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I also think we assume Jesus said things he never actually said.I like this. I think Jesus says a lot of things that we are tempted to dissmiss today.
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I also think we assume Jesus said things he never actually said.I like this. I think Jesus says a lot of things that we are tempted to dissmiss today.
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Matthew 5:48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
- Matthew Five:48 quotes Jesus Christ as saying, “Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.” Due to many interpretations of perfection, what perfect really means, or what the term implies, some may struggle with the best way to assimilate such counsel or commandment.
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PSALMS 37:37 KJV "Mark the perfect man, and behold the upright: for the end of that man is peace." (kingjamesbibleonline.org)
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I am encouraging you to interpret a passage of scripture correctly.
We are to seek after the things of the spirit. we are to Love, because God first loved us.. I am not suggesting you should not do it.
I am suggesting you should humble yourself and not think you have finished running the race (Paul admitted at the end of his life he has not yet done this) and now love perfectly (sinless perfection). remember, Anything not done in love is sin.
so you are going to sit there and tell me you are perfect and have no sin?God bless you
Thank you for encouraging me to do good things and to love.
"I am suggesting you should humble yourself and not think you have finished running the race"
I am humble and I am not perfect, and I have not finished running the race.
I cannot "love perfectly" if I do not know what this is by your definition as it is not a biblical.
Interestingly John uses the term perfect love
There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment.
The one who fears is not made perfect in love.
1 John 4:18
John talks about love being in a believer and shows itself or is not love of God.
I could read from this Gods love is in the heart of every believer, so its not something one has
to work on, rather how it is expressed.
We know that we live in him and he in us, because he has given us of his Spirit.
1 John 4:13
Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God.
1 John 4:7
John uses very inclusive language, I believe to distinguish from unloving believers who claim
to also know God. He is simply saying to not know love is to not know God.
This makes sense because not all people who love know Jesus or believe in Him, so the idea
that everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God does not work.
If one took this literally all humanists who love and do good works for people know God.
This is why context is an important tool of understanding the writer and over-riding assumptions
which they assume the reader is taking into account.
Hi Grailhunter, Thank you for the encouragement, Our faith walk with Christ is to follow what He left for us to His example: 1 Peter 2:18-25 KJV“Therefore you are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect."
There are a few scriptures like this that leave us scratching our heads. And this has been the subject of commentaries and debates. Some will say, we can be perfected....but we cannot be perfect....but all things are possible with the Lord. It is a statement that appeals to those that believe that, if it makes no sense, it is certainly of God.
As it is written there is no explaination for it, in the present tense. But are we to be perfect in heaven? But the scripture does not get into that. It is a speculation.
There are scriptures that address Christian perfection, but not in this context.
What Does the Bible Say About Perfectionism?
And I have an explaination for what and why Christians are perfected....for what it is worth. It comes from prophetic preacher....name Roland Buck....a Holy Ghost preacher.
Yahweh is perfect and intolerant to imperfection and sin....That is why in the Old Testament He separated Himself from mankind in one way or the another, it may have been like the Holy of Holies or a vail or distance...."You shall set bounds for the people all around, saying, ‘Beware that you do not go up on the mountain or touch the border of it; whoever touches the mountain shall surely be put to death."....no tolerance in the Old Testament....Old Covenant and it is still true in the New Covenant. The New Covenant did not change Yahweh. 613 Mosaic Laws and if you broke one, you broke them all. Which meant you were out... the best you could hope for was the escape goat ritual, because the blood of goats and sheep could not forgive sins....the best that the blood of animals could do was to fore go the wrath of Yahweh.
So then as Pastor Roland explained....When Christ died on the cross the vail that separated Man from God was torn in two. But still Yahweh was not changed and we were not changed...."If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness".... But this does not change our "sin nature" We are not perfect and we are sinners. And on Judgment Day....we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad...
But as far as our relationship with Yahweh, we are made perfect by the Grace of Yeshua, not inwardly, but outwardly. Pastor Roland explains it is like a white cloak of perfection and all that Yahweh sees is this perfection bestowed upon us by the ultimate and perfect sacrifice of Christ. In this way we are no longer separated from Yahweh and can have a relationship with Him. As the Apostle Paul said, In the New Covenant we are adopted into the family of God. "To redeem those who were under the law, so that we might receive adoption as sons. And because you are sons, God has sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, crying, “Abba! Father!” So you are no longer a slave, but a son, and if a son, then an heir through God."....there are several scriptures on this.... What Does the Bible Say About Adoption?
So Yahweh does not see our sins or our sin nature. In the New Covenant our sins are between us and Christ and He has the authority to forgive our sins. Repent and ask Yeshua to forgive us.
Be good and do good....God bless.
I like this. I think Jesus says a lot of things that we are tempted to dissmiss today.
so you are going to sit there and tell me you are perfect and have no sin?