Avoiding : The Cults.. #2 : CALVINISM -"TULIP"

[BlessedPeace]

It's TULIP = being sustained by deceivers who are deceived by Both Calvin and TULIP, is the reality.

No.
Your hatred for Calvinism blinds you to scripture that sustains it.

Many who hate Calvinism object to the predestination aspect. Even though Jesus referenced this more than once.

Many also object to the fact Salvation is eternal and irrevocable.


If one is a Christian it would seem contradictory to hold just those two objections , when a Christian is eternally irrevocably saved because God called them to his grace.

 

[BlessedPeace]

sorry, I can;t be born again UNTIL i trust first.



Nonsensical..

Scripture doesn't teach that.

 

[Episkopos]

I agree with you on this..

That makes sense to me.

I think you may be far more mature than I Epi,..I do understand a lot of what you say, a lot I don’t, but, then I’m not a teacher, are you a teacher?

I suppose I have to be. As an author and podcaster, I suppose I am a teacher. Not very good in speech...but I do see so many going astray, NOT understanding God's ways...instead following a religion that men have put together...without God's approval.


My ministry is to the church. It's far easier to convert a sinner into being a Christian than one who is now a believer INTO Christ. The very rarity of this makes me look like I'm way out there. But woe to me if I don't preach the gospel according to the truth...entering into Christ to partake of His life and holiness.

 

[Ritajanice]

◄ 1 Peter 1 ►

Berean Standard Bible Par ▾ A Greeting from Peter (2 Peter 1:1–2) 1Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, To the elect who are exiles of the Dispersion throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, chosena 2according to the foreknowledge of God the Father and sanctified by the Spirit for obedience to Jesus Christ and sprinkling by His blood: Grace and peace be yours in abundance. A Living Hope 3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! By His great mercy He has given us new birthb into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4and into an inheritance that is imperishable, undefiled, and unfading, reserved in heaven for you, 5who through faith are shielded by God’s power for the salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time. 6In this you greatly rejoice, though now for a little while you may have had to suffer grief in various trials 7so that the proven character of your faith—more precious than gold, which perishes even though refined by fire—may result in praise, glory, and honor at the revelation of Jesus Christ. 8Though you have not seen Him, you love Him; and though you do not see Him now, you believe in Him and rejoice with an inexpressible and glorious joy, 9now that you are receiving the goal of your faith, the salvation of your souls. 10Concerning this salvation, the prophets who foretold the grace to come to you searched and investigated carefully, 11trying to determine the time and setting to which the Spirit of Christ in them was pointing when He predicted the sufferings of Christ and the glories to follow. 12It was revealed to them that they were not serving themselves, but you, when they foretold the things now announced by those who preached the gospel to you by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven. Even angels long to look into these things. A Call to Holiness (Hebrews 12:14–17) 13Therefore prepare your minds for action.c Be sober-minded. Set your hope fully on the grace to be given you at the revelation of Jesus Christ. 14As obedient children, do not conform to the passions of your former ignorance. 15But just as He who called you is holy, so be holy in all you do, 16for it is written: “Be holy, because I am holy.”d 17Since you call on a Father who judges each one’s work impartially, conduct yourselves in reverent fear during your stay as foreigners. 18For you know that it was not with perishable things such as silver or gold that you were redeemed from the empty way of life you inherited from your forefathers, 19but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or spot. 20He was known before the foundation of the world, but was revealed in the last times for your sake. 21Through Him you believe in God, who raised Him from the dead and glorified Him; and so your faith and hope are in God. The Enduring Word (Isaiah 40:6–8) 22Since you have purified your souls by obedience to the truth so that you have a genuine love for your brothers, love one another deeply, from a pure heart.e 23For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God. 24For, “All flesh is like grass, and all its glory like the flowers of the field; the grass withers and the flowers fall, 25but the word of the Lord stands forever.”f And this is the word that was proclaimed to you.

 

[Behold]

Sorry, you can’t trust in Christ or even know Christ, without being Born Again

You are clearly teachig that a person has to be born again, before they are a Believer.
That you must be born again, before you have Trusted in Christ.

"Born again, without having any faith, so that by being born again, i am given faith in Christ, after im born again".

Yes, i got it....

You and Brightframe and one other member, are teaching. the exact same thing.

 

[Ritajanice]

You are clearly teachig that a person has to be born again, before they are a Believer.
That you must be born again, before you have Trusted in Christ.

"Born again, without having any faith, so that by being born again, i am given faith in Christ, after im born again".

Yes, i got it....

You and Brightframe and one other member, are teaching. the exact same thing.

Are we done yet, I don’t believe as you do.

No point going round in circles,?

We believe very differently indeed.

 

[amigo de christo]

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◄ 1 Peter 1 ►

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Berean Standard Bible Par ▾ A Greeting from Peter (2 Peter 1:1–2) 1Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, To the elect who are exiles of the Dispersion throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, chosena 2according to the foreknowledge of God the Father and sanctified by the Spirit for obedience to Jesus Christ and sprinkling by His blood: Grace and peace be yours in abundance. A Living Hope 3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! By His great mercy He has given us new birthb into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4and into an inheritance that is imperishable, undefiled, and unfading, reserved in heaven for you, 5who through faith are shielded by God’s power for the salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time. 6In this you greatly rejoice, though now for a little while you may have had to suffer grief in various trials 7so that the proven character of your faith—more precious than gold, which perishes even though refined by fire—may result in praise, glory, and honor at the revelation of Jesus Christ. 8Though you have not seen Him, you love Him; and though you do not see Him now, you believe in Him and rejoice with an inexpressible and glorious joy, 9now that you are receiving the goal of your faith, the salvation of your souls. 10Concerning this salvation, the prophets who foretold the grace to come to you searched and investigated carefully, 11trying to determine the time and setting to which the Spirit of Christ in them was pointing when He predicted the sufferings of Christ and the glories to follow. 12It was revealed to them that they were not serving themselves, but you, when they foretold the things now announced by those who preached the gospel to you by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven. Even angels long to look into these things. A Call to Holiness (Hebrews 12:14–17) 13Therefore prepare your minds for action.c Be sober-minded. Set your hope fully on the grace to be given you at the revelation of Jesus Christ. 14As obedient children, do not conform to the passions of your former ignorance. 15But just as He who called you is holy, so be holy in all you do, 16for it is written: “Be holy, because I am holy.”d 17Since you call on a Father who judges each one’s work impartially, conduct yourselves in reverent fear during your stay as foreigners. 18For you know that it was not with perishable things such as silver or gold that you were redeemed from the empty way of life you inherited from your forefathers, 19but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or spot. 20He was known before the foundation of the world, but was revealed in the last times for your sake. 21Through Him you believe in God, who raised Him from the dead and glorified Him; and so your faith and hope are in God. The Enduring Word (Isaiah 40:6–8) 22Since you have purified your souls by obedience to the truth so that you have a genuine love for your brothers, love one another deeply, from a pure heart.e 23For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God. 24For, “All flesh is like grass, and all its glory like the flowers of the field; the grass withers and the flowers fall, 25but the word of the Lord stands forever.”f And this is the word that was proclaimed to you.

IF i didnt love ya i would not have brought you this next reminder .
My dear and loved sister , i seen a love put from you on a mans post
that I KNOW teaches inclusivsm . That i know teaches another gospel .
DONT forget the BORN AGAIN would never believe nor even teach
another gospel , ONLY THE DIRE NEED TO BELIEVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST and WHAT HE TAUGHT and etc .
now dont get too cozy with all men . Epi is far more dangerous than you realize .
DUE TO HE CAN say certain solid truths and YET HE HIMSELF DENIES THE TRUTH of THE TRUE GOSPEL
and allows a lie to be believed upon the lost . as for me
GUESS WHO I AM GONNA REMIND FOLKS of the DIRE NEED TO BELIEVE ON . JESUS THE CHRIST .
cause it dont really matter what one thinks he or she believes or what works they did
THE ONLY NAME THAT CAN SAVE THEM , IS THE CHRIST OF GOD CHRIST JESUS upon whom THEY MUST BELIEVE .
cause the BORN AGAIN DO BELIEVE . and that be a fact .

 

[Episkopos]

You are clearly teachig that a person has to be born again, before they are a Believer.
That you must be born again, before you have Trusted in Christ.

"Born again, without having any faith, so that by being born again, i am given faith in Christ, after im born again".

Yes, i got it....

You and Brightframe and one other member, are teaching. the exact same thing.

From faith to faith means we begin with a human faith...trusting in God...and After we are quickened into life by the Spirit we take on the faith OF Christ...to walk as He walked. Jesus said that even the smallest amount of faith (human faith...no!) could move mountains. Our faith does not give us access into the miraculous and heavenly provision of God...but the faith OF Christ does.

Before faith came.... Paul says (not Pauline) we were kept under the law...and that includes Abraham.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I stand on the Living word of God.

You stand on the written word and can’t back it up with Gods Living word.

lol. Gods written word is alive and powerful.. It is his written word.

Gods Living word backs up His written word.

Spirit gives birth to spirit..the Living word, backed up by the written word.

Born Again of imperishable seed, the Living word, backed up by the written word.

Once again, THIS IS NOT FOUND IN SCRIPTURE?

Is that why you do not want scripture to be his living word. because it does not support you?? Why do you hate his written word so much?

 

[Ritajanice]

IF i didnt love ya i would not have brought you this next reminder .
My dear and loved sister , i seen a love put from you on a mans post
that I KNOW teaches inclusivsm . That i know teaches another gospel .
DONT forget the BORN AGAIN would never believe nor even teach
another gospel , ONLY THE DIRE NEED TO BELIEVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST and WHAT HE TAUGHT and etc .
now dont get too cozy with all men . Epi is far more dangerous than you realize .
DUE TO HE CAN say certain solid truths and YET HE HIMSELF DENIES THE TRUTH of THE TRUE GOSPEL
and allows a lie to be believed upon the lost . as for me
GUESS WHO I AM GONNA REMIND FOLKS of the DIRE NEED TO BELIEVE ON . JESUS THE CHRIST .
cause it dont really matter what one thinks he or she believes or what works they did
THE ONLY NAME THAT CAN SAVE THEM , IS THE CHRIST OF GOD CHRIST JESUS upon whom THEY MUST BELIEVE .
cause the BORN AGAIN DO BELIEVE . and that be a fact .

Well, my beloved Brother, I was led to put that heart emoji, on Epi post, my belief, Epi is as much loved by God as we are.

I understand some of what he posts, some I don’t.....I am a simple Born Again who was Born Again a very simple way by the Living word of God.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

It would do.

If your not born again, It will not do.

 

[Ritajanice]

lol. Gods written word is alive and powerful.. It is his written word.

Once again, THIS IS NOT FOUND IN SCRIPTURE?

Is that why you do not want scripture to be his living word. because it does not support you?? Why do you hate his written word so much?

Are we done yet?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

That is your belief...are we done yet?xx

No

As long as you support a fatalistic view of God. We will never be done..

 

[Ritajanice]

If your not born again, It will not do.

Are you done yet?

Our beliefs are very different...we are not to force our belief on to another.

 

[Ritajanice]

No

As long as you support a fatalistic view of God. We will never be done..

I stand on the Living word of God backed up by his written word.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

No.
Your hatred for Calvinism blinds you to scripture that sustains it.

The reason i hate it so much is because of the scripture. which deny's it

Many who hate Calvinism object to the predestination aspect. Even though Jesus referenced this more than once.

I believe in predestination. Just not the flawed calvinisitic fatalistic view of it.

Many also object to the fact Salvation is eternal and irrevocable.

I do not object to that, Eternal life is eternal. it can not be lost.

If one is a Christian it would seem contradictory to hold just those two objections , when a Christian is eternally irrevocably saved because God called them to his grace.

God called me to his grace.

I just had to chose to say yes God. I want that, Or continue to deny God and continue in unbelief.

 

[amigo de christo]

Well, my beloved Brother, I was led to put that heart emoji, on Epi post, my belief, Epi is as much loved by God as we are.

I understand some of what he posts, some I don’t.....I am a simple Born Again who was Born Again a very simple way by the Living word of God.

oh i am sure you dont know epi near as well as do i . but stil i had to warn . i have seen some of what he teaches .
AND I AM telling ya THE DIRE NEED TO BELIEVE ON JESUS is getting denied .
at best he makes it seem as perhaps maybe just a little bonus . WHEN IN TRUTH ITS A DIRE NECESSITY TO BELEIVE ON HIM .

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Scripture doesn't teach that.

Actually yes it does. Jesus own words say his

When Jesus told Nicodemus he must be born again, Nicodemus, asked, How can these things be.

Jesus told him.

9 Nicodemus answered and said to Him, “How can these things be?”

10 Jesus answered and said to him, “Are you the teacher of Israel, and do not know these things? 11 Most assuredly, I say to you, We speak what We know and testify what We have seen, and you do not receive Our witness. 12 If I have told you earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things? 13 No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man [b]who is in heaven. 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 that whoever believes in Him should [c]not perish but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Jesus told nicodemus, and us how to be born again.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You are clearly teachig that a person has to be born again, before they are a Believer.
That you must be born again, before you have Trusted in Christ.

"Born again, without having any faith, so that by being born again, i am given faith in Christ, after im born again".

Yes, i got it....

You and Brightframe and one other member, are teaching. the exact same thing.

amen

Born again IN SIN.

thats what they preach

 

[Ritajanice]

oh i am sure you dont know epi near as well as do i . but stil i had to warn . i have seen some of what he teaches .
AND I AM telling ya THE DIRE NEED TO BELIEVE ON JESUS is getting denied .
at best he makes it seem as perhaps maybe just a little bonus . WHEN IN TRUTH ITS A DIRE NECESSITY TO BELEIVE ON HIM .

Brother, with all respect you should not be standing in judgement of Epi.

I believe I was led to post that as well,xx