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Beyond The Four Spiritual Laws

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    92) 1Cor 9:7-12 . .Who serves as a soldier at his own expense? Who plants
    a vineyard and does not eat of its grapes? Who tends a flock and does not
    drink of the milk? Do I say this merely from a human point of view? Doesn't
    the Law say the same thing? For it is written in the Law of Moses: Do not
    muzzle an ox while it is treading out the grain. Is it about oxen that God is

    . . . Surely he says this for us, doesn't He? Yes, this was written for us,
    because when the plowman plows and the thresher threshes, they ought to
    do so in anticipation of sharing in the harvest. If we have sown spiritual seed
    among you, is it too much if we reap a material harvest from you?

    Detractors sometimes find it necessary to criticize the Bible's Jesus for free-
    loading and imposing on people's hospitality wherever he went. But when
    you think about it; the Lord earned every so-called free meal he ever got.
    His miracles healed and/or cured thousands of people in Israel during a time
    when health care and medical technology were all but non-existent. His
    countrymen owed the Lord a huge national debt of gratitude; just as the
    Hmong family next door owed Walt Kowalski a debt of gratitude for
    protecting them from gang-bangers in Clint Eastwood's movie Gran Torino.

    93) 1Cor 9:13-14 . . Don't you know that those who work in the Temple get
    their food from the temple, and those who serve at the Altar share in what is
    offered on the altar? In the same way, The Lord has commanded that those
    who preach the gospel should receive their living from the gospel.

    The above refers to the Levitical priests. They aren't allowed to own land
    where they could provide themselves sustenance by working their own
    farms. It's God's decree that a number of the sacrifices and offerings that
    the priesthood's constituents bring are dedicated to not just sustaining a
    friendly association with God, but also to nourishing the priests. (e.g. Ex
    29:31-32, Lev 2:1-10, Lev 7:11-15)

    NOTE: The Watch Tower Society-- a.k.a. Jehovah's Witnesses --posits that
    Jesus' crucified body is still dead and squirreled away somewhere on earth in
    a condition, and in a location, known only to God because to revive it and
    take it to heaven would constitute removing a sacrifice from the altar; a
    rather spurious theory seeing as how the ultimate sacrifices-- Yom Kippur's,
    which Christ's sacrifice supersedes --aren't offered on an altar; no, their remains
    are supposed to be hauled off and incinerated somewhere outside city limits.
    (cf. Lev 16:27, Heb 8:3-5, Heb 13:10-12)

    Anyway: pitch in and help provide your church's full-time pastor with
    a decent standard of living. This is not optional; no, it's something that "the
    Lord has commanded."

    94) 1Cor 9:24-25 . . Do you not know that in a race all the runners run, but
    only one gets the prize? Run in such a way as to get the prize. Everyone who
    competes in the games goes into strict training. They do it to get a crown
    that will not last; but we do it to get a crown that will last forever.

    The "prize" that Olympians won back in those days wasn't much. No medals:
    just a simple garland for the head consisting of a wreath made with wild
    olive leaves from a sacred tree near the temple of Zeus at Olympia. In time
    the leaves dried out and crumbled.

    The important thing to note in 1Cor 9:24-25 is that the prize isn't a pass into
    the kingdom of God. No; the prize is an award rather than a wage; and
    there is more than one kind; e.g. Php 4:1, 1Tim 4:8, Jas 1:12, 1Pet 5:4, Rev

    95) 1Cor 10:6-7 . . Do not be idolaters, as some of them were; as it is
    written: The people sat down to eat and drink and got up to play.

    The Bible doesn't provide much detail at Ex 32:1-6 as to what went on in
    camp while Moses was up on the mountain. But one thing we know for sure
    is that there was a golden calf; and the "eat and drink" to which the apostle
    refers was a ritual where people sacrificed to the calf and afterwards
    consumed the sacrifice as an act of communion with it; sort of like an old
    fashioned Passover.

    "to play" in Ex 32:6 is from the Hebrew word tsachaq (tsaw-khak') which
    means: merriment; viz: pagan songs and dances dedicated to the calf; a
    kind of worship revelry; the likes of which in the ancient city of Corinth no
    doubt culminated in a drunken orgy. Apparently some of the religions in the
    Roman world were pretty wild and sensual, and as a result; very popular. In
    comparison; Christianity was dull and boring. Those pagan religions really
    gave you your money's worth, while Christianity has very little to offer in the
    way of entertainment, except maybe for Catholicism. David Letterman says
    they put on a pretty good show.

    96) 1Cor 10:8 . . Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them
    committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand.

    That event took place at Num 25:1-9. The fornication he's talking about
    wasn't believers with believers. It was believers with unbelievers. In other
    words; Christ's followers need to avoid getting romantic with unbelievers lest
    unbelievers lead his followers down the primrose path into something
    shameful and very unbecoming.

    97) 1Cor 10:9 . .We should not test the Lord, as some of them did-- and
    were slain by snakes.

    That event took place at Num 21:5-9. It's noteworthy due to the fact that
    Christ appropriated it at John 3:14-18 to illustrate the necessity, and the
    efficacy, of his crucifixion. But anyway, the lesson is that it's not a good idea
    to complain about the quality of God's providence.

    NOTE: Providence is valuable not only as a source for one's needs; but also
    protection from one's own stupidity. For example: with the help of God's
    intervention, a few of the Old Testament saints dodged some pretty big
    bullets of their own making.

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    98) 1Cor 10:10 . . And do not grumble, as some of them did-- and were
    killed by the destroying angel.

    That incident took place at Num 14:2-38. The "grumbling" grew into a pretty
    large anti-God protest. Anon it became violent and within a hair's breadth of
    culminating in Joshua's and Caleb's assassination. That was a very grave
    moment in Israel's history.

    Anyway, Yhvh's people were of the opinion that God had led them out of the
    frying pan into the fire by assigning them an impossible task; one that would
    result in everybody's deaths had they attempted to obey His orders; viz: a
    suicide mission. Joshua and Caleb tried to convince them it wasn't a suicide
    mission; and that with God on their side; they would not only survive; but
    easily succeed. They refused to listen; and thus became resolutely

    Now; the obvious fatal error in their thinking was simply a lack of belief that
    God would assist them to conquer the land. In point of fact, they didn't
    believe God was able to in spite of all His amazing displays of supernatural
    power in rescuing them from Egyptian slavery; and that's what made their
    unbelief all the more inexcusable. Most of us today have never seen God in
    action; we've only heard tell of His exploits; but Yhvh's people were

    Putting this in a modern context:

    New Christians are often led to believe that accepting Christ will improve
    their mood and remedy their circumstances. Well; apparently somebody
    neglected to tell them that they would have to fight for it, i.e. in order to
    obtain the fruit of the Spirit spoken of at Gal 5:22-23 they would have to
    knuckle down and live a life pleasing to both God and Christ; viz: comply
    with their wishes. (John 14:23, John 15:11)

    I'm sure you can see how easy it would be for a new Christian to become
    disillusioned, disappointed, and somewhat bitter at being seemingly tricked
    into something that turns out to be too good to be true-- then they get to
    complaining that a number of Christ's commandments are too difficult.
    Nobody can keep them so what's the point in even trying.

    Well; that complaint is reasonable, I'll admit; but it's also insubordinate; and
    worse; it's contagious. If they want to give up trying to comply with the
    Lord's wishes; fine; but they really ought to keep their discontent with his
    wishes to themselves in order to avoid kindling large-scale rebellion and
    discontent in the ranks; which will quite effectively end up thwarting their
    church's work for the Lord.

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    99) 1Cor 10:11-12 . .These things happened to them as examples and
    were written down as warnings for us, on whom the fulfillment of the ages
    has come. So, if you think you are standing firm, be careful that you don't fall.

    Their substandard walk with God didn't bring about the return of Yhvh's
    people to Egypt; no, "once saved always saved" applied to them as well as
    to us. However, their conduct did cause them to "fall" that is: fall out of
    favor with God.

    That's a risk even for born-again Christians whose destiny in heaven is a
    sure thing; iron clad and set in concrete. The good shepherd's sheep will
    never again be in danger of eternal suffering; but they are always in danger
    of losing out on the benefits of providence due to conduct unbecoming.

    100) 1Cor 10:14 . .Therefore, my dear friends, flee from idolatry.

    There's that word "flee" again; which in many of its applications in the New
    Testament means to run for your life. So you can see that idolatry can have
    very serious consequences.

    There's more to idolatry than just bowing and/or praying to sculpture and
    art. It's possible to be an idolater without even being especially religious.

    Col 3:5 . . Don't be greedy for the good things of this life; for that is

    Greed then, is one of the characteristics of an idolater. In other words:
    idolatry is a personality issue rather than only a religious issue. Even
    atheists qualify as idolaters if they have a greedy personality; e.g. Wall
    Street's investment bankers and commodities traders. Their "golden calf" is

    It's okay to want the good things in life: after all; God has given us richly all
    things to enjoy (1Tim 6:17). It's the insatiable desire for good things that
    makes people idolaters; in other words avarice; which is never content; no,
    avarice always wants more, more, more, more, and then some. Nowhere is
    that more rampant than corporate greed which will walk over the dead
    bodies of its employees if that's what it takes for a better quarterly report.

    I'm not exaggerating. Made-in-China goods merchant
    WALMART used to
    take out life insurance policies on its employees-- not for the families; but
    for itself. In other words; it named itself the beneficiary on those employee
    life insurance policies so that when one died, they recovered some of the
    wages and benefits they had to pay the employee while they were alive and
    working for them.

    The policies are called
    COLI (corporate-owned life insurance) policies. But
    they're better known in the insurance industry as "dead peasant" and/or
    "dead janitor" policies.

    WALMART isn't the only big business doing this sort of thing. An attorney for
    the Hartford Life Insurance Co. estimates that one-fourth of the Fortune 500
    companies have them, which cover the lives of between 5 million and 6
    million workers.

    COLI policies seem to me a ghoulish way to make a buck; but then it should
    surprise no one that idolaters have no sensibilities to speak of seeing as how
    they revere not God, but rather the power, the prestige, and the comforts of

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    101) 1Cor 10:24 . . Nobody should seek only his own good, but also the
    good of others.

    That's not saying it's wrong to seek your own good; just wrong to seek it at
    the expense of others' good; viz: selfish ambition might be an acceptable
    modus operandi in professional sports and big business; but it's totally
    unacceptable in one's association with other believers. And there is nothing
    new in that; I mean after all; it's just another way of expressing the so
    called golden rule; which states: "All things whatsoever ye would that men
    should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the
    prophets. (Matt 7:12)

    It's interesting to note that if people weren't so hard-hearted; there would
    be no need for laws that force people to do right by their fellow man.

    I once took a city slicker friend out shooting in the Oregon woods with a
    cowboy style six-gun. In typical wrangler fashion he yelled yahoo and fired
    the six-gun up into the air before I could stop him. It then became
    necessary for me to remind my friend that bullets eventually come down and
    can quite possibly hit someone off in the distance; maybe even a child.
    Drive-by shooters know this, but they're typically psychopathic so it's to be
    expected they don't care where their bullets go. However, I should hope no
    Christian reading this is psychopathic; but will think about their words and
    actions before those words and actions impact an innocent person's life in a
    way that's not easily repaired.

    102) 1Cor 10:25-26 . . Eat anything sold in the meat market without
    raising questions of conscience, for the earth is The Lord's, and everything in

    A percentage of the meat sold by vendors in Corinth was either blessed by,
    or dedicated to, heathen deities. Paul instructed his friends to avoid asking
    which was which since it doesn't matter to the Bible's God if the foods
    Christians ingest are religiously tainted without their knowledge: and since
    it's the Lord's earth, then if He says it's okay; then it's okay.

    103) 1Cor 10:27 . . If an unbeliever invites you to a meal and you want to
    go, eat whatever is put before you without raising questions of conscience.

    In other words, this is one of those Don't-Ask-Don't-Tell situations.

    104) 1Cor 10:27-29 . . But if anyone says to you "This has been offered in
    sacrifice" then do not eat it, both for the sake of the man who told you and
    for conscience' sake-- the other man's conscience, I mean, not yours.

    If you go ahead and dine in someone's home where you know in advance
    the food is either dedicated to, or blessed by, a heathen deity, or that when
    they say grace around the table it will be to a god other than your own, or to
    a sacred personage that you do not accept; then your host is quite possibly
    going to come to the conclusion that his religion is just as valid as yours if
    you don't decline.

    This is not saying that Catholics and Protestants can't eat together and/or
    pray together around the table; nor is it saying that Christians and Jews
    can't eat together and pray together around the table: not when Catholics,
    Protestants, and Jews are all praying to the same God: just from a different

    I will say this though: if you are a Catholic host, and your guests are either
    Protestants or Jews; then for God's sake DO NOT pray around the table to
    the Lord's mom and/or to one of Catholicism's many patron saints. That is
    extremely offensive to Protestants and Jews, and totally unnecessary
    anyway when you can just as easily say grace to the one God common to all
    of you.

    105) 1Cor 10:31 . . So whether you eat or drink or whatever you do, do it
    all for the glory of God.

    One of the meanings of the Greek word for glory is "honor" which in this
    case can be defined as doing something out of respect for someone admired.

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    106) 1Cor 10:32-33 . . Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the
    Gentiles, nor to the church of God: even as I please all men in all things, not
    seeking mine own profit, but the profit of many, that they may be saved.

    Some Christians have a really nasty propensity of taking advantage of every
    opportunity to ridicule Judaism's beliefs and practices. God forbid! Don't ever
    forget the lord and master of Christianity is a Jew, a son of Abraham, Isaac.
    and Jacob; and takes those kinds of insults very personal. If you don't
    believe me just feast your glims on Matt 25:31-46 where the sole criteria
    determining which Tribulation survivors go to hell or enter the kingdom is
    how they treated the Lord's countrymen.

    107) 1Cor 11:1 . . Follow my example, as I follow the example of Christ.

    In the Catholic religion, a "saint" is a role model for others. Well, 1Cor 11:1
    lists two models for everyone regardless of their denominational affiliation:
    Mr. Paul, and his master Messiah Jesus.

    John 13:14-15 . . If I then, your Master and Mentor, have washed your
    feet, you also ought to wash one another's feet. For I have given you an
    example, that you should do as I have done to you.

    Here in the USA people sort of look down on service occupations; for
    example housekeepers, sweat-shop seamstresses, yard maintenance, car
    washers, gas pump attendants, and fast food and farm labor. But yet those
    are very good examples of the proper attitude. It's ironic that capitalists-- by
    means of predation, exploitation, plunder, and profits --strive to be on top;
    while Christians are supposed to be striving to marginalize all that the
    capitalist values and be down low.

    Matt 5:3 . . Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of

    Matt 5:5 . . Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.

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    108) 1Cor 11:3 . . But I would have you know, that the head of every man
    is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is

    It never seems to fail that somebody will actually attempt to refute Paul's
    statement by quoting another of his own statements.

    "You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus, for all of you who were
    baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. There is neither Jew
    nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ
    Jesus." (Gal 3:26-28)

    (chuckle) Paul pitted against Paul; the clash of the titans, only in this event,
    both titans are one and the same titan. Yes, both genders are one in Christ;
    but then Jesus and God are one also, yet there is a hierarchy in the Divinity
    because "the head of Christ is God"

    109) 1Cor 11:4-5a . . Every man who prays or prophesies with his head
    covered disrespects his head. And every woman who prays or prophesies
    with her head uncovered disrespects her head

    That's a little tricky seeing as how the word "head" can refer to somebody's
    skull, and it can also refer to somebody's superior. So to clarify this a bit,
    I'm going to revise some of the above a little.

    "Every man who prays or prophesies with his head covered disrespects
    Christ. And every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered
    disrespects men."

    Christian women aren't required to cover their hair all the time; only
    whenever they pray and/or prophesy; especially in the presence of men.

    No doubt this chafes a number of women whose heart's ambition and joy is
    to demean men and assert their independence, but if they don't want to
    cover their hair when praying and/or prophesying out of respect for men,
    then they should at least woman-up and do it out of respect for Christ's
    feelings about it.

    John 14:15 . . If you love me, you will comply with what I command.

    John 14:21 . .Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one
    who loves me.

    John 14:23-24 . . If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching . . He who
    does not love me will not obey my teaching.

    John 15:14 . .You are my friends if you do what I command you.

    110) 1Cor 11:5b-6a . . it is just as though her head were shorn. If a woman
    does not cover her head, she should have her hair cut off;

    In other words: if Christian women want to be treated equal to Christian
    men, then they should go all out to imitate Christian men by first of all
    getting themselves a man's haircut, and leave their hair short all the time
    like a masculine lesbian, a.k.a. a dyke.

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    111) 1Cor 11:6b . . If it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut or
    shaved off, she should cover her head.

    Okay then: if Christian women would be somewhat embarrassed to show up
    in church looking like a man and/or LGBT, then then they have only one
    other option; and that's to show up in church looking like women. But in
    order to retain their femininity whenever they pray and/or prophesy; they
    are simply going to have to cover their hair with something or heaven will
    have no choice but to assume the worst about them.

    112) 1Cor 11:7-100 . . A man ought not to cover his head, since he is the
    image and glory of God; but the woman is the glory of man. For man did not
    come from woman, but woman from man; neither was man created for
    woman, but woman for man. For this reason, and because of the angels, the
    woman ought to have a token of authority on her head.

    The koiné Greek word translated "angels" is aggelos (ang'-el-os) which is a
    nondescript word that just simply indicates a messenger. In other words;
    aggelos doesn't always indicate a celestial being but can just as easily
    indicate a human being, for example Matt 11:10, Luke 7:24, Luke 9:52, and
    Jas 2:25.

    The identity of the "angels" in 1Cor 11:10 is probably best understood as not
    the holy angels of Heaven, but rather the angels of Rev 2:1-3:22; which
    aren't spirit beings, but rather, human beings; in other words: church
    supervisors; viz: the pastors. In other words: a woman praying and/or
    prophesying with her hair exposed is an arrogant way of telling the pastor
    that he's no better than she is; which of course displays an insolent attitude
    towards the hierarchy that humanity's maker established in the very

    Though the wording of Gen 1:26-28 suggests that women were created in
    the image of God; they actually weren't; no, according to Paul, they were
    created in Adam's image. Where Adam was created directly from dust in the
    image and glory of God; Eve wasn't, no she was constructed not from dust,
    but from the organic tissues of an already existing man (Gen 2:21-13). So
    then, since Eve was, organically, Adam's first child, then all women,
    including the Lord's mom, are subordinate to men due to the principle of

    So then, contrary to feminist humanism's rabid protests, women will never
    be equal to men in the natural order of things. No, they will always be
    daddy's little girl. Ergo: women aren't from Venus after all; no, they're
    actually the progeny of Mars.

    (Television talk show host Kelly Ripa once made the remark that guys should
    always pay the restaurant tab for their dates because women are the ones
    who have the babies. Well, my question is, who gave birth to Eve? Since
    women owe their existence to Adam, then maybe they should be the ones
    paying the tab.)

    Anyway, what this boils down to is that hair coverings are not costumes or
    uniforms; but rather: an indication that the covered Christian woman
    accepts that she owes her existence to a man, and that women were not
    created to be served by men, nor were they created equal to men, nor were
    they directly created in the image of God as men were; but they were
    created from a man, after the man, in the image of a man, and for the
    express purpose of aiding a man. (Gen 2:18-23, Gen 3:16)

    When a Christian woman covers her hair with something while praying
    and/or prophesying, she's declaring her subordination not just to men, but
    even more importantly to Christ. This is probably a mite difficult for
    American women since their culture encourages them to compete with men,
    to stand up to men, and assert not only their equality with men; but also
    their independence. Subordination to men really chafes some women, even
    those piously wearing the Christian label; and really puts their professed
    devotion to Christ to the acid test. American Christianettes who accept their
    place in the creator's scheme of things are pretty rare.

    POSIT: You've taken those passages out of their appropriate historical
    context. In no way are Christian women of today required to cover their hair
    in church; nor are Christian women subordinate to Christian men in any
    way. That was a rule given to a particular people in a particular place in a
    particular time. And what about Paul's comment: "But if any man seem to be
    contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God" (1Cor

    RESPONSE: The "custom" he's talking about was the practice of heathen
    women praying and/or prophesying with their hair exposed in some of the
    Roman world's pagan religions. And in point of fact, some of those heathen
    women were actually cult prostitutes.

    Basically what Paul is saying is that if the pastors of the Christian churches
    in Corinth were to allow their Christian women to pray and/or prophecy in
    church with their hair exposed, everybody would have to assume they were
    immoral. And not only that, but none of the rest of the Christian churches in
    the Roman empire were allowing their women to pray and/or prophecy with
    exposed hair, and none of the synagogues were allowing their women to do
    it either.

    So; had the Christian churches at Corinth allowed their women to pray
    and/or prophecy with their hair exposed; they would have not only been the
    exceptions; but also the odd balls and people would quite naturally begin to
    wonder what was the matter with supposed followers of Christ acting like

    1Cor 11:13 . . Judge in yourselves: is it proper that a woman pray unto
    God uncovered?

    The answer of course is NO; it isn't proper-- it's insolent, it's inappropriate,
    it's disrespectful; and it's conduct unbecoming for women professing to be
    followers of Christ and worshippers of mankind's creator. Christian women
    ought not to be telling the world they're equal to men, or that they're cult
    prostitutes; no; they ought to be telling the world that because of Christ;
    they're different; and their hair coverings-- whether a simple scarf or a
    stylish hijab --have a pretty amazing story of their own to tell that goes all
    the way back to the opening chapters of Genesis.

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    113) 1Cor 11:27-30 . .Whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord
    in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood
    of the Lord. A man ought to examine himself before he eats of the bread and
    drinks of the cup. For anyone who eats and drinks without recognizing the
    body of the Lord eats and drinks judgment on himself. That is why many
    among you are weak and sick, and a number of you have fallen asleep.

    The koiné Greek word for "unworthy" is anaxios (an-ax-ee'-oce) which
    means: irreverently; which Webster's defines as: lacking proper respect or
    seriousness. In other words "sacrilege" which is gross irreverence toward a
    hallowed person, place, or thing.

    "sinning against the body and blood of the Lord" is very similar language to
    1Cor 6:18, which states: The immoral man sins against his own body. There,
    as here, we're not talking about suicide and/or homicide; were talking about
    degradation; which Webster's defines as the act of treating someone or
    something poorly and without respect.

    People sin during the Lord's supper when they fail to take it seriously that
    the elements represent his body-- not his glorified body; but the one that
    was crucified; viz; his disfigured, bloodied body.

    Matt 27:45 . . From the sixth hour until the ninth hour darkness came over
    all the land.

    What do you suppose went on during those three hours of thick darkness
    around the cross? Well; I'll tell you what went on because I'm not authorized
    to keep it a secret. The things that the Romans did to Christ were merely a
    warm up for the main event. When the darkness came; that's when God
    stepped into the ring; and the gloves came off. When the darkness lifted,
    people saw a Jesus so beaten and bloodied beyond recognition that they
    could scarcely tell he was the same man.

    Isa 52:14 . .There were many who were appalled at him-- his appearance
    was so disfigured beyond that of any man, and his form marred beyond
    human likeness.

    Isa 53:10 . . But the Lord was pleased to crush him, putting him to grief

    I have to wonder how ever a father could do something like that to his own
    son; especially do that for a world that wouldn't even appreciate that the
    injuries God inflicted upon His own son were for their benefit.

    "A man ought to examine himself" is an imperative to make double sure that
    one's heart is in the right place when consuming the elements. Some people
    gulp them down as if they were nothing more than a snack of hot wings and
    cold beer during a Super Bowl game instead of a sacred reminder of what
    God's son endured to ransom their souls from a second death in the lake of
    brimstone depicted at Rev 20:11-15. Those people have to expect that a
    very insulted father is going to come down on them for that-- maybe not
    with sickness, maybe not with death, and maybe not right away; but
    eventually with something; and really, who can blame Him?

    NOTE: Observance of the so-called Lord's Supper isn't a mandatory
    requirement; so if you are a bit nervous about going about it in the wrong
    way, then don't take chances; play it safe and refrain.

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    114) 1Cor 11:33-34 . . My brethren, when you come together to eat, wait
    for each other. If anyone is hungry, he should eat at home, so that when
    you meet together it may not result in judgment.

    The command doesn't frown upon things like church banquets, men's'
    breakfasts, ladies' luncheons, and/or potlucks per se. What it's criticizing is a
    lack of congregational unity. Here's comments leading up to that verse.

    1Cor 11:17-22 . . Now in giving these instructions I do not praise you,
    since you come together not for the better but for the worse. For first of all,
    when you come together as a church, I hear that there are divisions among
    you, and in part I believe it. For there must also be factions among you, that
    those who are approved may be recognized among you.

    . . .Therefore when you come together in one place, it is not to eat the
    Lord's Supper. For in eating, each one takes his own supper ahead of others;
    and one is hungry and another is drunk. What! Do you not have houses to
    eat and drink in? Or do you despise the church of God and shame those who
    have nothing? What shall I say to you? Shall I praise you in this? I do not
    praise you.

    Their lack of love and unity during church functions was nothing short of
    hypocrisy seeing as how the Lord's supper speaks of sacrifice rather than
    selfishness, elitism, and hoarding. In other words; seeing as how Christians
    all share in Christ's blood equally, then everyone should be given equal
    treatment at church regardless of age, gender, skin color, intelligence,
    income level, nationality, what side of the tracks they live on, or social
    status. None of Christ's body parts are untouchable; nor are any of them
    expendable. God forbid that there should be some sort of caste system in a
    gathering of people for whom Christ suffered and died equally for each one.
    That just wouldn't be right: it would be an insult to the principles underlying
    the Lord's supper.

    Matt 26:27 . . Then he took the cup, gave thanks and offered it to them,
    saying: Drink from it, all of you.

    If Christians are all drinking from the same cup, then they should all be, at
    the very least, eating the same food and not be overly concerned about
    where they sit and/or who they sit next to and/or who they're seen with.
    And they should also make double sure that everyone gets enough to eat
    and that no one gets left out and nobody gets more than his fair share. And
    they should all sit down together at the same time. I just hate it when
    people don't wait for each other. Some get back to the table and start in
    gulping, slurping, clattering, and clanking while others from their table are
    still in line.

    And they should also take into consideration the possibility that a number of
    their congregation are in assistance programs like TANF and SNAP. In other
    words; don't just bring enough food from home for yourself; but, if you're
    able, bring enough for those among you who can't bring anything at all. And
    for God's sake, don't bring a side dish of gourmet food along just for
    yourself. Leave your special gourmet stuff at home. There's just no excuse
    for flaunting your "sophistication" around church thus giving everyone the
    impression that everyone else's tastes are below yours.

    You know; why am I even saying these things? In point of fact, why even
    did Paul? I mean: shouldn't Christians be eo ipso sources of the milk of
    human kindness without somebody shaming them and lecturing them into
    being humane with their fellow believers and taking thought for their
    feelings? Why must so many Christians be practically strong-armed into
    being civil with one another?

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    115) 1Cor 12:24-27 . . God has combined the members of the body and has
    given greater honor to the parts that lacked it, so that there should be no
    schism in the body, but that its parts should have equal concern for each3
    other. If one part suffers, every part suffers with it; if one part is honored,
    every part rejoices with it. Now you are the body of Christ, and each one of
    you is a part of it.

    It's sad that congregations have been reduced to the level of an invasive
    species in some churches by over-achieving, ambitious types passing
    themselves off as pastors, deacons, and elders. Churches like that might just
    as well start selling tickets to their sermons and Sunday schools; and set up
    red carpets outside so the rank and file might crowd up like the Oscars;
    where they can ooh and ahh over the Cadillac Escalades and Lexus LX10's
    driven by their church's managers; admire their fashions, cheer, kiss
    derrieres, lick shoes, pose for selfies, and ask for autographs.

    The rank and file are not expendable commodities; nor do they constitute a
    fan base. And God forbid that church managers should begin to think of their
    congregation as just numbers.

    I once attended a mega Baptist church in San Diego that hired a hot shot
    business man that we all had to address as "reverend" to help them increase
    their membership. Why would they do that when there was 4,000+
    members on the books already? Well; I'll tell you why. They had an
    ambitious building program in mind that couldn't proceed without more
    money in the church's coffers. Well; Mister HotShot got the church's
    numbers up, and the managers got their building program. My wife and I
    bailed. We wanted no part of it.

    BTW: After the church's managers got the congregation deeply in debt to
    finance the building program, they all took new positions elsewhere,
    including the pastor, leaving his flock holding the bag. That was the most
    disappointing church I ever attended. It treated the congregation like so
    many head of livestock: just dollars per pound on the hoof and cheap labor
    easily exploited.

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    116) 1Cor 14:1a . . Pursue charity

    The koine Greek word for "charity" in that command is agape (ag-ah'-pay)
    which basically means love, e.g. affection, benevolence, kindness,
    compassion, tenderness, understanding, devotion, caring, thoughtfulness,
    and a host of other things like that. Love will cause you to look out for
    someone's best interests without them even having to ask you to.

    The word for "pursue" is dioko (dee-o'-ko) which in many places in the New
    Testament means persecute. Well; it hardly seems a good idea to persecute
    love. I think what the command is wanting to get across to Christians is that
    they're supposed to go after and obtain love with a determined attitude like
    a hunter, or a stalker, or someone who just won't take "no" for an answer;
    like the woman who hounded the Lord at Mark 7:25-28.

    Love is the heart and soul of all of Christ's commandments. Christians
    without love haven't even got to first base yet. I think it's very safe to say
    that without love; one won't be loyal because love and loyalty go together
    like a horse and a carriage.

    John 14:15 . . If you love me, you will comply with what I command.

    John 14:21 . .Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one
    who loves me.

    John 14:23-24 . . If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching . . He who
    does not love me will not obey my teaching.

    You know, when you love somebody, you will do all in your power to make
    them happy. Nobody has to crack the whip on people who truly love Christ
    because their affections compel them to please him-- not to get on his good
    side, but just to cheer him up, do him little favors, and make him happy.
    People with a tin woodman's soul don't understand what I'm talking about
    because there's a cold piece of steel inside them where a heart is supposed
    to be. Well; thank God there's a remedy for that; at least for Yhvh's people

    Ezek 36:24-27 . . For I will take you from among the nations and gather
    you from all the countries, and I will bring you to your land. And I will
    sprinkle clean water upon you, and you will be clean; from all your
    impurities and from all your abominations will I cleanse you. And I will give
    you a new heart, and a new spirit will I put within you, and I will take away
    the heart of stone out of your flesh, and I will give you a heart of flesh. And
    I will put My spirit within you and bring it about that you will walk in My
    statutes and you will keep My ordinances and do them.

    I think it safe to say that what we're looking at there in Ezekiel is a result of
    the curious birth about which Jesus spoke at John 3:3-8.

    I believe that there are large numbers of rank and file pew warmers trying
    to follow Christ and keep his commandments without love. They're actually
    love-starved and love-challenged. It's a handicap; and for them, following
    Christ and keeping his commandments is a chore rather than a pleasure. I
    feel for those love-challenged pew warmers because without affection for
    Christ, it is impossible to please him. It just can't be done. In point of fact;
    I've no doubt they even resent having to make the effort. To them; Jesus is
    a nuisance-- he's trespassing on their privacy, he's meddling in their affairs,
    he's asking too much of them, and he's sticking his nose in things that are
    none of his business.

    There's a worst-case scenario depicted in the third chapter of Revelation.
    The Laodicean church had become so love-challenged that Christ is depicted
    standing outside the building banging on the door trying to get someone's
    attention to let him in. Nobody in that church had any feelings for Christ, he
    was unwelcome there, none of them were his friends-- not the pastor, not
    the deacons, not the choir, not the Sunday school teachers, not the
    deaconesses, not the ushers, not the elders, and certainly not the rank and
    file pew warmers. Can you imagine an entire, fully-functioning Christian
    church off-reservation and estranged from Christ? Well; if there was one,
    then you just know there's gotta be more.

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    117) 1Cor 14:1b . . eagerly desire spiritual gifts, especially the gift of

    A true spiritual gift is an ability that comes from God, and there are quite
    few of them, e.g.

    The word of wisdom (1Cor 12:8)
    The word of knowledge (1Cor 12:8)
    Faith (1Cor 12:9)
    Healing (1Cor 12:9)
    Miracles (1Cor 12:10)
    Prophecy (1Cor 12:10)
    Distinguishing spirits (1Cor 12:10)
    Languages (1Cor 12:10)
    Interpreting languages (1Cor 12:10)
    Helps (1Cor 12:28)
    Administration (1Cor 12:28)
    Ministering (Rom 12:7)
    Teaching (Rom 12:7)
    Encouragement (Rom 12:8)
    Charity (Rom 12:8)
    Leadership (Rom 12:8)
    Compassion (Rom 12:8)
    Evangelism (Eph 4:11)
    Pastoring (Eph 4:11)

    The New Testament Greek word for "prophesy" is propheteuo (prof-ate-yoo'
    o) which essentially means to speak under inspiration. That definition is very
    similar to the Old Testament Hebrew word for "prophet" which is nabiy'
    (naw-bee'). That word describes an inspired person of either gender; e.g.
    Abel was a prophet (Luke 11:50-51) Abraham was a prophet (Gen 20:7)
    Moses was a prophet (Deut 18:18) Miriam was a prophet (Ex 15:20)
    Deborah was a prophet (Judg 4:4) and Huldah was a prophet (2Kgs 22:14).

    Inspired people need not be especially educated because the situation of a
    prophet isn't a career path. For example Amos was just a simple farm boy
    whom God drafted into service right out of the blue. (Amos 7:14-15)

    Prophets are not only given glimpses of the future; but also things to say
    relative to current events; e.g. the author of the book of Revelation.

    118) 1Cor 14:13 . . anyone who speaks in a tongue should pray that he may
    interpret what he says.

    If Acts 2:1-12 is the model; then a genuine Spirit-endowed tongue should be
    an honest to gosh real-life language instead of blabber that's intelligible to
    no one, not even the speaker.

    "Now there were staying in Jerusalem God-fearing Jews from every nation
    under heaven. When they heard this sound, a crowd came together in
    bewilderment, because each one heard them speaking in his own language.

    . . . Utterly amazed, they asked: "Are not all these men who are speaking
    Galileans? Then how is it that each of us hears them in his own native
    language? Parthians, Medes and Elamites; residents of Mesopotamia, Judea
    and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the
    parts of Libya near Cyrene; visitors from Rome (both Jews and converts to
    Judaism); Cretans and Arabs-- we hear them declaring the wonders of God
    in our own tongues!"

    Mozart composed some amazing music; but had he not arranged the
    components properly, it would likely grate on people's nerves instead of
    entertaining them; sort of like when an orchestra verifies the pitch of its
    instruments just prior to a performance. The discordant din that the
    orchestra makes is a cacophony instead of a rhapsody.

    1Cor 14:7 . . Even in the case of lifeless things that make sounds, such as
    the flute or harp, how will anyone know what tune is being played unless
    there is a distinction in the notes?

    Modern tonguers typically don't compose anything pleasant to the ear. The
    words and grammar and syllables coming out of their mouths are a
    discordant cacophony.

    I was informed by a Charismatic friend that he prayed in a tongue because
    he couldn't express his deepest feelings any other way. Mind you this was an
    American adult of almost fifty years old; educated in America and spoke,
    wrote, and read English his entire life. So I asked him how it is that his
    command of the English language was so poor that he could only express his
    thoughts in a language that not even he himself could either identify or

    1Cor 14:13-15 . . If I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is
    unfruitful. So what shall I do? I will pray with my spirit, but I will also pray
    with my mind; I will sing with my spirit, but I will also sing with my mind.

    In other words: there are Christians out and about blabbering incoherently
    because they choose to, rather than because they have to. With just a
    simple act of their own will they could easily switch to something intelligible.

    Why on earth would a grown-up prefer incoherent blabbering? Isn't that the
    way small children communicate? Well, i can excuse small children because
    they're uneducated. But shouldn't supposed educated adults be just a bit
    more mature with their language and grammar than small children?

    1Cor 14:20 . . Brothers, stop thinking like children. In regard to evil be
    infants, but in your thinking be adults.

    The true gift of tongues is very handy for communicating with foreigners.
    But in our day and age, Charismatics typically don't communicate with
    anybody, either foreign or domestic . As a result, Charismatics are looked
    upon with the same disdain as the kooks that hurl themselves on the floor,
    faint, scream, writhe, shout, and dance with rattlesnakes.

    Well; not too many sensible people care to accommodate kooks so if you're
    serious about influencing people for Christ, I highly recommend sticking to
    an intelligible language. Here in my country, English is a good choice
    because most people can understand it without requiring the services of a

    And for God's sake, please do not allow yourself to be drawn to participating
    in a tongues meeting.

    1Cor 14:23 . . So if the whole church comes together and everyone speaks
    in tongues, and some who do not understand, or some unbelievers come in,
    will they not say that you are out of your mind?

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    119) 1Cor 14:22a . .Tongues are for a sign

    The sign isn't intended for the benefit of believers, but rather, for non

    1Cor 14:22b . . not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but
    prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which

    The purpose of any tongue is communication.

    1Cor 14:9 . . Unless you speak intelligible words with your tongue, how
    will anyone know what you are saying? You will just be speaking into the air.

    So if a tonguer is speaking a language nobody understands, they've actually
    created a barrier to communication; viz: a regression to the tower of Babel;
    and you can see for yourself how destructive that was to unity (Gen 11:1-9).
    Webster's defines "regression" as: movement backward to a previous, and
    especially worse or more primitive state or condition; viz: backwards

    NOTE: Some people object to the use of a Webster's dictionary in Bible
    study; but this is the very reason why I highly recommend it's use to anyone
    who utilizes the English language when communicating with English
    speaking peoples and/or reading Bibles translated from the ancient
    languages into English.

    Since tongues are for the benefit of unbelievers, then it's de facto that a
    tongue should be a valid language that the unbeliever himself speaks and
    understands (cf. Acts 2:4-11). Somebody who exercises a tongue for any
    other reason has missed the point; and they're behaving like a little kid with
    a toy.

    120) 1Cor 14:20 . . Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in
    malice be ye children, but in understanding be men.

    121) 1Cor 14:27-28 . . If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by
    two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret. But
    if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him
    speak to himself, and to God.

    Tonguers are not permitted to speak all at the same time like a mob of
    howling political protesters. One of the reasons why I get so annoyed by talk
    shows like Today's Talk with Kathy Lee Gifford and Hoda Kodb, and ABC's
    The View is because everyone talks all at once like a bunch of undisciplined
    dogs barking and yapping in a kennel. And the way they interrupt each other
    back and forth before the other can even finish a sentence is one of the very
    things we teach children not to do. You'd think those supposedly mature
    adults grew up without supervision the way they conduct themselves in a

    NO; tonguers are to take turns; speaking one at a time, rather than an
    entire congregation of tonguers barking and yapping like dogs in a kennel
    whenever they "feel the Spirit" moving them. And if there's no one to
    interpret, tonguers are not permitted to speak at all. If Christians the world
    over followed those rules, it would put the charismatics out of business in
    less than two weeks.

    FYI: These directives regulating the exercise of tongues in a church meeting
    were written by the apostle Paul-- a duly authorized agent speaking on
    behalf of Christianity's Christ.

    1Cor 14:37 . . If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let
    him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the
    commandments of The Lord.

    Therefore, when Christians proceed to defy the rules regulating the exercise
    of tongues, they are in shameful rebellion against the very lord and master
    of Christianity; and yet, ironically, many tongue violators still have the
    chutzpah to pass themselves off as the Lord's Spirit-filled followers.
    However; a follower can be defined as someone who gets in step and/or falls
    in line rather than going off-reservation to do their own thing.

    1Sam 15:23 . . Rebellion is as the sin of divination; and insubordination is
    as iniquity and idolatry.

    1John 1:6 . . If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in
    darkness, we lie, and do not the truth

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    122) 1Cor 14:29-31 . .Two, or three, prophets should speak, and everyone
    else should weigh carefully what is said. If a revelation comes to someone
    who is sitting down, the first speaker should stop. For you can all prophesy
    in turn so that everyone may be instructed and encouraged.

    Though God endows certain Spirit-selected people in church with the gift of
    prophecy (1Cor 12:4-11) it is not He who endows them with the impulse to
    talk out of turn. Self control is their responsibility; not His.

    1Cor 14:32 . . The spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.

    True prophets channel God's thoughts; viz: they speak as the voice of God.
    People with opinions don't speak as the voice of God at all; they speak as
    themselves. True prophets are revelators; people with opinions are little
    more than a nuisance; and if not kept in check they will quickly derail a
    Sunday school class and drag it off onto a perpetual bull session that never
    gets to the bottom of anything.

    123) 1Cor 14:34 . .Women should remain silent in the churches. They are
    not allowed to speak; but must be in submission (i.e. subordinate to the

    It could be argued, with some merit, that this rule applies only to tongues
    and prophecy; but Paul goes further with this in a letter to his friend

    1Tim 2:11-13 . . Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I
    suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be
    in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve.

    It's important to note that this is neither a gender issue nor an issue related
    to competence; it's an issue related to primogeniture-- for that reason, and
    that reason alone, it is a disgrace for Christian women to lead Christian men
    in a Christian congregation.

    Q: Doesn't 1Cor 11:3-10 permit women to pray and/or prophecy just so long
    as they cover their hair?

    A: There is a gender limit to that privilege. In other words: Christian woman
    are not allowed to pray and/or prophecy in the hearing of a mixed
    congregation; i.e. where Christian men are present.

    Q: What about women like Anne Graham Lotz. Is she out of order?

    A: Though women aren't permitted to speak to a mixed-gender Christian
    congregation, that doesn't mean they can't speak to a mixed-gender public
    forum, or in the street; or in a coliseum, or in a stadium, or in a convention
    center, or on radio and television.

    The best place in church for women blessed with the Spirit's gift to teach for
    Christ is in a women's group; and if a man should invade a women's group
    led by a Spirit-gifted woman; I think he should be asked to leave.

    Q: What about Deborah in the Old Testament book of judges? Exactly how
    was she an exception to this rule, if indeed she was?

    A: Things are quite a bit different now with Christ at the helm, i.e. Christ's
    association with his church trumps Deborah's association with the Jews. I do
    not recommend using her, or any other woman in the Bible, as an excuse to
    defy Christ's edicts in matters pertaining to the governance of Christian

    NOTE: Paul appeals to "the law" as the basis for 1Cor 14:34. Normally when
    Paul speaks of the law he's referring to the covenant that Yhvh's people
    agreed upon with God as per Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy.
    Exactly where in the covenant women are explicitly forbidden to preach, or
    teach, or usurp authority over men in matters of religion, I don't know.
    However, it's quite obvious that the covenant is very sexist, i.e. women are
    not permitted in either the priesthood or the Sanhedrin.

    124) 1Cor 14:35 . . If women have questions, they should ask their own
    husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.

    What's an inquiring wife to do if her husband is spiritually inept? I'd suggest
    that women married to spiritually inept Christian men, and/or women
    married to non-Christian men, and/or unmarried women; seek assistance
    from one of the ladies in church known to be somewhat of a Bible expert.
    But for God's sake, don't seek assistance from another woman's husband;
    even if he's the pastor, or a deacon, or an elder; it's not only disobedient,
    but that's also how rumors (and other things) get started.

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    125) 1Cor 14:37-38 . . If anybody thinks he's a prophet or spiritually gifted,
    let him acknowledge that what I am writing to you is the Lord's command.

    If your Sunday school, or your catechism class, is being chaired by
    somebody who disagrees with the Lord's commands regulating women's
    hair, tongues, and/or prophecy; believe me you have a serious problem
    because it indicates that your leader is only human rather than inspired.

    126) 1Cor 14:38 . . But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.

    In other words: if somebody in a Christian church refuses to accept Paul as a
    duly authorized agent speaking for Christ; then Christians are under orders
    to ignore that person's opinion of themselves that they're a prophet and/or
    spiritually gifted.

    127) 1Cor 14:39-40 . .Therefore, brethren, be eager to prophesy, and do
    not forbid speaking in tongues.

    That rule applies only to people who actually have the gifts of tongues
    and/or prophesy because according to Rom 12:4-6, 1Cor 12:10, 1Cor
    12:29-30, and 1Cor 14:5 not everyone does.

    128) 1Cor 15:34 . . Come to your senses and stop sinning. For to your
    shame I say that some of you don't have the knowledge of God.

    That directive is in connection with some of the Corinthians' insistence that
    dead people stay dead and never recover.

    1Cor 15:12 . . Now if Christ is preached that He has been raised from the
    dead, how do some among you say that there is no resurrection of the

    Apparently some of the Corinthians couldn't see that Christ's resurrection is
    evidence that it's possible for dead people to recover. A measure of that
    blindness exists even today among people who insist that Christ's natural
    body didn't recover. They insist he rose from the dead with a so-called
    glorified body; and some even insist that Christ returned from the dead as a
    spirit being rather than a human being, and others postulate that his post
    crucifixion appearances were done as an angel disguised in a fully
    functioning human avatar. But if any of that were true, then Christ's
    prediction at John 2:19-22 would be easily invalidated.

    According to 1Cor 15:51-53 and 1Thes 4:13-17, the natural remains of
    Christ's followers will first revive as they were and then be transformed into
    something very wonderful during a flight up to meet the Lord in the air.

    There is really no sensible reason to not believe that Christ's dead body
    underwent the very same process, i.e. his crucified remains were first
    returned to life just as he predicted; and then forty days later, at some point
    during the flight to heaven as per Acts 1:9, his natural human body was
    transformed into an immortal, supernatural human body; the likes of which
    is on display at Matt 17:1-2; where it's depicted extremely incandescent.

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    129) 1Cor 15:56-58 . .The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is The
    Commandments; but thanks be to God! He gives us the victory through our
    Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore, my dear brothers, stand firm. Let nothing
    discourage you. Always give yourselves fully to the work of The Lord,
    because you know that your labor in the Lord isn't futile.

    Though Mother Teresa put up a very convincing public image during those
    five decades of missionary activity in India, her private letters to spiritual
    counselors reveal that the poor woman was never really sure that
    Christianity's God even exists; and if He did exist, she was plagued with
    dread that He didn't particularly like her and might be quite disposed to
    condemn her. Though she never said so in public, there were was hardly
    ever a time when she didn't truly wonder if God wanted her in India in the
    first place.

    Had Teresa's personality not been the D-9 Caterpillar tractor that it was, I
    think the celebrity nun would have given up in India after only one year. But
    as anyone who knew her will vouch, Teresa wasn't a quitter; no, she was a
    little bulldog, a survivor; and poverty was her dream venue. However, bull
    doggedness is not what Paul is talking about in 1Cor 15:56-58; no, quite the

    Just imagine if somebody had it in the back of their mind that they might be
    giving the Lord unreserved quantities of their time, talent, and resources in
    a thankless endeavor only to end up being condemned anyway as per Matt
    7:22-23. Well, Paul assured the Corinthians that Christ's work on the cross,
    and in the grave, guaranteed that wouldn't happen to them-- their
    resurrection to a better life was in the bag; therefore they needn't fear that
    in the end their work for the Lord will be judged all for nothing.

    Ironically; and at the time of his writing, the Corinthians were not all that
    spiritual. (1Cor 3:1-3). However; though their work in the Lord was being
    performed by Christians whose spirituality was basically substandard, they
    were still useful; which tells me that it isn't necessary to be a super saint
    before one can begin serving Christ. Just serve him as best you can and pay
    no attention to your location on the curve: keeping in mind that reliability
    counts more than quantity. Webster's defines reliable as "dependable".

    130) 1Cor 16:1-3 . . Now about the collection for God's people: Do what I
    told the Galatian churches to do. On the first day of every week, each one of
    you should set aside a sum of money in keeping with his income, saving it
    up, so that when I come no collections will have to be made. Then, when I
    arrive, I will give letters of introduction to the men you approve and send
    them with your gift to Jerusalem.

    The "God's people" to whom Paul referred were Jewish Christians whose
    church was located at Jerusalem. They were having it pretty rough in the
    early days of Christianity.

    Lest somebody should get the wrong idea, that wasn't a tithe. Christ left it
    up to each individual in Corinth the amount that they felt like donating
    towards the Jews' relief effort.

    2Cor 9:7 . . Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to
    give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.

    Tithes are not gifts; no, tithes are demanded rather than donated out of the
    goodness of one's heart. I don't give the government my taxes; no, they
    take them from me by force of law; viz: I pay taxes against my will, both
    reluctantly and under compulsion; and I have absolutely no voice in the
    parentage of my income that they take. When it comes to taxes: I am not
    cheerful; no, I am grudging. Well; that is not the Christian way of giving.
    Christians have a faith that works by love, not by law. (Gal 5:6)

    It would be interesting to take a poll among America's churches just to see,
    out of curiosity, how many have a program for assisting Jewish Christians
    over in the modern State of Israel.

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    131) 1Cor 16:13a . . Be on your guard, stand firm in the faith, be men of
    courage; be strong.

    Churches are like vegetable gardens in that they have to be nurtured or
    weeds will take over and the soil will become fallow. And it's not just weeds.
    Without irrigation, vegetables wither; while there's a pretty good number of
    weeds out there that can get along without irrigation just fine. Well; the sad
    reality is: there are Christian churches being led by pastors, deacons, and
    elders who are just as arid as a Texas vernal pool in August.

    2Pet 2:15-17 . .Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray,
    following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor, who loved the wages of
    unrighteousness; but was rebuked for his iniquity: the mute burro speaking
    with man's voice forbad the madness of the prophet. These are wells without
    water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness
    is reserved for ever.

    Those kinds of church officers are in it only for the power, the career, the
    prestige, and the income. Ergo: like Balaam, they're just prophets for profit
    - and the sheep? bait fish for the barracudas.

    The koiné Greek word for "men of courage" is andrizomai which means: to
    act manly; which Webster's defines as: (1) having qualities generally
    associated with a man; viz: strength and virility, and (2) appropriate in
    character to a man.

    Nowadays, what with the destructive influences of feminism abroad, it's
    difficult to distinguish anymore between womanliness and manliness. Sexism
    has been made a sin in feminist cultures; which Webster's defines as:
    behavior, conditions, or attitudes that foster stereotypes of social roles
    based on gender. Well, too bad for the feminists because the God of
    Christianity is very sexist: take Him or leave Him; as is.

    The koiné word for "strong" is krataioo (krat-ah-yo'-o) which means, in
    common colloquialisms, to man up, step up to the plate, and/or take the bull
    by the horns. A man doesn't have to stand tall to be a man, but he does
    have to stand up; and if perchance you're a man reading this: don't you
    dare ever let women define manliness for you; no, let Christ define it for
    you. If you permit women to define manliness, they will manipulate you; and
    your self respect (if you get my drift) will be in their purses. Tom-boys have
    purses too so be especially wary around competitive she-males. They love
    nothing better than to whittle a man's self respect down to that of a
    squeaking little gerbil.

    You know, if only Adam had been a man of courage and strength in his
    relationship with Eve, the world wouldn't be in the mess it's in today.

    132) 1Cor 16:14 . . Do everything in love.

    In order to protect their church from ecumenism, church managers simply
    have to be somewhat firm, assertive, and confrontational when the situation
    calls for it. If one isn't sure how to do this in love, then they might take
    some time to study 1Cor 13:1-8 with a commentary and/or read How To
    Win Friends And Influence People
    by Dale Carnegie.

    133) 1 Cor 16:15-18 . .You know that the household of Stephanas were the
    first converts in Achaia, and they have devoted themselves to the service of
    the saints. I urge you, brothers, to submit to such as these and to everyone
    who joins in the work, and labors at it. I was glad when Stephanas,
    Fortunatus and Achaicus arrived, because they have supplied what was
    lacking from you. For they refreshed my spirit and yours also. Such men
    deserve recognition.

    Paul and his associates depended pretty heavily upon the hospitality of local
    believers for accommodations and daily necessities. Believers do well to
    follow the examples of Stephanas, Fortunatus and Achaicus either by
    opening their homes to missionaries or by funding their stay in a motel and
    providing them with a rental car. You can usually arrange this through your
    local church. Believers who do so "deserve recognition." That doesn’t mean
    they should demand recognition, but there is coming a day of evaluation for
    believers when they'll be fully compensated. (1Cor 3:10-15, 1Cor 4:5, and
    Rev 22:12)

    134) 1Cor 16:20 . . Greet one another with a holy kiss.

    Kissing was a common form of greeting in the old world; and still is in the
    Middle East and certain parts of Europe; but here in America-- a super-sized
    racial/cultural. Ethnic amalgam of customs from all over the known universe
    --it's wise to dispense your kisses with discretion. Some of us don't even like
    to be hugged, let alone bussed; and if you should perchance try to make
    physical contact with an autistic Christian, you're liable to cause them a
    panic attack; so go easy on the touchy-feely stuff.

    The people to whom Paul referred as "one another" are one's fellow born
    again Christians. We're not required to kiss unbelievers. You can be
    courteous to them, yes (cf. Matt 5:47) but reserve especially warm greetings
    for your siblings; viz: those who've undergone a second birth as per John
    1:12-13 and John 3:3-8, and thus share your adoption into God's home as
    per Rom 8:15-17.

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    135) 1Cor 16:22 . . If anyone love not The Lord, let him be accursed.

    There's nothing new in that command. It's been on the books every since
    the days of Moses.

    Deut 6:4-5 . . Hear, O Israel: Yhvh our God, Yhvh is one. Love Yhvh your
    God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength.

    Failure to love Yhvh in those days was curse-worthy.

    Deut 27:26 . . Cursed is the man who does not uphold the words of this
    law by carrying them out.

    One's love of Yhvh is evidenced by loyalty.

    Deut 6:6 . .These commandments that I give you today are to be upon
    your hearts.

    That hasn't changed.

    John 14:15 . . If you love me, you will comply with what I command.

    John 14:21 . .Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one
    who loves me.

    John 14:23-24 . . If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching . . He who
    does not love me will not obey my teaching.

    Does a Muslim have to be a terrorist to be cursed? No; they only have to be
    a loyal follower of Muḥammad ibn `Abdullāh instead of a loyal follower of
    Jesus Christ; same goes for anybody whose loyalty is elsewhere. How many
    people am I talking about? Well, according to my sources there are

    50 thousand Scientologists
    15 million Mormons
    8.2 million Jehovah's Witnesses
    7.8 million Baha'i
    515.9 million Buddhists
    451.3 million Chinese Folk Religionists
    8.4 million Confucianists
    258.5 million Ethnic Religionists
    974.6 million Hindus
    5.6 million Jains
    1.7 billion Muslims
    14.1 million Jews
    64.2 million New Religionists
    2.8 million Shintoists
    24.9 million Sikhs
    14.2 million Spiritists
    8.7 million Taoists
    1.1 billion Atheists/Agnostics

    The grand total of just those categories is 5,174,700,000

    If those figures are in the ball park, and if traditional Christianity is the
    truth; then at the least 70% of the earth's current population of 7.43 billion
    people is cursed; and no doubt some of those are people we know: our
    friends, our relatives, and our associates.

    NOTE: Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons are Christians, yes, but not in the
    traditional sense.

    Joseph Smith's movement is a cult; in other words: there's some Christianity
    in Mormonism, but Christianity comprises only a portion of Mormonism. The
    rest of it is extreme, to say the least.

    Neither do Jehovah's Witnesses qualify as Christians in the traditional sense.
    Charles Taze Russell's movement is a cult. There's some Christianity in the
    Watchtower Society's doctrines, but Christianity comprises only a portion of
    Russell's doctrines; and his slant on it is very peculiar.

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    136) 2Cor 2:5-10 . . The punishment inflicted on him by the majority is
    sufficient for him. Now instead, you ought to forgive and comfort him, so
    that he will not be overwhelmed by excessive sorrow. I urge you, therefore,
    to reaffirm your love for him.

    The cause for which Paul wrote that section was a guy in the Corinthian
    church sleeping with his stepmother (1Cor 5:1). Paul had commanded the
    Corinthians to not only hold the man's feet to the fire, but also to ostracize

    Some time had passed since then, and the man was apparently regretting
    his actions, and broken off the illicit relationship with his kin, so it was time
    to let him back into the group. No doubt the humiliation of it all had a
    tremendous impact upon his attitude-- probably upon the congregation's too
    because at first their attitude wasn't all that good about it either. (cf. 1Cor

    Here in America scolding and ostracizing a church member would probably
    just make them indignant rather than repentant.

    137) 2Cor 2:9-11 . . If you forgive anyone, I also forgive him. And what I
    have forgiven-- if there was anything to forgive --I have forgiven in the sight
    of Christ for your sake, in order that Satan might not outwit us. For we are
    not unaware of his schemes.

    One of the opposition's tactics is to create disunity in a church. Sure enough
    when that happens-- as when one portion of the congregation believes in
    judging and ostracizing while the other doesn't --people start taking sides
    and the church will end up divided into cliques and factions. According to the
    lord and master of New Testament Christianity, a house divided against itself
    cannot stand.

    Paul mentioned that his extension of forgiveness was "in the sight of Christ".
    Judging by the churlish behavior of a good many online Christians, I've come
    to the conclusion a lot of them are unconcerned that everything they
    compose for forums and message boards be in the sight of Christ.

    138) 2Cor 5:20-21 . . We are therefore Christ's ambassadors, as though God
    were making his appeal through us. We implore you on Christ's behalf: Be
    reconciled to God.

    There's two different aspects to reconciliation. One is a criminal justice kind
    of reconciliation (Rom 5:6-11, Rom 6:3-11, 1John 2:2) and the other is a
    fellowship kind of reconciliation. (Gen 4:1-7, Gen 5:22-24, Gen 6:9, Gen
    17:1, 1John 1:3-7)

    For example, a man and his wife may not be speaking to each other; and
    sleeping in separate beds; but they're still married: they're just not getting
    along; in other words, they're out of fellowship with one another. It's God's
    wishes that His own walk with Him in fellowship while they're waiting for
    their departure; and the Corinthians weren't doing very well at it.

    In order to restore diplomatic relations between themselves and their Father
    above, that congregation had to knuckle down and deal with sin in their
    midst in accordance with their master's wishes rather than their own.
    Compare Josh 7:2-26 where Yhvh's people couldn't win anymore battles
    until they first dealt with a sin in their midst.

    It's ironic that a fully functioning Christian church like the one at Corinth was
    in need of reconciliation with God. How many Christian churches are just like
    that today? They pride themselves in being Spirit-filled congregations, yet
    their congregational attitude is completely out of touch with Christ. Yes,
    Christian congregations are oftentimes out of touch and need to come to
    their senses and reconnect or else they risk becoming like the church at
    Laodicea where the central figure of Christianity is depicted outside the
    building banging on the door trying to get someone's attention to let him in.
    (cf. Rev 3:14-22)

    139) 2Cor 6:1-2 . . As God's fellow workers we urge you not to receive
    God's grace in vain; for He says: In the time of my favor I heard you, and in
    the day of salvation I helped you. I tell you, now is the time of God's favor,
    now is the day of salvation.

    Some of Christ's followers are sort of on hold as they look forward to God's
    patronage and providence after they die; but Paul says you can lay hold of
    those benefits now. In other words: the cross not only qualifies people for
    Heaven, but also for obtaining God's earthly patronage and providence.
    However, that earthly aspect of the plan of salvation comes with a string
    attached-- obedience.

    John 15:1-7 . . No branch can bear fruit by itself; it must remain in the
    vine. Neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in me. I am the vine; you
    are the branches. If a man remains in me and I in him, he will bear much
    fruit; apart from me you can do nothing. If anyone does not remain in me,
    he is like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are
    picked up, thrown into the fire and burned.

    Nobody really wants to be a stick of ol' dried up yard debris, but that's what
    happens when Christ's followers go off-reservation and follow their own
    noses instead of walking in the light.

    John 14:23-24 . . When somebody loves me, they will obey my teaching;
    and my Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home
    with him. He who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words
    you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me.

    In other words: according to the Father's testimony as an expert witness in
    all matters pertaining to fellowship: a Christian not obeying Christ has
    disassociated themselves from both Christ and his Father (2John 1:9). But
    they aren't lost; they're just lapsed.

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    140) 2Cor 6:14-18 . . Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers:
    for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what
    communion hath light with darkness? and what concord hath Christ with
    Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? and what
    agreement hath the temple of God with idols?

    . . . for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in
    them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my
    people. Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith
    the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, And will be
    a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord

    That commandment clearly forbids intermarriage between Christians and
    non-Christians; e.g. Chelsea Clinton and Marc Mezvinsky. Failure to comply
    with those instructions is not only grossly disobedient, but it's unwise and
    can have tragic results; for example:

    Gen 6:1-2 . .When men began to increase in number on the earth and
    daughters were born to them, the sons of God saw that the daughters of
    men were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose.

    If we assume that the "sons of God" were believers and the "daughters of
    men" were not; then it would appear that back in Noah's day, believing men
    threw caution to the wind and built themselves harems of unbelieving
    women. What happened to those believing men when it came time for the
    Flood? Well, for one thing; they had lost their piety.

    Gen 7:1 . .The Lord then said to Noah: Go into the ark, you and your
    whole family, because I have found you righteous in this generation.

    None of the other sons of God in that day were righteous; hence they
    weren't invited aboard the ark. All of those men-- whose wives were chosen
    based solely upon sex appeal sans any spiritual prudence whatsoever -
    perished in the Flood right along with their infidel wives and children. Let
    that be a lesson to you.

    1Cor 10:11-12 . . Now all these things happened to them as examples,
    and they were written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the ages
    have come. Therefore let him who thinks he stands take heed lest he fall.

    It is definitively not wise to make yourself one flesh with an unbelieving
    spouse. It's a proven tactic for watering down, compromising, and even
    extinguishing Bible beliefs and practices (e.g. Num 31:7-16). Solomon found
    that out the hard way; but too late. (1Kgs 11 & 12)

    In a mixed relationship-- one a born-again Christian and the other not --the
    born-again Christian will be forced to compromise their convictions in order
    to keep the relationship going. Compromise in the area of spiritual values is
    not a good thing for born-again Christians who wish to be Christ's followers.
    It will quickly cool their love for Christ and quite possibly result in the Lord
    calling them on the carpet for being tepid; which Webster's defines as
    lacking in passion, force, or zest, and/or marked by an absence of
    enthusiasm or conviction.

    Most people want love, romance, companionship, and a family of their own.
    According to Gen 1:27-28, and Gen 2:21-24, those things are Divine
    blessings, they're perfectly normal, nothing to be ashamed of; nor is there
    anything intrinsically naughty or sinful about them. But a believer has to be
    self controlled, and not permit their base nature to make them lose their
    heads and ruin their chances for happiness.

    Adult dating is where it starts. And adult dating isn't harmless. It leads to
    other things, and it leads into commitments and promises that are not easily
    reneged. The end result of adult dating is ultimately marriage and children
    (quite possibly illegitimate children). Whose religion will prevail in the
    marriage? Whose religion will be taught to the children? The believer's or the
    infidel's? And ultimately, who will get the children's souls-- God, or the

    Some couples try to accommodate each other's beliefs by teaching their
    children the concepts of both ideologies. For example, a marriage between a
    Buddhist and a Christian. The children are given a choice between the
    Dharma and the Bible; and between Siddhartha Gautama and Christ. That
    may seem like a good idea, but it only creates confusion in the minds of the
    children. Why are mom and dad not in agreement? Whose ideology is right?
    Can both be right? Does it mean that one ideology is just as good as the

    Teaching their children more than one system of beliefs and practices is out
    of the question for born-again, Bible-believing Christians because the Lord
    and Master of Christianity demands their exclusive devotion. It's always
    been that way; even for God's chosen people.

    Deut 6:4-5 . . Hear, O Israel: Yhvh our God: Yhvh is one. Love Yhvh your
    God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your strength.

    Mark 12:28-31 . . One of the scribes came and heard them arguing, and
    recognizing that he had answered them well; asked him: What
    commandment is the foremost of all? Jesus answered: The foremost is
    "Hear, O Israel! The Lord our God is one Lord; and you shall love the Lord
    your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind,
    and with all your strength."

    I think there's a pretty good number of insubordinate Christians out there
    who are essentially heathens and don't know it. (1Sam 15:22-23)

    So far I've only talked about marriage; but 2Cor 6:14-18 also targets
    ecumenism; which can be roughly defined as an ideology that believes
    everyone's a Christian if they say so. Okay, fine, everyone's a Christian if
    they say so; but do all believe in intelligent design? No. Is everyone in the
    same denomination? No. Do all believe that Christ's crucified body revived?
    No. Do all believe in a literal hell? No. Do all believe in something called once
    saved always saved, a.k.a. eternal security? No. So be careful out there.
    Those are potentially serious missteps.