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River Jordan

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I've seen several posts from conservative Christians here citing the lack of a scientific explanation for the origin of life as an argument for the existence of God, the validity of creationism, and/or the validity of scripture. IMO, they're all variations of the fallacy of arguing from ignorance, but nonetheless, it's been made pretty clear that this gap in our knowledge is something conservative Christians love to point to.

I've responded to these posts by pointing out the obvious flaw and risk in this argument, namely that if the lack of an explanation for the origin of life is evidence for God and scripture, then if scientists do manage to develop a plausible scenario, logically it would be evidence against God and scripture. Arguing otherwise is a classic "trying to have it both ways". That's pretty risky, especially given the history of scientists figuring things out that had previously been declared to be unsolvable and "the providence of God" (as explained by N.D. Tyson in a video someone else posted here).

I bring this up because I came across this a couple of days ago...

Researchers may have solved origin-of-life conundrum

Now don't go too far with the headline. It's a bit misleading and obviously "click bait", but the point is that in origin of life (OOL) research, there's been a fundamental puzzle about how the basic starting compounds that were on the early earth ended up producing nucleic acids, amino acids, and lipids. Those are three different classes of compounds, so how could they have been produced? From the article...


Chemists report today that a pair of simple compounds, which would have been abundant on early Earth, can give rise to a network of simple reactions that produce the three major classes of biomolecules—nucleic acids, amino acids, and lipids—needed for the earliest form of life to get its start. Although the new work does not prove that this is how life started, it may eventually help explain one of the deepest mysteries in modern science.

“This is a very important paper,” says Jack Szostak, a molecular biologist and origin-of-life researcher at Massachusetts General Hospital in Boston, who was not affiliated with the current research. “It proposes for the first time a scenario by which almost all of the essential building blocks for life could be assembled in one geological setting.”

There's no need to get bogged down in the details, and this is most certainly not a "we've figured it all out" thing. However, this is a very significant discovery in OOL research and serves to demonstrate my point. It's one thing to bet against scientists figuring something out...it's something else to publicly tie your faith to them not figuring it out. History shows that more than likely, you're going to lose. IMO, it's far better to accept God's creation as it is, rather than as you demand it be.
 

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Interesting stuff...thanks for the post River!
 

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The problem with human reasoning and logic, we try to reduce God to someone/something we can understand with our minds which just cannot comprehend how someone/something can be such a powerful force in the universe, and in fact, created the entire universe, including matter, energy, space and time...and human and animal life on planet earth, and all life for that matter..the power of God, our Creator is mind boggling...He gave us just 5 senses, and someday if we are worthy and inherit His kingdom we will understand it all, in His time, when He deems us worthy to realize more..in the meantime science and their God given talents are falling all over themselves to try and disprove the Creator and divine Creation, and contradicting themselves continually..like one argument they make is the big bang theory...then gravity brought all the parts together into the living order we have on our planet...HELLO... scientists...AND WHO DO YOU SUPPOSE CREATED GRAVITY?????????? kind of brings the discussion to a screeching halt.
 

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And to believe that God is unknowable is one of the basic control points of the old heretical order.

He gave us his word, became a man and dwelt with us and through the Holy Spirit came into us.

Now if after all that he remains a mystery, then there's a problem or there's willful ignorance.
 

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If God exist. Who created God? Do not think with your physical mind. You will get the answer soon enough.
 

River Jordan

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heretoeternity said:
The problem with human reasoning and logic, we try to reduce God to someone/something we can understand with our minds which just cannot comprehend how someone/something can be such a powerful force in the universe, and in fact, created the entire universe, including matter, energy, space and time...and human and animal life on planet earth, and all life for that matter..the power of God, our Creator is mind boggling...He gave us just 5 senses, and someday if we are worthy and inherit His kingdom we will understand it all, in His time, when He deems us worthy to realize more.
That reads to me like you're saying scientists shouldn't be researching things like the origins of life. Is that what you're saying?

in the meantime science and their God given talents are falling all over themselves to try and disprove the Creator and divine Creation, and contradicting themselves continually..like one argument they make is the big bang theory...then gravity brought all the parts together into the living order we have on our planet...HELLO... scientists...AND WHO DO YOU SUPPOSE CREATED GRAVITY?????????? kind of brings the discussion to a screeching halt.
Really? You seriously think these scientists are going to work and thinking "Time to disprove God"?
 

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pom2014 said:
And to believe that God is unknowable is one of the basic control points of the old heretical order.

He gave us his word, became a man and dwelt with us and through the Holy Spirit came into us.

Now if after all that he remains a mystery, then there's a problem or there's willful ignorance.
I was happy to hear you say that, Pom. Never liked the ole standby "the Lord is mysterious. His ways are higher than ours!" Arguement. It is written, so it id true, but I never liked when people use it when they get stuck in their theories.

I have a degree in a field of science. It never interferes with my faith. Do I know how God created everything? No, not beyond what the bible says. Do I think he did it all in six 24 hour periods? I'm not sure he did, and it doesn't offend me if he didn't.

All in all, I tend not to bother with debates such as these.
 

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When the holy of holies was exposed at his death, so too was God.

The barriers are down, IF you desire it.

But it's far easier to be willfully ignorant than strive for perfection (teleios).