Australia bans same sex marriage.

[JackSafari]

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If you know the truth (homosexuals will not be in heaven).

^^^...This is your belief, not all Christians believe this this to be true.

What you believe is of no concern to me other than if you take action to harm\harass others or seek to limit to their opportunities\freedom. God will judge each person on their own merits, and how God decides to judge a person who is homosexual, is between that person and God. It is none of your concern.

 

[KCKID]

All limitations. Moreover all should be put in prison, until it is determined they have changed their EVIL ways.

Do you consider yourself to be the standard by which righteousness is measured, JB? We both know the answer to that, don't we? According to your buddy, Paul, YOUR righteousness is as filthy rags! So, own it! How DARE you stand in judgment of others!

SIN!​

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Perverted at that.​

There is none righteous (without sin). No, not one. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. How come it's me, the professed sinner, who has to keep reminding you narcissistic dreamers of this?

 

[Rex]

There is none righteous (without sin). No, not one. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. How come it's me, the professed sinner, who has to keep reminding you narcissistic dreamers of this?

Gee the last time I checked it was you and Jack coming here telling everyone we have it all wrong LOL
In a nut shell it was you that came in with your hands full of stones, you haven't quit throwing them since.

Isn't your arm getting a bit tired justifying a sexual practice.

 

[JackSafari]

. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone...

yes, and great words to live by for all, including myself, IMHO.

 

[KCKID]

Guess you won't like heaven much either.

Well, such as you don't make it sound too enticing for such as me. I like a little bit of spice to my life. :) Then again. I don't pay you too much mind so I imagine heaven to be a VERY exciting place that is far beyond anything that we can imagine. Or, heaven doesn't exist at all.

For the millionth time: 1 Cor 6:9-10 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals,[a] nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.

AND, for the millionth time, the word 'homosexual' is found nowhere in the original texts of the Bible. 'Homosexual' is a relatively modern word which has been implanted illegally into the Bible as well as highlighted over the past few years by homophobes and bigots and religious zealots as pretty well being 'the sin of sins'. But, again, that term was NEVER in the original manuscripts and all references to homosexuality - in whatever language it is referenced - is found in only FIVE places in the ENTIRE Bible! EVEN THEN, it is in reference to idolatry and such related practices. That said, the list you give above, KJ, is just a general one not just limited to the items contained in it. It's referring to those who sin, which is all of us. I'm sure that YOU are on Paul's comprehensive list. I know that I am. And, I'm fine with that.

You assume the council of Jewish elders that would judge a kid worthy of death were dumb? or do you assume just any disobedient kid was put to death? As for laws, is it not obvious that all of the law pleased God? As NT Christians we obey all the law but use our brain / heart to see God's reasoning behind the law....as they are now written on our hearts..example...if watching porn before marriage hurt my wife, it will do likewise in marriage, but not result in divorce as before would result in being dumped...consistent adultery however, just like consistent homosexuality for a Christian = divorce. Laws like the Sabbath require discernment, but moral laws, none! It really is not rocket science. All Christians are to work out their salvation in fear and trembling before God. I would really like to know how exactly you justify your approval of homosexuality before God? As knowing the scriptures you do, you have no excuse! naughty naughty!

You wrongly address 'moral laws' as merely pertaining to sex. Some of the behavior on this forum by some toward others is rather immoral, perhaps in some cases, VERY immoral. So don't just limit immoral behavior to sex. That's the problem. People are SO obsessed with sex that immorality=sex. By the way, you still haven't explained - to those who may not know - what 'God's word' is. I would say that God's word would be no more complicated than 'love your neighbor as yourself'. Would I be correct, do you think? This would mean, of course, NOT mocking your neighbor, not belittling your neighbor, not demeaning your neighbor, not demonizing your neighbor, etc. etc. I'm sure glad this kind of thing doesn't occur on this forum . . . :unsure:

You know the truth but are quoting verses without context. Hardly trying to bat for God and Him being good OT and NT. Raising popular devilish / atheist arguments and you wonder why I call you a false teacher....

You can call me whatever you like, KJ. It won't change who I am.

I think this verse that was written for you is worse, Luke 17:2 It would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck and he were cast into the sea than that he should cause one of these little ones to sin.

I'm not causing anyone to sin. We adults are each responsible for our own actions. Hopefully, children (as referenced in the scripture) will be encouraged to be who they are without prejudice from others and, when they become adults, be responsible for their own actions.

If you know the truth (homosexuals will not be in heaven) but continue to teach that it is fine and blur it with carnal reasoning (what laws? there are so many, I am not happy, religion must make me happy, OT God is bad), you better take your own life before God get's hold of you!

Oh, my goodness. Such dramatics! You know the millstone you referred to previously? It seems to me that you have made the Bible YOUR millstone. Do you not know anything about Jesus or are you lost in a fog of condemning scriptures that point at you and scare you to death?

If I was a Christian, stumbling as you are, I would accept this rebuke and deal with it. Judge yourself harshly kckid. I do love you and JS, but hate what you are teaching in the name of Christianity. Either confess that you are not a Christian or accept rebuke and judge yourself extremely harshly before God tonight.

I appreciate your 'love', KJ, but it's a misplaced love. I can assure you that, while I'm still learning on a daily basis the ways of Jesus and how to treat my neighbor appropriately, I'm hardly stumbling. Moreover, I will not follow your advice to renounce my Christianity simply because I don't appear to toe the party line that you yourself claim to. Nor the rest. Good heavens! . . .did I just step into a confession box . . .?

 

[Foreigner]

^^^...This is your belief, not all Christians believe this this to be true.

-- That doesn't mean that what he believes is wrong. His opinion dovetails with scripture and God's opinion about the sin of homosexual behavior.

What you believe is of no concern to me other than if you take action to harm\harass others or seek to limit to their opportunities\freedom. God will judge each person on their own merits, and how God decides to judge a person who is homosexual, is between that person and God. It is none of your concern.

-- Then - using your own words - you are in no position to criticize anyone here for what they believe because it is between them and God.
Perhaps you should practice what you preach.

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[JackSafari]

-- That doesn't mean that what he believes is wrong. His opinion dovetails with scripture and God's opinion about the sin of homosexual behavior.


-- Then - using your own words - you are in no position to criticize anyone here for what they believe because it is between them and God.
Perhaps you should practice what you preach.

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We are all are free to express and defend our personal beliefs, and debate those beliefs. I have no difficulty with people stating their personal opinions\beliefs. Christians believe a wide range of thing things. Its normal and friendly disagreement is to be expected.

Personally, It does not bother me if others want to believe that homosexuality automatically dooms people to hell, or that my support of them dooms me to hell. Throughout the history of Christianity many such beliefs have come and gone because today Christianity today no longer endorses\supports many absurd ideas, even if there are parts of the bible that still can be interpreted to support them. What is really going on here is no different than the dying of the support or racist ideas that were extremely dominate for centuries. Homophobia is being rejected by a majority of Christians, and replace with acceptance\ tolerance\understanding, which is the Christian way. Homophobia is a cancer in Christianity, and the sooner is gone, the better it is for all Christians. I understand it will not disappear over night, but thankfully the tipping point has been reached, and we are past the point of no return.

 

[JB_Reformed Baptist]

Do you consider yourself to be the standard by which righteousness is measured, JB? We both know the answer to that, don't we? According to your buddy, Paul, YOUR righteousness is as filthy rags! So, own it! How DARE you stand in judgment of others!


There is none righteous (without sin). No, not one. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. How come it's me, the professed sinner, who has to keep reminding you narcissistic dreamers of this?

We must drive the wickedness back into the shadows. You know "eschew the Evil".

 

[KCKID]

-- That doesn't mean that what he believes is wrong. His opinion dovetails with scripture and God's opinion about the sin of homosexual behavior.

Whatever might be 'God's opinion' then it's up to God - and not you or anyone else - to deal with it. Meanwhile, you share a planet with a great many people who don't live their lives according to 'God's opinion' and this probably includes you more than occasionally. It's the 'opinion' of Jesus that those such as yourself should not judge others but that instruction apparently falls on deaf ears with most Christians most of the time.

-- Then - using your own words - you are in no position to criticize anyone here for what they believe because it is between them and God.
Perhaps you should practice what you preach.

People here are being 'criticized' because they are demeaning others REGARDLESS of their believing that they are speaking for God. When this occurs it's the duty of all of us to step in and try to put a stop to it. Christians don't have a license to demean people simply because their 'book of rules' (which is all the Bible appears to be to many of you) 'tells them to'.

We must drive the wickedness back into the shadows. You know "eschew the Evil".

Pious rhetoric . . .

 

[Groundzero]

What do you believe causes about 10% of world population to be homosexual?

Would it be our fallen nature, that likes to rebel against God? And then to cap it off, Christians wash their hands off it all, or worse still, support the fruits of the flesh which sees this behaviour (homosexuality and other behaviour as well such as adultery, fornication, etc) taught to the impressionable children of our culture.

You teach a kid that he's homosexual, there's a pretty good chance that's what he'll become.

Of course, now we like to say, "I was born that way."
So we can ease our conscience and try and make it acceptable. It might work with men, but it won't work with the Almighty Creator.

 

[JackSafari]

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You teach a kid that he's homosexual, there's a pretty good chance that's what he'll become. .

How do the they teach children to become homosexual? Thx

 

[KCKID]

Would it be our fallen nature, that likes to rebel against God? And then to cap it off, Christians wash their hands off it all, or worse still, support the fruits of the flesh which sees this behaviour (homosexuality and other behaviour as well such as adultery, fornication, etc) taught to the impressionable children of our culture.

You teach a kid that he's homosexual, there's a pretty good chance that's what he'll become.

It's this kind of ignorance and the gullible people that believe it that is the cause of so much distress among gay people and it needs to be recognized as such and countered at every opportunity. That's all I need say to the above piece of unmittigated crud.

Of course, now we like to say, "I was born that way." So we can ease our conscience and try and make it acceptable. It might work with men, but it won't work with the Almighty Creator.

Were you born ignorant and arrogant or is it learned behavior? You perhaps need to start looking inward and working out your own insecurities and questionable intentions before you even begin to preach to others about an Almighty Creator and - especially - Jesus Christ.

How do the homosexuals teach children to become homosexual? Thx

I'm waiting with bated breath to hear the answer to that question.

 

[KingJ]

I'm not causing anyone to sin. We adults are each responsible for our own actions. Hopefully, children (as referenced in the scripture) will be encouraged to be who they are without prejudice from others and, when they become adults, be responsible for their own actions.

Here is another passage for you. Jer 5:21-23 Hear this, you foolish and senseless people, who have eyes but do not see, who have ears but do not hear. Should you not fear me?" declares the LORD. "Should you not tremble in my presence? But these people have stubborn and rebellious hearts.

This summarises you and JS. You are too blind to see the damage you do. To proud and arrogant to hear and fear the Holy Spirit's conviction and teaching.

 

[Angelina]

I just read this awesome testimony on-line by a guy named Geoff Rogers . If you get a chance, have a read :)
http://www.christianityandhomosexuality.com/

Be Blessed!

 

[JackSafari]

Here is another passage for you. Jer 5:21-23 Hear this, you foolish and senseless people, who have eyes but do not see, who have ears but do not hear. Should you not fear me?" declares the LORD. "Should you not tremble in my presence? But these people have stubborn and rebellious hearts.

This summarises you and JS. You are too blind to see the damage you do. To proud and arrogant to hear and fear the Holy Spirit's conviction and teaching.

At the heart of my effort is combating ignorance. Ignorance is bad for Christianity as it always has been. Its like Cancer, it takes something that is good, and eats away at it. When people set aside what is good in Christianity to endorse persecution and oppression of others, that is when Christianity has it's worst problems as a religion.

 

[Foreigner]

Whatever might be 'God's opinion' then it's up to God - and not you or anyone else - to deal with it.

-- But when God's 'opinion' is written in black and white without ambiguity in His Word and people so it isn't so and demand to know why you disagree with them, then it is not a case of live and let live.

Meanwhile, you share a planet with a great many people who don't live their lives according to 'God's opinion' and this probably includes you more than occasionally. It's the 'opinion' of Jesus that those such as yourself should not judge others but that instruction apparently falls on deaf ears with most Christians most of the time.

-- More selective outrage. The majority of times for Christians they are confronted by people who do not agree with God's Word and demand to know why the Christian does. When the Christian defends his position THEN he is accused fo being intolerant and/or judgmental.

Sorry, but pointing out via Scripture that people who say a certain lifestyle or practice is wrong is NOT judging them. Especially when THEY were the first to demand answers to justify why you don't agree with them.

Hate to introduce facts here, but someone had to.

 

[KCKID]

Here is another passage for you. Jer 5:21-23 Hear this, you foolish and senseless people, who have eyes but do not see, who have ears but do not hear. Should you not fear me?" declares the LORD. "Should you not tremble in my presence? But these people have stubborn and rebellious hearts.

This summarises you and JS. You are too blind to see the damage you do. To proud and arrogant to hear and fear the Holy Spirit's conviction and teaching.

Why would you underline my "I'm not causing anyone to sin" ...? It's true. I am NOT causing or encouraging anyone to sin. What makes you think that I am?

Why would you underline "Hopefully" as in 'children will be encouraged to be who they are without prejudice from others' ...? Are you saying that children SHOULD be demeaned because of who they are?

Please stop aiming your condemning Bible texts at me and others, KJ. I could just as well aim such scriptures at you but that's not my style.

 

[JackSafari]

-- But when God's 'opinion' is written in black and white without ambiguity in His Word and people so it isn't so and demand to know why you disagree with them, then it is not a case of live and let live.


-- More selective outrage. The majority of times for Christians they are confronted by people who do not agree with God's Word and demand to know why the Christian does. When the Christian defends his position THEN he is accused fo being intolerant and/or judgmental.

Sorry, but pointing out via Scripture that people who say a certain lifestyle or practice is wrong is NOT judging them. Especially when THEY were the first to demand answers to justify why you don't agree with them.

Hate to introduce facts here, but someone had to.

The bible is very much open to interpretation, which is why Christianity continues to evolve for the past 2000 years. Christianity continues to become a better religion because Christians themselves become more Christ like as ignorant beliefs are left behind.

 

[KCKID]

I just read this awesome testimony on-line by a guy named Geoff Rogers . If you get a chance, have a read :)
http://www.christianityandhomosexuality.com/

Be Blessed!

No offense but I find personal testimonies to be akin to family home movies. I realize that Christians are supposed to at least pretend to be interested but the truth is that few really are. I remember, years ago, at my particular church we had a "Sabbath" form of personal testimonies, i.e. the personal testimonies of those that had been led to keeping the 7th-day Sabbath (Saturday). By the time the final testimony had been preached I was all but ready to throw a rope across a beam and hang myself. And, from what I heard from others later - in a whisper, of course - is that they would have been willing to join me. Whew! Talk about a marathon and a half! So, to each his own but I highly suspect that many people use some degree of 'poetic license' when they preach their personal testimonies.

 

[JB_Reformed Baptist]

The bible is very much open to interpretation, which is why Christianity continues to evolve for the past 2000 years. Christianity continues to become a better religion because Christians themselves become more Christ like as ignorant beliefs are left behind.

The bible is very much open to interpretation, which is why Christianity continues to evolve for the past 2000 years. Christianity continues to become a better religion because Christians themselves become more Christ like as ignorant beliefs are left behind.

You're a fake if I ever heard one.