Believe in Christ and Be Saved ?

[amigo de christo]

The without obeying part (no works) confirms a spurious belief. Faith without works is dead. (James 2:14-20)

Of course, the demons continue to obey Satan. Their trust and reliance are in Satan (and not in Jesus Christ) as demonstrated by their rebellion in heaven and continuous evil works. Even though demons are not human, they are still capable of "mental assent" belief.

Show me the word "saved" in verse 13 and I will show you a shallow, temporary belief that has no root, lacks moisture, produces not fruit and withers away. No spiritual life. (Matthew 13:20-21; Mark 4:5-6; Luke 8:6,13)

Speculation. Scripture says - When trouble or persecution comes because of the word, they quickly fall away. (Matthew 13:21) If they were Christians, then they would not have quickly fallen away, which demonstrates an emotional response to the gospel and a shallow belief.

More speculation. The quality of their believing was the problem. Their heart condition is contrasted with that of the "good ground" hearer in the 4th soil, who's heart was good and honest. Thus, his heart was not "good," being like the soil to which it corresponds, being "shallow" or "rocky," lacking sufficient depth. Such soil represents a sinner not properly prepared in heart. People who "believe" and "rejoice" at the preaching of the gospel without a prepared heart, and without a good and honest heart, and without having root in themselves, do not experience real salvation. Unlike saving belief, temporary, shallow belief is not rooted in a regenerate heart. How can no depth of earth, no root, no moisture, no fruit, represent saving belief? It doesn't.

The gospel is under attack but the sheep shall not heed a word one from the mouth of these people .
To the trenches and point to Christ JESUS to the last breath utters out those lungs .

 

[JLB]

Speculation. Scripture says - When trouble or persecution comes because of the word, they quickly fall away. (Matthew 13:21) If they were Christians, then they would not have quickly fallen away, which demonstrates an emotional response to the gospel and a shallow belief.

If they were Christians, then they would not have quickly fallen away,

Jews persecuted Christians to get them to turn away from Christ, back to Judaism.

 

[mailmandan]

Jews persecuted Christians to get them to turn away from Christ, back to Judaism.

If faith is not firmly rooted and established then they are easy prey. Genuine Christians remain. "Nominal" Christians turn back when they only had one foot out the door.

 

[amigo de christo]

If faith is not firmly rooted and established then they are easy prey. Genuine Christians remain. "Nominal" Christians turn back when they only had one foot out the door.

Preach JESUS to the last breath my friend . The one true gospel of ye must believe in Christ JESUS
to be saved is under attack more now than ever by many nominal christains as well .

 

[amigo de christo]

Jews persecuted Christians to get them to turn away from Christ, back to Judaism.

Marvel not if the WORLD hate you , IT HATED ME FIRST .
True sheep will not bend the knee to the inclusive harlot by either her smooth love speeches
nor even threat of life . All not in the lambs book of life will bend the knee to the love god and his whore
and her broad path all inclusive road . LET all who name the name of Christ
be in no way a co helper to or a supporter of her ecumenical interfaith cup of anti christ . just a friendly
reminder for us all .

 

[Taken]

According to the words of Christ;

Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days: ‘The sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.’

Who is the believer now? those who listen to his words or you who believe something else?

The Tribulation of THOSE days..IS the 7 Seal Judgements, of The Lamb of God.

Immediately AFTER THOSE Judgements, the sun will be darkened…
And So?
What does THAT have to Do With THE Raptured? Nothing.

What does THAT have to Do with ALL (believers Or nonbelievers) ON the Earth?
THEY on Earth WILL BE IN Darkness.
THEY on Earth WILL SEE Stars falling from Heaven.

Who has said otherwise?

 

[LoveYeshua]

The Tribulation of THOSE days..IS the 7 Seal Judgements, of The Lamb of God.

Immediately AFTER THOSE Judgements, the sun will be darkened…
And So?
What does THAT have to Do With THE Raptured? Nothing.

What does THAT have to Do with ALL (believers Or nonbelievers) ON the Earth?
THEY on Earth WILL BE IN Darkness.
THEY on Earth WILL SEE Stars falling from Heaven.

Who has said otherwise?

Jesus did ! read the rest of the verse they go tothether and trying to figure out what happens with one verse is FLAWED here is why

Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days: ‘The sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.’

Mat 24:30 At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and all the tribes of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.

Mat 24:31 And He will send out His angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather His elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.

In the New Testament, "elect" is frequently used to describe those whom God has chosen for salvation, often emphasizing God’s initiative and grace in the process.

Matthew 24:31 – "And he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other." Here, the elect are those whom God gathers at the end of time.
Romans 8:33 – "Who shall bring any charge against God's elect? It is God who justifies." This speaks to the security and divine favor of those chosen by God.
1 Peter 1:1-2 – "Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who are elect exiles of the dispersion in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in the sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience to Jesus Christ and for sprinkling with his blood: May grace and peace be multiplied to you."
Here, "elect exiles" refers to Christians who have been chosen by God and are living as strangers in a world that is not their home (often due to persecution or exile).

 

[Taken]

Jesus did ! read the rest of the verse they go tothether and trying to figure out what happens with one verse is FLAWED here is why…

No Jesus did not say Otherwise.

Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days: ‘The sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky,

Same I said.

and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.’

Who said THAT Will NOT Happen?

Mat 24:30 At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven,

Who said THAT will NOT happen?

and all the tribes of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.

Yep… all revealed in Revelations.
Yep… They ON the Earth WILL SEE the sign of the Son of man sitting on a white cloud…
What men ON earth WILL NOT SEE, IS His angels gathering or His Raptured Saints With Him.

Mat 24:31 And He will send out His angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather His elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.

Yep…all revealed in Revelations.

The saved during the Trib ARE Gathered Together.

Who said otherwise?

 

[amigo de christo]

Jesus did ! read the rest of the verse they go tothether and trying to figure out what happens with one verse is FLAWED here is why

Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days: ‘The sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.’

Mat 24:30 At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and all the tribes of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.

Mat 24:31 And He will send out His angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather His elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.

In the New Testament, "elect" is frequently used to describe those whom God has chosen for salvation, often emphasizing God’s initiative and grace in the process.

Matthew 24:31 – "And he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other." Here, the elect are those whom God gathers at the end of time.
Romans 8:33 – "Who shall bring any charge against God's elect? It is God who justifies." This speaks to the security and divine favor of those chosen by God.
1 Peter 1:1-2 – "Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who are elect exiles of the dispersion in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in the sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience to Jesus Christ and for sprinkling with his blood: May grace and peace be multiplied to you."
Here, "elect exiles" refers to Christians who have been chosen by God and are living as strangers in a world that is not their home (often due to persecution or exile).

 

[amigo de christo]

If faith is not firmly rooted and established then they are easy prey. Genuine Christians remain. "Nominal" Christians turn back when they only had one foot out the door.