Let's say John owes the bank $8000 for a car.
John's mate Frank receives an inheritance and makes a decision to repay John's debt to the bank on his behalf.
Frank then goes to the bank and pays the debt in full whereby the balance John now owes is zero.
Question
Did the bank forgive John's debt?
Answer
Of course not. The debt was paid in full by Frank.
Now let's say I was to attend seminary and come back and tell the exact same story and go on to ask the exact same question. Would the fact that I attended seminary change the answer?
If not then why do the theologians of our day teach that Jesus "paid the penalty due for our sins" whilst at the same time also teach that "God forgives sins"?
Both cannot be true.
This one root fallacy proves beyond any shadow of a doubt that Penal Substitition is an illogical and absurd teaching. One must throw reason out the window in order to believe that God both forgives sins while punishing them.
Mat 18:23 Therefore is the kingdom of heaven likened unto a certain king, which would take account of his servants.
Mat 18:24 And when he had begun to reckon, one was brought unto him, which owed him ten thousand talents.
Mat 18:25 But forasmuch as he had not to pay, his lord commanded him to be sold, and his wife, and children, and all that he had, and payment to be made.
Mat 18:26 The servant therefore fell down, and worshipped him, saying, Lord, have patience with me, and I will pay thee all.
Mat 18:27 Then the lord of that servant was moved with compassion, and loosed him, and forgave him the debt.
Mat 18:28 But the same servant went out, and found one of his fellowservants, which owed him an hundred pence: and he laid hands on him, and took him by the throat, saying, Pay me that thou owest.
Mat 18:29 And his fellowservant fell down at his feet, and besought him, saying, Have patience with me, and I will pay thee all.
Mat 18:30 And he would not: but went and cast him into prison, till he should pay the debt.
Mat 18:31 So when his fellowservants saw what was done, they were very sorry, and came and told unto their lord all that was done.
Mat 18:32 Then his lord, after that he had called him, said unto him, O thou wicked servant, I forgave thee all that debt, because thou desiredst me:
Mat 18:33 Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellowservant, even as I had pity on thee?
Mat 18:34 And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him.
Mat 18:35 So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.
John's mate Frank receives an inheritance and makes a decision to repay John's debt to the bank on his behalf.
Frank then goes to the bank and pays the debt in full whereby the balance John now owes is zero.
Question
Did the bank forgive John's debt?
Answer
Of course not. The debt was paid in full by Frank.
Now let's say I was to attend seminary and come back and tell the exact same story and go on to ask the exact same question. Would the fact that I attended seminary change the answer?
If not then why do the theologians of our day teach that Jesus "paid the penalty due for our sins" whilst at the same time also teach that "God forgives sins"?
Both cannot be true.
This one root fallacy proves beyond any shadow of a doubt that Penal Substitition is an illogical and absurd teaching. One must throw reason out the window in order to believe that God both forgives sins while punishing them.
Mat 18:23 Therefore is the kingdom of heaven likened unto a certain king, which would take account of his servants.
Mat 18:24 And when he had begun to reckon, one was brought unto him, which owed him ten thousand talents.
Mat 18:25 But forasmuch as he had not to pay, his lord commanded him to be sold, and his wife, and children, and all that he had, and payment to be made.
Mat 18:26 The servant therefore fell down, and worshipped him, saying, Lord, have patience with me, and I will pay thee all.
Mat 18:27 Then the lord of that servant was moved with compassion, and loosed him, and forgave him the debt.
Mat 18:28 But the same servant went out, and found one of his fellowservants, which owed him an hundred pence: and he laid hands on him, and took him by the throat, saying, Pay me that thou owest.
Mat 18:29 And his fellowservant fell down at his feet, and besought him, saying, Have patience with me, and I will pay thee all.
Mat 18:30 And he would not: but went and cast him into prison, till he should pay the debt.
Mat 18:31 So when his fellowservants saw what was done, they were very sorry, and came and told unto their lord all that was done.
Mat 18:32 Then his lord, after that he had called him, said unto him, O thou wicked servant, I forgave thee all that debt, because thou desiredst me:
Mat 18:33 Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellowservant, even as I had pity on thee?
Mat 18:34 And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him.
Mat 18:35 So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.