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Grailhunter
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I have perused through the posts here and have enjoyed the discussion.
And this starts out discussing Miriam and virginity and Joseph and James of which there is much disagreement on.
Love Miriam to death but virginity is not her claim to fame....she is so much more than that.
And some one brought up the concept of Bible only......this topic had appeared in other threads.
Would anyone like to define what Bible only means to them?
And this starts out discussing Miriam and virginity and Joseph and James of which there is much disagreement on.
Love Miriam to death but virginity is not her claim to fame....she is so much more than that.
And some one brought up the concept of Bible only......this topic had appeared in other threads.
Would anyone like to define what Bible only means to them?
Jim B
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What does this actually mean? All believers are holy -- consecrated to God as His children. And, as far as I know, only Peter/Cephas was married, but I don't recall the Bible saying anything about his children.
Jim B
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The Bible is the pure word of God, written by men who were inspired by the Holy Spirit to write what they wrote. Anything outside of what the Bible says is the invention of men.
you right so the apostles must be holy
and they are spiritual fathers of Christians
holy father
Somebody said we can’t call them father or holy father cos of Matt 23:9
Grailhunter
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Types of Christians….what type are you?
Besides the denominations….Catholic….Eastern Orthodox….. Protestant….I am sure there is more and even non-denominational and stand alones that do not attend church, and each interprets the Bible many many ways. But the Bible Only people are mostly in the Protestant denominations.
Now first before I go on I need to say I am multi-denominational or you could say I am non-denominational and attend several types of churches.
I do attend Catholic Churches but 98% of the time I attend Protestant churches and of them I prefer the Holy Ghost churches. And most of them consider themselves Bible Only.
Now I contend that there are two major types or concepts in regard to Bible Only. Beliefs, Truths, Facts
The first type….the True Bible Only’s are as the term implies….they only believe what is in the Bible and conduct their lives in accordance to biblical beliefs only. The true Bible only’s….their beliefs were more or less set in stone thousands of years ago. Only is the keyword.
And this can be very difficult living in the modern age.
This type of Bible Only’s do not consider science as real or correct.
Because of what the Bible says, they must believe that the world is flat and stars can fall to earth. That the earth is fixed, stationary on a foundation of pillars and the sun and moon and universe revolves around the earth.
And diseases are caused by the devil or demons. Mental illnesses are caused by demons and probably women that are affected with bad cases of PMS are caused by demons. And they do not pay much attention to documented history. If they do not believe this, and conduct themselves accordingly they are not true Bible only.
Because of their distain for science, if they get ill they do not call an ambulance or go to a doctor or hospital. But instead will pray and read the Bible. Maybe some home remedies.
They do not own a vehicle or a tractor, they ride horses and use horse drawn equipment.
Because of their distain or unbelief in science. They have none in their life. Their houses are built with saws and axes and hammers. They do not have electricity in there houses, then of course no electrical appliances or equipment. No A/C, no refrigerators, no TV. Running water comes from a hand pump of some sort. And probably entering into a building that had electricity would probably be considered corrupting themselves some how. So of course their churches would not have any of these either.
In accordance with the Bible they can have polygamous marriages and have concubines and can sell their daughters into concubinage. Because the Bible defines them and regulates them and never states a moratorium on these relationships or actions, they are still legitimate relationships. They do not have to have wedding ceremonies because the Bible does not require a wedding ceremony to be married.....so optional. The concept of lord and master over their wives is firmly in place and the submissiveness of the wives are required….. the status of females in society and the church are considered subordinates ….no teaching or preaching in church and no authority over any man. All I can say is....Ladies do not marry into this! If you do, ask them how many wives they have.
Odds are some in this group do not know that there were two distinct groups of Christians in the biblical era....Jewish-Christians and Gentile-Christians....so some this group will be attempting to mix Christianity and Judaism to varying degrees.
They are pacifists.
Sunday as the Christian day of worship would probably be debatable.
Some in this group do not believe in modern miracles, believing that miracles only occurred during the biblical era.
Would voting be considered “of the world?”
I am thinking this would fit somewhat a long the lines of Amish.
The other type could be called Partially Bible Only.
In a lot of ways it would be hard to define this category because it would be up to the individuals to juggle all that is now.
They can pick and choose what part of science they want to agree with. Maybe some of the science that is around them or in their house. They can drive cars and trucks and use computers, tablets, Smart Phones, use the airlines to take trips. This group can enjoy all the modern realities and conveniences afforded to them because of science. But still claim that parts of science are bunk or even a deception.
They may or may not use doctors or medical facilities, dental, psychiatrists, etc. But still there is no reason that they cannot be doctors themselves.
They may go to schools and colleges. Education can be important to them.
They have monogamous relationships and have various beliefs regarding sex and believe wedding ceremonies are required to be married and require a wedding ceremony before making love. And most will believe it came from the Bible and do not know that it was actually the Protestants that first required wedding ceremonies to be married. And this is because many in this group do not pay a lot of attention to history.
The concept of lord and master over the wives can be part of their beliefs so the submissiveness of their wives maybe required…..it is not a firm belief but is mostly held that a woman’s status in society and the church are subordinate….no teaching or preaching in church and no authority over any man. And then there are still grey areas in their beliefs. But the phrase, "A woman should know her place"….comes from these last two groups. So ladies, before you marry one of these guys, ask were your place is.
Some in this group do not believe in modern miracles, believing that miracles only occurred during the biblical era. Then again some in this group believe modern miracles and some in this group believe in the works of the Holy Spirit and tongues to deliver messages and guidance and healing.
On the down side, most of the cults and false religions fall in this group. The Calvinists….OSAS….the Jehovah’s Witnesses???
The next type I will call Dynamic Christianity.
They are not Bible only and do not believe that Christianity is a static religion....hence the name dynamic. They believe that God continued to interact with Christians and continued to communicate beliefs that were additions and corrections to the Bible and believe that the miracles and visitations continued on throughout history. They believe that Churches have the authority to administrate. Introduce new rules and sacraments…..The requirement for wedding ceremonies and vows by the Protestant churches is an example. Of course the Catholics got carried away! But I do agree with them making marriage a sacrament.
On this point they believe the Holy Spirit can deliver personal revelations in tongues and ministry to those that are hurting and need direction.
This group can embrace science and history and do not believe it contradicts the Bible because the Bible was written at the level that the people of the time periods would understand. Trying to explain Quantum science and the universe to Adam and Eve would have probably went over their heads.
As a whole they are going to see the end of slavery and the women’s rights movement as driven by the Holy Spirit. And lord and mastering over your wife is considered abuse. And female authority in the church is a wonderful thing.
This group also believes in monogamous relationships and wedding ceremonies and vows. They have a more positive attitude towards romantic love and sex….Still it is hard to put firm dividing lines between the categories on sex. Is sex inherently corrupting or is sex a blessing of God that should be approached with all seriousness, love, and mutual respect? All three of these categories actually profess a belief that the wedding should occur before sex. How often that happens is anybody’s guess. Even though the Bible Only's do have weddings, it would be considered extrabiblical because there is no requirement for wedding in the Bible....marriages were formed by the union.
This group can enjoy all the modern realities and conveniences afforded to them because of science. Which includes modern medical facilities.
All three categories believe in the basic concepts of sins and moralities. All three categories my have a ton of man-made sins imbedded in them.
All three beliefs are valid. That is why I keep saying Beliefs, Truths, Facts.
On Judgment Day could Yeshua condemn you for believing and doing what the Bible said? I think not.
I am going to open a thread on this
Besides the denominations….Catholic….Eastern Orthodox….. Protestant….I am sure there is more and even non-denominational and stand alones that do not attend church, and each interprets the Bible many many ways. But the Bible Only people are mostly in the Protestant denominations.
Now first before I go on I need to say I am multi-denominational or you could say I am non-denominational and attend several types of churches.
I do attend Catholic Churches but 98% of the time I attend Protestant churches and of them I prefer the Holy Ghost churches. And most of them consider themselves Bible Only.
Now I contend that there are two major types or concepts in regard to Bible Only. Beliefs, Truths, Facts
The first type….the True Bible Only’s are as the term implies….they only believe what is in the Bible and conduct their lives in accordance to biblical beliefs only. The true Bible only’s….their beliefs were more or less set in stone thousands of years ago. Only is the keyword.
And this can be very difficult living in the modern age.
This type of Bible Only’s do not consider science as real or correct.
Because of what the Bible says, they must believe that the world is flat and stars can fall to earth. That the earth is fixed, stationary on a foundation of pillars and the sun and moon and universe revolves around the earth.
And diseases are caused by the devil or demons. Mental illnesses are caused by demons and probably women that are affected with bad cases of PMS are caused by demons. And they do not pay much attention to documented history. If they do not believe this, and conduct themselves accordingly they are not true Bible only.
Because of their distain for science, if they get ill they do not call an ambulance or go to a doctor or hospital. But instead will pray and read the Bible. Maybe some home remedies.
They do not own a vehicle or a tractor, they ride horses and use horse drawn equipment.
Because of their distain or unbelief in science. They have none in their life. Their houses are built with saws and axes and hammers. They do not have electricity in there houses, then of course no electrical appliances or equipment. No A/C, no refrigerators, no TV. Running water comes from a hand pump of some sort. And probably entering into a building that had electricity would probably be considered corrupting themselves some how. So of course their churches would not have any of these either.
In accordance with the Bible they can have polygamous marriages and have concubines and can sell their daughters into concubinage. Because the Bible defines them and regulates them and never states a moratorium on these relationships or actions, they are still legitimate relationships. They do not have to have wedding ceremonies because the Bible does not require a wedding ceremony to be married.....so optional. The concept of lord and master over their wives is firmly in place and the submissiveness of the wives are required….. the status of females in society and the church are considered subordinates ….no teaching or preaching in church and no authority over any man. All I can say is....Ladies do not marry into this! If you do, ask them how many wives they have.
Odds are some in this group do not know that there were two distinct groups of Christians in the biblical era....Jewish-Christians and Gentile-Christians....so some this group will be attempting to mix Christianity and Judaism to varying degrees.
They are pacifists.
Sunday as the Christian day of worship would probably be debatable.
Some in this group do not believe in modern miracles, believing that miracles only occurred during the biblical era.
Would voting be considered “of the world?”
I am thinking this would fit somewhat a long the lines of Amish.
The other type could be called Partially Bible Only.
In a lot of ways it would be hard to define this category because it would be up to the individuals to juggle all that is now.
They can pick and choose what part of science they want to agree with. Maybe some of the science that is around them or in their house. They can drive cars and trucks and use computers, tablets, Smart Phones, use the airlines to take trips. This group can enjoy all the modern realities and conveniences afforded to them because of science. But still claim that parts of science are bunk or even a deception.
They may or may not use doctors or medical facilities, dental, psychiatrists, etc. But still there is no reason that they cannot be doctors themselves.
They may go to schools and colleges. Education can be important to them.
They have monogamous relationships and have various beliefs regarding sex and believe wedding ceremonies are required to be married and require a wedding ceremony before making love. And most will believe it came from the Bible and do not know that it was actually the Protestants that first required wedding ceremonies to be married. And this is because many in this group do not pay a lot of attention to history.
The concept of lord and master over the wives can be part of their beliefs so the submissiveness of their wives maybe required…..it is not a firm belief but is mostly held that a woman’s status in society and the church are subordinate….no teaching or preaching in church and no authority over any man. And then there are still grey areas in their beliefs. But the phrase, "A woman should know her place"….comes from these last two groups. So ladies, before you marry one of these guys, ask were your place is.
Some in this group do not believe in modern miracles, believing that miracles only occurred during the biblical era. Then again some in this group believe modern miracles and some in this group believe in the works of the Holy Spirit and tongues to deliver messages and guidance and healing.
On the down side, most of the cults and false religions fall in this group. The Calvinists….OSAS….the Jehovah’s Witnesses???
The next type I will call Dynamic Christianity.
They are not Bible only and do not believe that Christianity is a static religion....hence the name dynamic. They believe that God continued to interact with Christians and continued to communicate beliefs that were additions and corrections to the Bible and believe that the miracles and visitations continued on throughout history. They believe that Churches have the authority to administrate. Introduce new rules and sacraments…..The requirement for wedding ceremonies and vows by the Protestant churches is an example. Of course the Catholics got carried away! But I do agree with them making marriage a sacrament.
On this point they believe the Holy Spirit can deliver personal revelations in tongues and ministry to those that are hurting and need direction.
This group can embrace science and history and do not believe it contradicts the Bible because the Bible was written at the level that the people of the time periods would understand. Trying to explain Quantum science and the universe to Adam and Eve would have probably went over their heads.
As a whole they are going to see the end of slavery and the women’s rights movement as driven by the Holy Spirit. And lord and mastering over your wife is considered abuse. And female authority in the church is a wonderful thing.
This group also believes in monogamous relationships and wedding ceremonies and vows. They have a more positive attitude towards romantic love and sex….Still it is hard to put firm dividing lines between the categories on sex. Is sex inherently corrupting or is sex a blessing of God that should be approached with all seriousness, love, and mutual respect? All three of these categories actually profess a belief that the wedding should occur before sex. How often that happens is anybody’s guess. Even though the Bible Only's do have weddings, it would be considered extrabiblical because there is no requirement for wedding in the Bible....marriages were formed by the union.
This group can enjoy all the modern realities and conveniences afforded to them because of science. Which includes modern medical facilities.
All three categories believe in the basic concepts of sins and moralities. All three categories my have a ton of man-made sins imbedded in them.
All three beliefs are valid. That is why I keep saying Beliefs, Truths, Facts.
On Judgment Day could Yeshua condemn you for believing and doing what the Bible said? I think not.
I am going to open a thread on this
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Jim B
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Please do open a thread on this, as I don't agree with you arbitrary classifications of people. It sounds more like bigotry to me than actual facts, as there is a spectrum of people that believe certain doctrines and not others. Your classifications are arbitrary and judgmental.
Grailhunter
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ChristisGod
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Yes it alone is inspired by God 2 Timothy 3:16 and the source for truth in the Christian life and has the Authority of God behind it as it’s source . It is sufficient for all things in the life of the believer and there is no need to look outside of it for truth .
Jim B
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Grailhunter
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you’re either Christian or not!
faith and baptism are the requirements for initiation into the new covenant communion of Saints
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