choice of Jesus Christ as his personal Savior in time, Joh_1:11-12; Joh_3:16; Joh_3:18; Joh_8:24; 1Jn_5:1. The high calling of God to service, in and through the Church, by Christ Jesus, is to all who will obey in:
a) hearing – Rom_10:17;
b) repenting – Luk_13:3; Act_17:30-31; 2Co_7:10.
c) believing to salvation (Then) – Joh_3:14-16; John 18; Joh_5:24; Eph_2:8-9.

d) 'Being baptized to prepare to walk the new life in and through the Church, which he loved and purchased with his own blood, Act_20:28; Eph_5:25; Eph_3:21.
 
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Johann, has definite issues with Grace, and that is why He always tries to find some verse that talks about works, or effort or sin, or performance.
You find this also with Episkopos.


Romans 7.....Verse 6 = '"""""""But now we.. (the born again).. are delivered from the law,"""""

How..????

1.) "Christ is the END.. OF.. THE .. LAW, for RIGHTEOUSNESS = for everyone who BELIEVES"..

2.) The Born again are "NOT UNDER THE LAW....but under Grace""
You got that right.
 

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It's absolutely true that we are born again of the Spirit, and I apologize if I'm confusing you Rita.

I will just try to mention an allegory in case it helps with this, but if it confuses you just ignore it.

We can say a loaf of bread is made from flour.....which is absolutely true. But at another time we can mention the yeast and oil that also goes into the making of that bread, and that is true too. It doesn't diminish or deny at all the truth that the bread is made from flour. Just that there are also other ingredients in addition to the flour that go into the making of that loaf.
Sis, there is no ingredients on how to be Born Again..that is my testimony and belief.

Our spirit is Born Again...not our intellect...
 
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Watching Bible corrupters is maddening and entertaining all at the same time.

People don’t read the Bible.

This is why they are bold and successful and don’t know how foolish they sound.

Blinded by their own carnal mind. They lean on a thing that is naturally opposed to God to figure out what God is saying. What a colossal failure.

:watching and waiting:
 

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Amen. As long as we don't believe and assume the written word itself is a letter that kills. It's only a dead letter if we approach and use it that way, if we approach it apart from the Holy Spirit who gives life to it.

Our minds need renewing as well as our hearts....the scriptures help to renew our minds, with the help of the Helper (Holy Spirit)...they enlighten, instruct, correct, reprove etc.....lights the way for us......a lamp unto our feet and light unto our path. The entrance of the word gives light....and it can only enter us via the Holy Spirit.
The Living Holy Spirit helps “ me “ to renew my mind, then whatever he speaks to my spirit, then I go check it with Gods written word....if it’s not there, it wasn’t from him.

We all communicate with God differently, mine has always been via His witness His Living Holy Spirit , He is the one who indwells my spirit, therefore has always communicated with my spirit via His Spirit.

Then whatever I hear in my heart/ spirit, check it out with Gods written word..

We are spiritual children, we aren’t worldly children....it takes years to understand spiritual matters, some might be quick at learning from the Spirit,I’m a very slow learner...
 

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Watching Bible corrupters is maddening and entertaining all at the same time.

People don’t read the Bible.

This is why they are bold and successful and don’t know how foolish they sound.

Blinded by their own carnal mind. They lean on a thing that is naturally opposed to God to figure out what God is saying. What a colossal failure.

:watching and waiting:
Correct you are-people don't read their bibles and that include one verse theologies, neglecting context and proper hermemeutics.
 

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Sis, there is no ingredients on how to be Born Again..that is my testimony and belief.

Our spirit is Born Again...not our intellect...
It's only an analogy, not literal and not perfect. We are born of the Spirit, yes....but, for example, the bible also says we are saved by faith doesn't it. I would call faith another "ingredient" in the loaf.
 

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The Living Holy Spirit helps “ me “ to renew my mind, then whatever he speaks to my spirit, then I go check it with Gods written word....if it’s not there, it wasn’t from him.

We all communicate with God differently, mine has always been via His witness His Living Holy Spirit , He is the one who indwells my spirit, therefore has always communicated with my spirit via His Spirit.

Then whatever I hear in my heart/ spirit, check it out with Gods written word..

We are spiritual children, we aren’t worldly children....it takes years to understand spiritual matters, some might be quick at learning from the Spirit,I’m a very slow learner...
I find the Spirit and the word together renews and enLIGHTens my mind. "Thy word is a lamp unto my feet and a light unto my path."
 

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It's only an analogy, not literal and not perfect. We are born of the Spirit, yes....but, for example, the bible also says we are saved by faith doesn't it. I would call faith another "ingredient" in the loaf.
Faith is a gift from God a manifestation of the Spirit.

Gods witness His Living Holy Spirit, Witnesses God’s Truth to our heart/ spirit...

I think I’m starting to get your drift.Sis.
 

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Ofcourse you are free to tie the scriptures down however you want…

But that’s not wise…
I said refute what I have posted should you have the exousia to do so-since I strongly believe you don't have what it takes to do proper exegetics nor hermeneutics on any particular verse or passage.

Correct your typo errors.
 
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