BAPTIZED IN THE NAME OF CHRIST

[Ronald Nolette]

no the baptism commanded by Jesus Christ the way the truth and the life!

mt. 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

thks

A sacrament is the fruit of the sacrifice of Christ, an outward (visible) sign that signifies what it accomplishes inward spirituality. (invisible) washing away sin by the merits of the blood of Christ!

we cannot have the inward action of grace without the outward sacrament of baptism!

Washing ez 36:25-27 zech 13:1 acts 22:16 titus 3:5

Christian baptism is an outward sign of the inward action of grace, or merits of Christ’s passion, blood, and death applied to our souls!

We cannot see the inward action of grace purifying the soul, so God gave us the outward “sign” of water washing the body to indicate the inward action of grace and connected the two.

The sacraments are signs of God’s grace! The sacraments signify what they accomplish!

The grace of justification in the power of the spirit is manifested by the sign of baptism! Jn 3:5 titus 3:5 water and the Spirit!

Jesus Christ is the sign and the sacrament!

Sorry but one is saved before one receives water baptism. One is baptized in teh Spirit at the moment they trust in the death and resurrection for the full payment of their sins.

 

[PS95]

No. I believe that the Hebrew version of Matthew that Shem-Tob copied is a genuine copy of the original Scripture. Shem Tob did not write the Matthew Gospel in Hebrew, he merely included a copy of it in his treatise - he was including his source, not writing it! George Howard writes in his intorduction:

He {Shem-Tob} revised his work several times - in 1385, around 1400, and even later - by adding another five books or sections to the original twelve. Most manuscripts contain either fifteen or sixteen chapters, not always arranged in the same order. Of the original books, usually the first deals with the principles of the Jewish faith, the next nine deal with passages in the Bible that were disputed by Jews and Christians, the eleventh discusses haggadic sections in the Talmud used by Christians or Jewish proselytes to Christianity, and the twelfth (sometimes thirteenth) contains the entire Gospel of Matthew in Hebrew, with polemical comments by Shem-Tob interspersed throughout the text.​

I know you do. I do not because we have very early evidence to the contrary which I have shown you. The didache and the apostolic fathers.. who quoted it as we have it.

And you ignore the very early evidence (or proof) that the original Matthew 28:19 did not contain the Trinity addition, not to mention the Biblical evidence (in the Bible recorded mentions of baptism, the apostles never baptised according to the corrupted version of Matthew 28:19, implying that Jesus never said what is written in the corrupted Greek version of Matthew).

I ignored nothing. You proof isn't convincing given that the earliest evidence proves otherwise.

In both Romans 11:36 and Colossian 1:16 the word 'through' is translated from the same Greek word dia.

No, that's incorrect. Romans speaking of the Father is dia- (di). In Colossians it is "en" (en: in, on, at, by, with, among)

"For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth,.."- Col 1:16

di comes later in the sentence above-so- we we have both by and through.. and we have through pertaining to the Father as well. There are many prepositions and they interchange.

A spirit being is a living being, as is a creature, but technically a creature is a breathing living being. So yes or no, but probably no. Colossians 1:15 WEB:

(15) who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.​

This could mean that Jesus is a creation of God, or that Jesus is the firstborn over all creation because he created them. He was either a creation of God or he was formed by God by some other means. Consider John 8:42 YLT:

(42) Jesus then said to them, 'If God were your father, ye were loving me, for I came forth from God, and am come; for neither have I come of myself, but He sent me;​

The Greek word that's translated as "came forth" is exerchomai, which can mean "to issue (literally or figuratively): - come-(forth, out), depart (out of), escape, get out, go (abroad, away, forth, out, thence), proceed (forth), spread abroad" (Strong's), or "to go or come out of; to come out; to proceed, emanate" (Mounce). Perhaps Jesus came out from God himself in some way, rather than being created by God.

I lean with your last sentence.-- Jesus stated that He proceeded several times (4?)- and the apostles were surprised at learning something new- and said "now we know that you know all things". They already knew he was sent. That wasn't new.
The Q from human minds then is... when did that happen?- Before time. In eternity.
The earliest church Fathers stated it this way- God from God- Light from Light- Fire from Fire. Picture a candle that is lit. Light another candle with that flame. Same flame- same substance- same "nature"- different candle or person.. but otherwise identical- exact representation- same fire.
That scenario is a picture, of course - I'm not saying a literal reality-- but it is how it was viewed. Not 2 gods but One- Father & Son- a relationship. Some described Him as emanating from God like a beam from the sun. Truth is no one knows for sure- the details..!
What we do know for sure is beautiful though. He came to show us that He is love- to cleanse us and teach us and to save us by His Spirit. Amazing.
The Spirit is a whole other thing- Paul put it this way-

Romans 8
9However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him. 10If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness. 11But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.

There is that oneness/separateness again..

Jesus was in existence before the creation of the universe, because he created it.

Amen- Father & Son created. God created all things. I could never discount the Father from creation.

Very similar - Hebrews 10:5 WEB:

(5) Therefore when he comes into the world, he says, “Sacrifice and offering you didn’t desire, but you prepared a body for me.​

He just had DNA from his mother, and not from a human father. But he had a fairly normal physical human body.

I can't speak to DNA but I understand what you are saying. I imagine if we had the Lord's dna it would be totally fascinating and not like ours. I just believe that Jesus had the nature of His human mother- Mary and the nature of His Father.
How that all works I have no idea. I think it's ok to say we don't know. We don't! I think the arguments begin when we say we do.- pride.
The Word became flesh and dwelt among us- mind blowing. Clearly he was human but I can't believe that He was only human like Adam- because of who His Father is and He recalled coming down from heaven.
Some things we just don't know.. They say- 2 natures- could be. I don't argue over these things.

Yes, of course Jesus existed before God translated him to become a human. He said so in John 8:58 UASV:

(58) Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am. N3​

​

N3: The Greek (ἐγώ εἰμι egō eimi) is “I am.” However, based on grammar and context, an alternative reading could be, “Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham came to be, I have been in existence.”​

Agree

No! Of course I worship my Lord and my King, just as all the angels do - Hebrews 1:6 WEB:

(6) When he again brings in the firstborn into the world he says, “Let all the angels of God worship him.”​

I worship my God and Father too. Romans 8:16-17 WEB:

(16) The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are children of God;​

(17) and if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint heirs with Christ; if indeed we suffer with him, that we may also be glorified with him.​

Romans 8:29 WEB:

(29) For whom he foreknew, he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers.​

Matthew 12:50 WEB:

(50) For whoever does the will of my Father who is in heaven, he is my brother, and sister, and mother.”​

Amen brother.
22Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son. 23Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also.
24Therefore let that abide in you which you heard from the beginning. If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, you also will abide in the Son and in the Father. 25And this is the promise that He has promised us—eternal life.
26These things I have written to you concerning those who try to deceive you. 27But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you]will abide in Him.

Peace be with you-

 

[keithr]

No, that's incorrect. Romans speaking of the Father is dia- (di). In Colossians it is "en" (en: in, on, at, by, with, among)

I was correct! I wrote "In both Romans 11:36 and Colossian 1:16 the word 'through' is translated from the same Greek word dia", i.e.:

Colossians 1:16 UASV

(16) For by {en} him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities, all things have been created through {dia} him and for him.​

Romans 11:36 UASV

(36) For from {ek} him and through {dia} him and to him are all things. To him be glory forever. Amen.​

I can't speak to DNA but I understand what you are saying. I imagine if we had the Lord's dna it would be totally fascinating and not like ours. I just believe that Jesus had the nature of His human mother- Mary and the nature of His Father.
How that all works I have no idea. I think it's ok to say we don't know. We don't! I think the arguments begin when we say we do.- pride.

I believe that Ron Wyatt was telling the truth about his discovery of the Ark of the Covenant, which had Christ's blood on the mercy seat (see Ron Wyatt - The Ark of the Covenant). Ron Wyatt took samples of the blood, and had it analysed. Using an electron microscope it was possible to find the chromosomal content of the blood. It was human blood, but very peculiar.

Normal blood has a total of 46 chromosomes. When a child is conceived, 23 chromosomes come from the mother and 23 come from the father. One of these pairs determines the gender. For this pair, the mother always provides an “X” chromosome (so called because its shape somewhat resembles the letter X). If the father provides an X chromosome then the child will contain the chromosomes XX and will always be female. If the father provides a “Y” chromosome (shaped to some extent like the letter Y) the child will have a chromosome combination of XY and will be male. All eggs produced by the female will be identical, containing only the X chromosome. For her to produce a male offspring the addition of a Y chromosome is necessary.

The blood analysis from the Ark chamber showed a total of only 24 chromosomes. Of these 23 were derived from the mother, and there was one Y chromosome. This indicated that the blood belonged to a male. No human blood like this had ever been known to exist. This evidence shows not only that this was indeed Jesus’ blood, but also confirms the virgin birth! Jesus did not have a human father, the Y chromosome was provided by God’s Holy Spirit (Luke 1:35).

 

[faithhopecharity]

Sorry but one is saved before one receives water baptism. One is baptized in teh Spirit at the moment they trust in the death and resurrection for the full payment of their sins.

please explain
Romans 13:11
And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

and
mk 13:13
mt 10:22
mt 24:13
he who endures to the end shall be saved
and rev 2:10 crown of life to those who endure and overcome

thks

 

[Ronald Nolette]

please explain
Romans 13:11
And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

and
mk 13:13
mt 10:22
mt 24:13
he who endures to the end shall be saved
and rev 2:10 crown of life to those who endure and overcome

thks

Romans 13? Every day our deliverance is closer.

The olivet discourse quote you use? It is in context for trib saints and refusing to do all that the AC commands people to do. A trib saint cannot take the mark or be lost!

Remember this:

All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, but not all Scripture is equally applicable to all.

 

[amigo de christo]

Michael is the JW savior. Jesus is my Savior!

The savoir of even many within the halls and the walls of much of christ endom is NO LONGER THE SAVOIR .
It is another who has come in using the name OF JESUS to promote AN ANTI CHRIST INCLUSIVE RELIGOIN
that all will soon see as love and of GOD and as necessary for world peace .
But here is who its peace b e of and who it was always leading them as one heart right too .
AND BY PEACE SHALL HE DESTROY MANY . HE shall make a covenant with many . AS IN SON OF PERDITION ANTI CHRIST .
we got way big problems in the house .
SIE RELIGION to merge all false religons and all the decieved , all not in the lambs book of life
to merge as a nimrod we are one peoples , WILL SOON BECOME LAW . now when it do its open season against all true sheep
who conformed not to the image of their god WHO NEVER WAS GOD , but they shall beleive IS HIM and follow
his plan of peace . the very ONE WORLD RELIGOIN IS INCLUSIVITY . and it will take them all
Down at their end to the LAKE that burns with fire .

 

[amigo de christo]

Romans 13? Every day our deliverance is closer.

The olivet discourse quote you use? It is in context for trib saints and refusing to do all that the AC commands people to do. A trib saint cannot take the mark or be lost!

Remember this:

All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, but not all Scripture is equally applicable to all.

Look at your last sentence . LOOK at it real c losely .
THIS BE the heart of the one world religoin . YOu do and you believe as you do and i shall do and beleive as i do
BUT HEY EVERONE LETS BE ONE FOR WORLD peace .
Enough with this picking and choosing generation . For many have picked and many have chosen
to SIT UNDER the wrong god . MANY WILL WAIL on JESUS DAY for their utter betrayal to HIM
and their love of this diverse jesus who was NO JESUS .

 

[faithhopecharity]

Romans 13? Every day our deliverance is closer.

The olivet discourse quote you use? It is in context for trib saints and refusing to do all that the AC commands people to do. A trib saint cannot take the mark or be lost!

Remember this:

All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, but not all Scripture is equally applicable to all.

do different people have different requirements for salvation?

 

[PS95]

I was correct! I wrote "In both Romans 11:36 and Colossian 1:16 the word 'through' is translated from the same Greek word dia", i.e.:

Colossians 1:16 UASV

(16) For by {en} him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities, all things have been created through {dia} him and for him.​

Romans 11:36 UASV

(36) For from {ek} him and through {dia} him and to him are all things. To him be glory forever. Amen.​

Keith- You missed my point. I showed that we are both correct depending on which part of the verse you choose.
It says creation was BY and Through Jesus- in Col 1:16.
Some people only focus on the 2nd part of the verse and ignore the first part... They say through and ignore BY.
And they also conveniently ignore that creation is spoken of as THROUGH the Father.
That was my point.

I believe that Ron Wyatt was telling the truth about his discovery of the Ark of the Covenant, which had Christ's blood on the mercy seat (see Ron Wyatt - The Ark of the Covenant). Ron Wyatt took samples of the blood, and had it analysed. Using an electron microscope it was possible to find the chromosomal content of the blood. It was human blood, but very peculiar.

Normal blood has a total of 46 chromosomes. When a child is conceived, 23 chromosomes come from the mother and 23 come from the father. One of these pairs determines the gender. For this pair, the mother always provides an “X” chromosome (so called because its shape somewhat resembles the letter X). If the father provides an X chromosome then the child will contain the chromosomes XX and will always be female. If the father provides a “Y” chromosome (shaped to some extent like the letter Y) the child will have a chromosome combination of XY and will be male. All eggs produced by the female will be identical, containing only the X chromosome. For her to produce a male offspring the addition of a Y chromosome is necessary.

The blood analysis from the Ark chamber showed a total of only 24 chromosomes. Of these 23 were derived from the mother, and there was one Y chromosome. This indicated that the blood belonged to a male. No human blood like this had ever been known to exist. This evidence shows not only that this was indeed Jesus’ blood, but also confirms the virgin birth! Jesus did not have a human father, the Y chromosome was provided by God’s Holy Spirit (Luke 1:35).

We don't agree here. - Are you SDA ?

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[keithr]

Keith- You missed my point. I showed that we are both correct depending on which part of the verse you choose.

And you've missed my point! I said the the word that's translated as 'through' in both verses is in both cases a translation of the same Greek word. You replied and said that was incorrect, but it IS correct.

We don't agree here. - Are you SDA ?

No. Just because I believe somebody that was a Seventh Day Adventist (SDA) doesn't mean that I too must be a SDA!

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I have read the book 'Ark of the Covenant' by Jonathan Gray. He was a international explorer, archaeologist and author who set out to disprove the claims of Ron Wyatt, but after intense investigation, repeated visits to dig sites, and a privileged viewing of evidence and artifacts, he was left totally convinced. It's an enjoyable book to read which has 5 star reviews on Amazon (Ark of the Covenant - paperback) - I recommend it.

 

[shepherdsword]

I believe that Ron Wyatt was telling the truth about his discovery of the Ark of the Covenant, which had Christ's blood on the mercy seat (see Ron Wyatt - The Ark of the Covenant). Ron Wyatt took samples of the blood, and had it analysed. Using an electron microscope it was possible to find the chromosomal content of the blood. It was human blood, but very peculiar.

This is total fabrication. He could not produce the lab results for an independent peer review.

Normal blood has a total of 46 chromosomes. When a child is conceived, 23 chromosomes come from the mother and 23 come from the father. One of these pairs determines the gender. For this pair, the mother always provides an “X” chromosome (so called because its shape somewhat resembles the letter X). If the father provides an X chromosome then the child will contain the chromosomes XX and will always be female. If the father provides a “Y” chromosome (shaped to some extent like the letter Y) the child will have a chromosome combination of XY and will be male. All eggs produced by the female will be identical, containing only the X chromosome. For her to produce a male offspring the addition of a Y chromosome is necessary.

The blood analysis from the Ark chamber showed a total of only 24 chromosomes. Of these 23 were derived from the mother, and there was one Y chromosome. This indicated that the blood belonged to a male. No human blood like this had ever been known to exist. This evidence shows not only that this was indeed Jesus’ blood, but also confirms the virgin birth! Jesus did not have a human father, the Y chromosome was provided by God’s Holy Spirit (Luke 1:35).

A human being cannot be viable with only 23 chromosomes. This is more unsubstantiated claims by Wyatt. While Jesus was the product of a virgin birth, God provided the other 23 pairs. I would not put much stock in his claims.

 

[keithr]

A human being cannot be viable with only 23 chromosomes.

How do you know that? Just because it's not how mankind normally procreates it does not mean that God cannot create a man with 23 chromosomes. Jesus did not have a human father. God could have supplied 23 chromosomes or just one. God designed and made man, He knows whether or not a man can exist normally with 23 chromosomes.

Mark 10:27 WEB

(27) Jesus, looking at them, said, “With men it is impossible, but not with God, for all things are possible with God.”​

 

[shepherdsword]

How do you know that? Just because it's not how mankind normally procreates it does not mean that God cannot create a man with 23 chromosomes. Jesus did not have a human father. God could have supplied 23 chromosomes or just one. God designed and made man, He knows whether or not a man can exist normally with 23 chromosomes.

Mark 10:27 WEB

(27) Jesus, looking at them, said, “With men it is impossible, but not with God, for all things are possible with God.”​

He is asking us to believe that the Y chromosome was supernaturally added without providing the other 22. That doesn't make any sense. Wyatt couldn't prove that the sample had only 23 chromosomes. His lab results need to be peer reviewed and he could not produce them.

 

[amigo de christo]

do different people have different requirements for salvation?

Friend if you think that is bad , take a peek at what a harlots l ove has claimed .
That ALL RELIGOINS are serving the same GOD a christain does .
SO it seems YOU DID ask a real good question , cause more and more seem to beleive
GOD is okay with islam , buddism , taoism and any other ism .
SOMEONE is and is being DENIED by a harlots love she calls ecumenincal interfaith .
My question now is
WHY ON earth would any one in wool BE finding common ground WITH THAT .
A harlot knows how to dress and to alure all . A harlots love is deadly .
And she sure can say MY FATHER IS LOVE , GOD IS LOVE , but her Father be NOT GOD nor d oes
she speak His Truth , HIS love . SHE is liar . Her reli goin to unite all religoins as one
IS INCLUSVISM . THE ONE WORLD RELIGION is INCLUSIVISM .
My advice , WE FLEE ANY appearance of it and warn all to go and do likewise .

 

[faithhopecharity]

Friend if you think that is bad , take a peek at what a harlots l ove has claimed .
That ALL RELIGOINS are serving the same GOD a christain does .
SO it seems YOU DID ask a real good question , cause more and more seem to beleive
GOD is okay with islam , buddism , taoism and any other ism .
SOMEONE is and is being DENIED by a harlots love she calls ecumenincal interfaith .
My question now is
WHY ON earth would any one in wool BE finding common ground WITH THAT .
A harlot knows how to dress and to alure all . A harlots love is deadly .
And she sure can say MY FATHER IS LOVE , GOD IS LOVE , but her Father be NOT GOD nor d oes
she speak His Truth , HIS love . SHE is liar . Her reli goin to unite all religoins as one
IS INCLUSVISM . THE ONE WORLD RELIGION is INCLUSIVISM .
My advice , WE FLEE ANY appearance of it and warn all to go and do likewise .

Jn 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

acts 4:12
Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

Lk 2:10-11
10 And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people.

11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.

Jn 1:29
The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

eph 4:5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism!

One Lord!

One savior!

One covenant!

Amen?

 

[PS95]

And you've missed my point! I said the the word that's translated as 'through' in both verses is in both cases a translation of the same Greek word. You replied and said that was incorrect, but it IS correct.

Keith- this just again shows that you don't read my posts before you comment-
I will quote myself below from Post # 42

No, that's incorrect. Romans speaking of the Father is dia- (di). In Colossians it is "en" (en: in, on, at, by, with, among)

"For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth,.."- Col 1:16

di comes later in the sentence above-so- we we have both by and through.. and we have through pertaining to the Father as well. There are many prepositions and they interchange.

No. Just because I believe somebody that was a Seventh Day Adventist (SDA) doesn't mean that I too must be a SDA!

No, It doesn't- but you do sound like them in a couple ways.
- Whatever!-

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Look at your last sentence . LOOK at it real c losely .
THIS BE the heart of the one world religoin . YOu do and you believe as you do and i shall do and beleive as i do
BUT HEY EVERONE LETS BE ONE FOR WORLD peace .
Enough with this picking and choosing generation . For many have picked and many have chosen
to SIT UNDER the wrong god . MANY WILL WAIL on JESUS DAY for their utter betrayal to HIM
and their love of this diverse jesus who was NO JESUS .

No it is not the heart of teh one world religion. Tell me are you under the command to not eat pork or scaleless fish? Or not eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil?

Are you under the command to obey your husband? Get circumcised?

 

[Ronald Nolette]

do different people have different requirements for salvation?

Nope! all must trust in the death and resurrection of Jesus for their sin debt.

 

[faithhopecharity]

Nope! all must trust in the death and resurrection of Jesus for their sin debt.

when was saul saved?

thks

 

[Ronald Nolette]

when was saul saved?

thks

When He trusted in teh death and resurrection of Jesus for His sins. I cannot give you a date or time.