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I seen a science show about Stone Henge, where they worked out what the whole setup was all about, it's a weather clock, from what I remember it worked on 7 year cycles over another cycle in all that as well X 12 I think or 24 ? something anyway.

What we see with the site nowadays is nothing, but they had satellite imaging and on ground imaging etc showing where wooden poles once stood etc.
I recorded it all but lightning struck the house and blew up everything so I have lost that info.
But it may have the answers to climate, the axis of our north and south Pole moves through all this, as bigger picture to the system.
I only seen the program once some years ago, so I did not work it all out and can't remember it all truly.

But then again some are saying that they are doing something down at the south Pole and no one is aloud to know at all, as to what the hell they are doing down their. the media has no right to report on this and we can not see the area on google imaging as it's all blanked out. I have heard reports that they are heating it up, setting nuclear bombs off into an area to melt the ice. and from their the currants of the ocean travel around the world and it's the temp of the sea that has much to do with climate conditions. not only that but many benefits come from the South Pole that gives life to many other things hat they have found out.

2000 nuclear bombs have been tested from 1945 that have been reported as to one information I was looking up some years ago.

Some claim that chemtrails are a way of stoping rain ?
 
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Bush fire update.

Law enforcement officials are aware of at least 100 scams on the internet supposedly raising money for bushfire victims but are in fact fraudulently exploiting the compassion of Australians and putting the money in their own pocket.

The animal death count has gone up from 40 million to 80 million to 1 billion. (They probably include the millions of ants that you will find on every street corner). I have checked the internet and not one site can tell me how many animals there are in Australia so I don't know how these scaremongerers know.

Not helping the situation is the NSW judiciary. The maximum jail term for arsonists is 21 years. The average given is 3 years and some get community service orders. It has been claimed that jail time does not deter arsonists. (I wonder why?) Can I suggest that a minimum of half (10 years) for first-time offenders might deter all of them?

Of course, the bleeding hearts have come up with all the usual excuses i.e poor childhood, poverty, youth unemployment. Lack of discipline at home and school was not mentioned or parental divorce.

In the past year, more than 200 people have been charged with deliberately lighting fires.

I had a terrible childhood and was brought up in poverty but I never resorted to lighting fires. No one overcomes problems by being given excuses and told "Poor boy, I know you didn't mean to do it."
 

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CO2 is an integral part of the air we breath but a very small portion (0.04%) of it. But it is absolutely essential for plant life on earth, since plants photsynthesize it for their nutrients. It also dissolves into seawater and soil, but it has seriously been measured only since 1950 (and has increased since then).

But to claim that the increase in CO2 has caused changes in the climate, a lot of BOGUS studies have been done and published by *scientists* who have become propagandists.

"Liberal progressives very effectively created this giant hoax. The UN and its sycophants realized, brilliantly I might add, that to continue their agenda, they would have to go beyond the Brundtland Report, and would then require the targeting of private property with oppressive regulations, had to be established on a local level first, e.g., Agenda 21. Agenda 21 is not just a toothless socialist agenda, but rather, it is a radical extremist environmentalist agenda that poses a threat to our liberties."

Read more: https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2018/12/the_hoax_of_climate_change.html#ixzz6AbFwd2Cq
If the climate change issue due to mans involvement is objectively real I don't see any significant moves globally to reign in its stated cause.
Belief in it whether real or no however, can be a catalyst to pass laws yet unheard of with the agenda of justifying more control.
 

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Funny thing CO2, there is a discussion about Co2 levels which have being in declince for millennia, and if levels didnt increase plant life would have died, since it need CO2 to live, and wherever they find glaciers have retreat they find there was life before it in abundance, and CO2 is used in greenhouses to increase plant productivity. There is a lot more to it than they speak, In to days Tele they where showing a pic of a sunken mosque in Jakarts saying it all climate change, the truth is it has being sinking for years, even the problems in Venice are cause by the extraction of fresh water from under the city that is causing the city to sink, and of course all the bureaucratic BS that goes on and nothing gets fixed.

The enemy has played his hand an the world lives in fear...
 

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The are certainly some strange goings on with regards climate. I remember that the swimming season in New Zealand in my hometown of Napier when a youngster, began in October. As life guards... Surf Life savers... We began beach patrols at that time due to the crowds increasing... Labour weekend was the normal marker... Late October. The final weekend was Easter, around March. Over the years I have noticed however that at least for me, there is now no way I could comfortably swim in October, as the season seems to be not really warning up until December, and certainly the sea is still wintery child in October now. Conversely, the summer continues now later than previous... April and even may can be quite warm still, and braver souls than i might still be swimming in the ocean at that time.
The first clue I had was when I read news some years ago about how the ocean temperatures were affecting the Great Barrier Reef since the pH changes as water temperature goes up. I found an article from 2012 with some numbers I frankly didn't fully understand.

Climate is changing the Great Barrier Reef

"When we looked back at satellite data collected since 1985, we found evidence that most of the regions of the GBR are changing significantly, in terms of sea surface temperature -- especially in the southern part of the reef," Dr Ban, who is the lead author of a new scientific paper on the issue, says.

"Risk of coral bleaching increases with higher water temperatures. Across the whole reef we found water temperatures increasing by an average of 0.2 of a degree over a quarter of a century -- but the increase was significantly more in some areas.

"For example, off Rockhampton the water has warmed by about half a degree over the last 25 years."

The changes were also altering the seasonal patterns of water temperature at particular places along the reef, Dr Ban says. "In some areas summer is coming earlier and lasting longer; in others, both summers and winters are warmer than in the past. This all affects the sea life."

The research has revealed temperature conditions are dynamic, with warmer waters moving in both space and time -- posing new questions for the management of Green Zones and other protected areas which tend to be fixed.


So the oceans are changing, and changing more in some areas than others. I"m perplexed why the water off Rockhampton would be warming twice as fast as the average. Really, 0.2 degrees doesn't sound like much, neither does 0.5. It could matter though if a threshhold is being passed. I've read that air temperatures have been cooled by oceans, so the air hasn't risen as much as it would have if the oceans hadn't siphoned off some of the heat energy. It's really mystifying me. I wonder if different ocean currents are picking up heat in other places at different rates? I also found an article from the Guardian from 2015 which predicted climate change would affect Australia more than most other places.

Climate change will hit Australia harder than rest of world, study shows

Australia could be on track for a temperature rise of more than 5C by the end of the century, outstripping the rate of warming experienced by the rest of the world, unless drastic action is taken to slash greenhouse gas emissions, according to the most comprehensive analysis ever produced of the country’s future climate.

The national science agency CSIRO and the Bureau of Meteorology have released the projections based on 40 global climate models, producing what they said was the most robust picture yet of how Australia’s climate would change.



As far as here in Australia in concerned, I came here for the warm weather, so all I can say is, bring it on. But yeah, there may be a price to pay for that, and common sense ought to prevail. Warm here today...34, and was the same yesterday, and expected to be similar next week. The current mean temperature for January in Melbourne is 27c. That will perhaps rise as the month progresses, but not by much. Melbourne however has a lower average than the bulk of the rest of Australia being in the South. But getting warmer by one degree or maybe two.. Is that really the catastrophic end of world scenario the climate activists are trying to convince us of? And even the bigger question... Is it really Mankinds fault by releasing CO2 creating a greenhouse? Personally, I am far from convinced...
A degree or two could do a lot. The permafrost in Canada is melting in places. I won't derail the thread by discussing that too much; but there's a whole city built on top of the permafrost. It stayed permanently frozen, so it was safe to build on. Now it's going soft in the summer, and the whole city is in danger of slowly sinking. I've no idea what they plan to do.

Carbon dioxide? Well, first of all it is a trace gas. It currently makes up 410 parts per million of the atmosphere, up from 280 in pre-industrial times. But that's only 0.04%. It might have some effect; but I doubt it explains everything. I suspect other variables may be at work. Certainly if forest areas in Africa are cut down, that's going to affect how much water is in the air, it's going to make the bare earth absorb more heat and that would warm the air too. I think it would cause an updraft too, affecting air current patterns.

There's also some intellectually dishonesty in discussions. Natural gas is touted now as "clean" energy while coal is vilified. That might make sense from the pollution of coal smoke and the like being added to the air; but let's be serious: You burn natural gas, you're producing carbon dioxide.

I think Australian politicians have misled people too by pushing coal exports so much, as if coal is going to save Australia. It won't. If you study countries that depend on extracting natural resources, you see a pattern of exploiting the resources while the government wastes money. Venezuela and Iran come to mind. Maybe most of the continent of Africa has been exploited too without developing other parts of their economy. Depending on China to continue importing coal from Australia is also misguided. Some cities in China have air so polluted with coal smoke, you can't breath. China is pushing "green" energy now. It's willing to import coal if it needs it, but the trend is away from coal. If the gas pipeline from Russia gets finished, Australia probably won't ship any coal to China. China is also breaking their pledge about coal by creating more of their own coal mines.

China coal mine approvals surge despite climate pledges

Long-term cuts in coal consumption are a key part of China’s energy, environment and climate goals, but the fivefold increase in new mine approvals in the first-half of 2019 suggests China’s targets still provide ample room for shorter-term growth.

China’s energy regulator gave the go-ahead to build 141 million tonnes of new annual coal production capacity from January to June, compared to 25 million tonnes over the whole of last year, Reuters analysis of approval documents showed.

The projects included new mines in the regions of Inner Mongolia, Xinjiang, Shanxi and Shaanxi that are part of a national strategy to consolidate output at dedicated coal production “bases”, as well as expansions of existing collieries, the National Energy Administration (NEA) documents showed.


I have no idea how much coal Australia burns domestically; but in one way, it could be irrelevant since they could reduce it to zero and it might do next to nothing to affect the CO2 levels since other countries could still be adding to it. Looking at coal as a complete villain or a complete savior seems naive to me. A lot of CO2 is added by things few want to talk about. Everyone talks about how great world trade it; but most of it is sent on ships that burn a nasty kind of oil that really pollutes. They're working to get it cleaner, but it's still adding the CO2. Airplanes are also contributors to CO2. Just one flight can produce as much CO2 as some people produce in a year in some countries. I don't see the current rage of traveling to far off places for vacations or the current practice of flying business executives around so much as environmentally friendly. (It reminds me of where the Bible says "many shall go to and fro.")

The situation with the fires has become political. That suggests the problems may not get solved since political parties are more interested in blaming each other than coming together to come up with reasonable solutions. The coal mining problem needs a real solution. Someone needs to encourage businesses to locate in coal mining areas because like it or not, those coal jobs won't last forever, especially as we see the cost of solar and wind power going down. Coal is going to become obsolete because it will be more expensive, sooner or later.
 
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The first clue I had was when I read news some years ago about how the ocean temperatures were affecting the Great Barrier Reef since the pH changes as water temperature goes up. I found an article from 2012 with some numbers I frankly didn't fully understand.

Climate is changing the Great Barrier Reef

"When we looked back at satellite data collected since 1985, we found evidence that most of the regions of the GBR are changing significantly, in terms of sea surface temperature -- especially in the southern part of the reef," Dr Ban, who is the lead author of a new scientific paper on the issue, says.

"Risk of coral bleaching increases with higher water temperatures. Across the whole reef we found water temperatures increasing by an average of 0.2 of a degree over a quarter of a century -- but the increase was significantly more in some areas.

"For example, off Rockhampton the water has warmed by about half a degree over the last 25 years."

The changes were also altering the seasonal patterns of water temperature at particular places along the reef, Dr Ban says. "In some areas summer is coming earlier and lasting longer; in others, both summers and winters are warmer than in the past. This all affects the sea life."

The research has revealed temperature conditions are dynamic, with warmer waters moving in both space and time -- posing new questions for the management of Green Zones and other protected areas which tend to be fixed.


So the oceans are changing, and changing more in some areas than others. I"m perplexed why the water off Rockhampton would be warming twice as fast as the average. Really, 0.2 degrees doesn't sound like much, neither does 0.5. It could matter though if a threshhold is being passed. I've read that air temperatures have been cooled by oceans, so the air hasn't risen as much as it would have if the oceans hadn't siphoned off some of the heat energy. It's really mystifying me. I wonder if different ocean currents are picking up heat in other places at different rates? I also found an article from the Guardian from 2015 which predicted climate change would affect Australia more than most other places.

Climate change will hit Australia harder than rest of world, study shows

Australia could be on track for a temperature rise of more than 5C by the end of the century, outstripping the rate of warming experienced by the rest of the world, unless drastic action is taken to slash greenhouse gas emissions, according to the most comprehensive analysis ever produced of the country’s future climate.

The national science agency CSIRO and the Bureau of Meteorology have released the projections based on 40 global climate models, producing what they said was the most robust picture yet of how Australia’s climate would change.




A degree or two could do a lot. The permafrost in Canada is melting in places. I won't derail the thread by discussing that too much; but there's a whole city built on top of the permafrost. It stayed permanently frozen, so it was safe to build on. Now it's going soft in the summer, and the whole city is in danger of slowly sinking. I've no idea what they plan to do.

Carbon dioxide? Well, first of all it is a trace gas. It currently makes up 410 parts per million of the atmosphere, up from 280 in pre-industrial times. But that's only 0.04%. It might have some effect; but I doubt it explains everything. I suspect other variables may be at work. Certainly if forest areas in Africa are cut down, that's going to affect how much water is in the air, it's going to make the bare earth absorb more heat and that would warm the air too. I think it would cause an updraft too, affecting air current patterns.

There's also some intellectually dishonesty in discussions. Natural gas is touted now as "clean" energy while coal is vilified. That might make sense from the pollution of coal smoke and the like being added to the air; but let's be serious: You burn natural gas, you're producing carbon dioxide.

I think Australian politicians have misled people too by pushing coal exports so much, as if coal is going to save Australia. It won't. If you study countries that depend on extracting natural resources, you see a pattern of exploiting the resources while the government wastes money. Venezuela and Iran come to mind. Maybe most of the continent of Africa has been exploited too without developing other parts of their economy. Depending on China to continue importing coal from Australia is also misguided. Some cities in China have air so polluted with coal smoke, you can't breath. China is pushing "green" energy now. It's willing to import coal if it needs it, but the trend is away from coal. If the gas pipeline from Russia gets finished, Australia probably won't ship any coal to China. China is also breaking their pledge about coal by creating more of their own coal mines.

China coal mine approvals surge despite climate pledges

Long-term cuts in coal consumption are a key part of China’s energy, environment and climate goals, but the fivefold increase in new mine approvals in the first-half of 2019 suggests China’s targets still provide ample room for shorter-term growth.

China’s energy regulator gave the go-ahead to build 141 million tonnes of new annual coal production capacity from January to June, compared to 25 million tonnes over the whole of last year, Reuters analysis of approval documents showed.

The projects included new mines in the regions of Inner Mongolia, Xinjiang, Shanxi and Shaanxi that are part of a national strategy to consolidate output at dedicated coal production “bases”, as well as expansions of existing collieries, the National Energy Administration (NEA) documents showed.


I have no idea how much coal Australia burns domestically; but in one way, it could be irrelevant since they could reduce it to zero and it might do next to nothing to affect the CO2 levels since other countries could still be adding to it. Looking at coal as a complete villain or a complete savior seems naive to me. A lot of CO2 is added by things few want to talk about. Everyone talks about how great world trade it; but most of it is sent on ships that burn a nasty kind of oil that really pollutes. They're working to get it cleaner, but it's still adding the CO2. Airplanes are also contributors to CO2. Just one flight can produce as much CO2 as some people produce in a year in some countries. I don't see the current rage of traveling to far off places for vacations or the current practice of flying business executives around so much as environmentally friendly. (It reminds me of where the Bible says "many shall go to and fro.")

The situation with the fires has become political. That suggests the problems may not get solved since political parties are more interested in blaming each other than coming together to come up with reasonable solutions. The coal mining problem needs a real solution. Someone needs to encourage businesses to locate in coal mining areas because like it or not, those coal jobs won't last forever, especially as we see the cost of solar and wind power going down. Coal is going to become obsolete because it will be more expensive, sooner or later.
And one volcanic eruption would undo the combined efforts of the entire Pacific region over a period of ten years in diminishing emissions.
Do you believe in prophecy? Jesus said as in the days of Noah, so shall the coming of the son of man be. I'm Noah's day, the inhabitants of the earth were destroyed by water... The apostle Peter said the time will come when all will be destroyed by fire. As water came from above and below to inundate the planet, so also will fire. The earth warming up? In some places and not others? Sounds a lot like volcanic activity to me. And prophecy being fulfilled. Maybe. From a biblical perspective, more credible than anthropogenic climate change.
 
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And one volcanic eruption would undo the combined efforts of the entire Pacific region over a period of ten years in diminishing emissions.
Do you believe in prophecy? Jesus said as in the days of Noah, so shall the coming of the son of man be. I'm Noah's day, the inhabitants of the earth were destroyed by water... The apostle Peter said the time will come when all will be destroyed by fire. As water came from above and below to inundate the planet, so also will fire. The earth warming up? In some places and not others? Sounds a lot like volcanic activity to me. And prophecy being fulfilled. Maybe. From a biblical perspective, more credible than anthropogenic climate change.

Volcanic eruptions have always been around. My Mother told me how her Mother told her about the spectacular sunsets were after the eruption of Krakatoa in 1883. The sulphuric acid in the air actually cooled the earth a little. Of course, there was acid rain around the world.

I try to separate my secular views from my religious ones. I think some people who believe the world is going to end soon develop the attitude it doesn't matter what we do to it. That doesn't seem wise to me from either the secular or religious viewpoint.
 

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When the greens and the polys give up there cars, there plane trips there free travel, there electricty, computers laptops phones, than I might listen to them right now there all just hot air.
100% true and valid, especially Green politicians.
 

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Fire update.

Prayer saves lives.

A report has come in from a Christian source that the fire at Mallacoota which was bearing down on people on the beach who were trying to escape it, was saved by the prayers of a Christian.

Apparently the owner of a local guesthouse who was a Christian and on the beach with the rest of the other residents, saw the fire coming towards them with no hope of escaping it. The Spirit of God spoke to him and said pray. He started praying quietly and was convicted to get louder so he prayed louder and asked others to pray.

He was told to pray for a wind from the east. The fire was bearing down on them from the north. So he prayed for a wind from the east. It started quietly and got louder as the wind took hold. Moments before the fire hit the beach, it veered to the west and left the people on the beach untouched.

Even the people who were saved from the fire who were not Christian admitted it was a miracle of God that they were still alive.
 
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I have come to the conclusion that it becomes very easy for the extreme left to self justify when they refuse to listen to counter arguments, referring to them as hate speech... Phobic... Etc etc.
I see the same tactic being carried out throughout religious history, only instead of the above triggering words, we use the term heresy... And still revert to our own safe place of personal and/or corporate infallibility and trusting in the fruits of religious malfeasance rather than investigation and transparent openness to God's revelation.
 
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Volcanic eruptions have always been around
Indeed, as have earthquakes, pestilence and disease, wars etc and all manner of disaster both natural and man made. But that does not mitigate against God's use of what is natural by withdrawing His protection against certain sections or strata of duty in order for them to be either chastised or permanently removed. The flood a case in point, and as Peter said,
KJV 2 Peter 3
3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
 
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Indeed, as have earthquakes, pestilence and disease, wars etc and all manner of disaster both natural and man made. But that does not mitigate against God's use of what is natural by withdrawing His protection against certain sections or strata of duty in order for them to be either chastised or permanently removed. The flood a case in point, and as Peter said,
KJV 2 Peter 3
3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
I read that fire as spiritual fire, as God is an all consuming fire. Individuals are baptized by fire one by one; but I think a day will come when the entire earth is baptized by fire -- after the Thousand Year Reign.

Nothing impure can exist in the Presence of God as you know. We read that God wants to dwell among men; and when He descends to do so, all impurities will be burned up. The old earth will pass away and a new one appear. This is a wonderful thing, although it may not be experienced that way by the ungodly. God's original plan for man will have come to fruition. Time ran out for them. It will be time for God to reward the godly after they have been patient so long in the time given for the ungodly to come to repentance.

Revelation 21:And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

All that being said, I also believe a prior world was already partially baptized in the First Century with much wickedness being burnt up. What was a mixture of wheat and tares was not burnt.
 

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I have come to the conclusion that it becomes very easy for the extreme left to self justify when they refuse to listen to counter arguments, referring to them as hate speech... Phobic... Etc etc.
I see the same tactic being carried out throughout religious history, only instead of the above triggering words, we use the term heresy... And still revert to our own safe place of personal and/or corporate infallibility and trusting in the fruits of religious malfeasance rather than investigation and transparent openness to God's revelation.
There is something similar on the extreme right too, isn't there? This type of politician is more interested in partisanship since their positions of power depend on keeping other motivated to support them. Both sides like to vilify each other, and each has its base it appeals to.
 
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The far left and the far right drown out the moderates so nobody will hear reason, sad.
And that is the way the world has been designed to work... Thesis versus antithesis results in synthesis.
Right versus left
Democrat versus Republican
Conservative versus liberal
Capitalism versus socialism
Etc etc etc.... Then out of chaos comes order... Synthesis... And the whole world wonders after the beast.
 

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And that is the way the world has been designed to work... Thesis versus antithesis results in synthesis.
Right versus left
Democrat versus Republican
Conservative versus liberal
Capitalism versus socialism
Etc etc etc.... Then out of chaos comes order... Synthesis... And the whole world wonders after the beast.

Good word! And, yes...agreed, this is where we are headed...it's like the frog boiling slowly in a pot of water...we are dumb, deaf, and blind to it...until it blows up. I suppose there should be no surprises here.