Eternally Grateful
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His written word IS his living word.
As long as you continue to deny this, You continue to deny the written word.
Don;t ask me if I am done when you refuse to recieve the written word and the cross.
Avoiding : The Cults.. #2 : CALVINISM -"TULIP"
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As long as you continue to deny this, You continue to deny the written word.
Don;t ask me if I am done when you refuse to recieve the written word and the cross.
Eternally Grateful
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Epi is a false prophet and leading many to hell.
People need to stand up to him in this chatroom like they have all the chatrooms he has been a part of.
BlessedPeace
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Yes. That you are teaching a doctrine of your own making when you excise parts of scripture you disagree with.
Your system is known as Sophistry.
No one comes to Jesus unless the Father calls them.
A person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit.
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One of the greatest spiritual blessings that God has given to us is that He chose us in Christ before the foundation of the world, to be holy and blameless before Him.
Ritajanice
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Let us all Love each other from the depths of our hearts, just as Jesus Loved us so much, he gave up his Life, so that we can be reconciled back to God.
What a wonderful Glorious God we serve....may you know His Love deep within your hearts, In Jesus Name!...Amen!xx
Galatians 5:22-23
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
What a wonderful Glorious God we serve....may you know His Love deep within your hearts, In Jesus Name!...Amen!xx
Galatians 5:22-23
King James Version
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Yes, and that is "anti-Cross' "Grace Rejecting" Christ insulting : "doctrines of Devils".
Ritajanice
Born-Again
That is your belief, which you are trying to force onto me.
God never forces....all you want to do is continue to force your belief onto me.
I’m not led by religion.i walk in faith...a faith that is Alive and Active.
It’s not happening and will now ignore you, if you quote me again....you don’t understand imo the Living word of God...Goodbye and God Bless,xx
You are confusing Calvinism and TULIP with Truth.
Listen.
Jesus explains your verse... like this.
'If I be lifted up, (on the Cross).. I will DRAW... All people to me".
@BlessedPeace .... do you see the word "ALL"?
That means "ALL".. "everyone"...
Now, notice this verse....that explains the ALL"......>John wrote...>"For God so loved us ALL, (The World) everyone, ALL OF US, the God Gave Jesus, His only Begotten Son, to us ALL, and WHOSOEVER (Anyone and Everyone) = BELIEVES In Jesus, shall not go to Hell (Perish) but HAS eternal (Everlasting) LIFE">
See that ALL?
That is who Jesus died for and God calls = ALL,
Will All believe?
No., and they made that choice., God didnt make it for them.
Ritajanice
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Eternally Grateful
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And no one says otherwise. If y9ou would listen to what people actually say you would see this
Yes, He chose us, Who are us? Those who see and believe, who have recieved him and given the power to become children of God.
If God "chose some to believe" the God forced them to believe, by choosing them to do it.
If God "chose some to not believe" then God forced them to die as a Christ Rejector, so that They could burn in the Lake of Fire.
That is CALVIN's LIE>, (TULIP included).... and many are deceived by this doctrine , and to believe Calvin, is to accuse GOD Falsely.
Eternally Grateful
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I am not trying to force anything on anyone. I am just having a conversation. Its not all about you.; so please stop with your silly falsa accusations
I understand the living word sister.. And you keep falsly accusing me of this stuff.
How do you expect a person to react when they are falsly accused. Just let it slip?
Ritajanice
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Eternally Grateful
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By the way, coming from you this is funny
God forces people to believe by making them born again , and forces them to not believe by not making them born again
But God never forces??
Eternally Grateful
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its amazing they contradict themselves.
Thats what happens when you are in a faulty doctrine, you can;t even see your own contradictory statements
Ritajanice
Born-Again
Love you Behold, Love you Eternally Grateful.
No more from this Lady...xx
No more from this Lady...xx
Eternally Grateful
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Dear Eternally Grateful,
This "idea" comes from God's Word. Shortly after I was converted in 2005, Christ taught me this truth along with many others.
To understand what is involved for a person to be called to be a saint, one must understand the concept of the Early and Latter Rains of the Spirit which James mentions below:
James 5:7 Be patient therefore, brethren, unto the coming of the Lord. Behold, the farmer waiteth for the precious fruit of the earth, and hath long patience for it, until he receives the EARLY and LATTER RAIN. 8 Be ye also patient; stablish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh.
Consider this verse below:
Mat 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen.
In order for an unbeliever to be called to be a saint, Christ must come to them (without their asking or permission) and freely give them the Early Rain of the Spirit. With the Early Rain of the Spirit (Spirit of Faith), the person will have a measure of faith and will call Jesus "Lord" when they are presented the Gospel by the foolishness of preaching.
The Early Rain of the Spirit is what Paul received on the Damascus Road and is when Paul first called Jesus "Lord". We can know that Paul received the Early Rain of the Spirit at that time because of what this verse below teaches:
1Cor 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Spirit.
In this age, Christ will call "many" to be saints but that group of "many" still only represents a small percentage of mankind. Without the Early Rain of the Spirit, an person has no choice but to remain an unbeliever until they die. They were never called to be a saint by Christ.
These verses apply:
Rom 3:10 As it is written, there is none righteous, no, not one: 11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
1Cor 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
From the "many" who receive the Early Rain of the Spirit and are called to be saints, a "few" are chosen to actually become saints before they die.
Look at how Paul addressed His letter to the Corinthian church:
1Cor 1:2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:
Paul says that the Corinthians were "called to be saints". They are a part of the "many" and had only received the Early Rain of the Spirit.
After a person receives the Early Rain of the Spirit and has entered the church, they will remain spiritually blind, carnally minded and unconverted.
If you read Paul's letter to the Corinthians, you will be able to see the struggles that Paul had with them because of their spiritually weak condition. In that condition, the Corinthians only had a carnal understanding of Christ (Christ and Him crucified). They could understand the physical work of Christ, but the spiritual teachings of the New Covenant were veiled to them.
This truth is taught in Mark 8:15-25 and also by Paul's blindness after he received the Early Rain of the Spirit. In this weak condition, new believers need a teacher. That is why Christ made this statement to Paul after Paul was called to be a saint:
Acts 9:6 And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do.
Since all newly called believers are spiritually blind, they are very susceptible to being deceived by Satan. When Satan's deceptions come to a new believer, they will always (100% of the time) accept them. After they do, they will become "apostate":
2Cor 11:4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
Shortly after the death of Paul, the spirit of anti-Christ came into the world and devoured the churches that the Apostles started.
Acts 20:29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. 30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them. 31 Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears.
Since the end of the 1st century, all the churches had become apostate. Nothing has changed even up to today. As I sometimes say "there is one on every corner". They go by many names but they are all under the influence of the spirit of anti-Christ. This deceiving spirit causes them to unknowingly follow Satan (who masquerades as Christ to them) and his false gospel which mixes man's works with faith.
Since Christ has chosen a "few" of the "many" to be saved in this age, Christ will come a second time to those who have been chosen from the foundation of the world. They are the Elect/Bride/First Fruits/Heirs/saints. When Christ comes to them, He will pour out the Latter Rain of the Spirit. With the Latter Rain of the Spirit, their spiritual blindness will be healed and they will "see" the Abomination of Desolation that previously occurred within themselves (Mat 24:15-16). Christ will then remove the spirit of anti-Christ from within them, along with the Great Harlot (the believer's carnality). Both will be cast into the Lake of Fire for destruction. After the believer's judgment is complete, they will be converted from a child of the devil into a child of God.
To summarize: most of mankind has not been called to be saints. Christ will not give them the Early Rain of the Spirit. However, many are called to be saints. They will be given the Early Rain of the Spirit and will enter the church. From this group of "many" who are called, a "few" have been chosen to actually become saints. For them, Christ will "come again" (the second coming of Christ) and pour out the Latter Rain of the Spirit. The Latter Rain of the Spirit will birth the new child of God within the believer. Judgment will then immediately follow the new birth to purify the believer (remove the chaff). The person will then be converted.
This verse applies to conversion:
Jer 18:4 And the vessel that he made of clay was marred in the hand of the potter: so he made it again another vessel, as seemed good to the potter to make it.
Joe
Eternally Grateful
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Sorry, But it most certainly does not
So we just throw the book of John out the window?
I see alot of misrepresented passages here. as well as God being misrepresented
But Paul does not say you are "called to be saved ". as Calvin-Tulip falsely teaches.
Notice also, ...you are 1st """SANCTIFIED "in CHRIST",.. and that precedes,..,= 2nd = the "called to be saints".
Here is how that works.
And example... You have to become a Christian, before you can be called a Saint.
YOU have to believe in Jesus, before you can be born again., Not God believe in Jesus, for you, through you.
Listen,
The Foreknowledge of God "" choses""" those who are in Christ, to be predestined to be conformed into the image of Christ.
See that?
Let me paraphase that, and then i'll teach it as Calvin/Tulip twisted it.
(Paraphrase)... God knew who would believe in Jesus, (FOREKNOWLEDGE) before they were born again "in Christ' ...and once they are "in Christ"= then God has predestined them to become conformed into the image of Christ.
See that? That is ... Foreknowing who is going to believe in JESUS... before you were born , and then predestining those , BECAUSE THEY ARE IN CHRIST, to be conformed into the image of Christ"... (After they die, not down here).
Now Here is Calvinism's-Tulips version.
God predestined you to be chosen to believe in Christ, (or not) before you were born.
See how "God's Foreknowledge" was completely redefined as "pre-destined), = completely redefined by The Calvin-Tulip Society, so that their DOCTRINE changed everything.
They, the Calving=Tulip Group, redefined Fore-Knowing, as Pre-destining.. and they changed the "conformed into the image" that happens to the believer AFTER the DIE.... into.... "God chose (pre-destined) some to Believe in Jesus before they were born.
Incredible rewriting of the verses, into a theology that traps your mind.
Stay away from it , Reader.
Blessings to all! When my Father was here He loved to tell stories. I have no paper in my hand so I will just write what comes to me at this very moment. The once was a man who had had enough. Everything he tried to do had come to nought. He had come to the decision to end it all. So he went out and bought a gun and bullets to go with it. He then rented a room in a motel so that he could end it all. when he got to the motel he saw that it had two beds and a night stand between the beds. So he sat down and loaded the gun and held it in his hand. He was ready. He then started to think about his life and pain that he had endued. He started to cry. He then looked for tissues to use as the tears were flowing down uncontrollably. So he pulled upon the drawer to the night stand and found an open bible and he took it out and started to read. And as he began to read He could feel the words touching his heart more and more. And he thought to himself, "How can this be?" After reading for a little while, he was so overcome with love, he closed the book, and he fell on his knees and cried out to God to save him. "Please help me God, please save me!" It was at that moment a peace and a calm overtook him. He could feel love permeating every fiber of his being and he said, "thank you Lord."
There have been countless stories such as this that has saved a soul. The Lord can use The Living word of God through the lips of a preacher, through the words on a page, or through divine intervention such as on the road to Emanous, to save a soul. The Lord is Eternal, as are His words. " Heaven and earth may pass away, but My words will(shall) never pass away."
There have been countless stories such as this that has saved a soul. The Lord can use The Living word of God through the lips of a preacher, through the words on a page, or through divine intervention such as on the road to Emanous, to save a soul. The Lord is Eternal, as are His words. " Heaven and earth may pass away, but My words will(shall) never pass away."
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