BIBLE VERSIONS CAN AFFECT SALVATION

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Doug

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I've always said that when one is required to over analyze a single word within a verse, to make their doctrinal point, then they have entirely missed the meaning of the pericope

You said we cant analyze a single word so I think Deuteronomy 8:3 is applicable: we live by every word
 
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You said we cant analyze a single word so I think Deuteronomy 8:3 is applicable: we live by every word
Doug, a competent exegete knows when to take a verse in a broad or figurative sense, or literally. You have failed to recognize the difference here.
 

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Up to you, just realize some translations have omitted verses such as Matthew 18:11
You are showing your ignorance in regards to why some verses are not in other versions. It’s not that those versions omitted them, my friend. The newer versions use mss that are much older and closer to when the originals were written, and those verses that were in the mss used by KJV translators had them, and those verses are very questionable.
 
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The KJV does not save us, Christ does, but he is missing in some translations as in Acts 8:37
Up to you, just realize some translations have omitted verses such as Matthew 18:11
It is actually more correct to understand that, the KJV interpreters erroneously added these verses, not that they were deleted by subsequent versions. Although the KJV scholars were sincerely working from the best manuscripts that they had at that time, later manuscript discoveries proves the short comings in their version.
Don't get fanatical Doug, reason and logic perceives this circumstantial process very clearly, and therefore understands why our versions are, as they are.
 

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KJV: 2 Timothy 2:14. Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers.
 
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KJV: 2 Timothy 2:14. Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers.
Good point, I don't think that the verse that you quoted is entirely in context to the point, but it is very closely related. i.e. frivolous discussions or exegesis, over trivial and extraneous issues.
 

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There are three tenses to salvation:

1. We have been saved from the PENALTY of sin (justification)
2. We are being saved from the POWER of sin (ongoing sanctification)
3. We will be saved from the PRESENCE of sin (glorification)

This does not effect the security of our salvation. Romans 8:30 - Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified. *ALL of them.
AMEN IN CHRIST
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For Doug's information, this is what Soli Deo Gloria stands for. We may add, Those whom God predestinated He effectually called, freely justified and HAD SAVED WITHOUT having glorified them in themselves whatsoever.
 
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King James 1 Corinthians 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

New King James 1 Corinthians 1:18 For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.

The majority of Bible versions translate the above verse as "are being saved", instead of "are saved". The translation of this verse affects the security of our salvation. If we are being saved, that is saying our salvation is an unfinished process, and not a present possession. We are saved by the redemption of the Lord Jesus Christ, we are justified freely, as a gift of God (Romans 3:21-26 Romans 5:15 Romans 6:23).

This is just one example highlighting the importance of how translations affect doctrine.

My gifted teacher reprinted the Tischendorfs NT. At the bottom of each page, he gives the comparison of the Codex Alexandrinus, Codex Vaticanus, and the Codex Sinaiticus. What each of them may have added or omitted compared to the original Greek texts.

If anyone has a question about a specific verse, I could tell you what these three earliest translations did.
 

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I gave up worrying about the meaning of every word and verse and just stick to the Bible's BIG PICTURE.
If we believe Jesus is the Son of GOD we are saved by faith.
If that faith then keeps us from being like the sinners of Revelation 22:14-15 then we have nothing to worrry about whether we live through Armageddon or perish before or during it.
All Catholics, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, JWs, atheists, agnostics, BigBang evolutionists, Mormons and such are doomed to destruction for ignoring 22:14-15.
 

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I gave up worrying about the meaning of every word and verse and just stick to the Bible's BIG PICTURE.
If we believe Jesus is the Son of GOD we are saved by faith.
If that faith then keeps us from being like the sinners of Revelation 22:14-15 then we have nothing to worrry about whether we live through Armageddon or perish before or during it.
All Catholics, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, JWs, atheists, agnostics, BigBang evolutionists, Mormons and such are doomed to destruction for ignoring 22:14-15.
Just spreading the hate on everyone...
 
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King James 1 Corinthians 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

New King James 1 Corinthians 1:18 For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.

The majority of Bible versions translate the above verse as "are being saved", instead of "are saved". The translation of this verse affects the security of our salvation. If we are being saved, that is saying our salvation is an unfinished process, and not a present possession. We are saved by the redemption of the Lord Jesus Christ, we are justified freely, as a gift of God (Romans 3:21-26 Romans 5:15 Romans 6:23).

This is just one example highlighting the importance of how translations affect doctrine.


well that is the intent to show the KJV as though its in error, in the name of reprinting in a so called modern English. usually by organizations that are not British. this subtly undermines confidence in the text. to brake out a modern version in the American use of language is futile for those who seek accuracy. the American use of language changes constantly. even the dictionaries continue to modify their documents yearly.

the OED dictionary (20 volume version) covers what English words meant at the time of the KJV translation, and because you can know the understood use of a word then you can know the meaning in the text of the KJV. it stands to reason the KJV is the Lord's intended version its withstood public scrutiny for over 400 years, copies have been sent all over the world more so then any other document in print, and still stands as the most trusted English text. most other languages other than the originals and Latin are based the KJV, and most of the English versions are also based on the KJV.
 
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I gave up worrying about the meaning of every word and verse and just stick to the Bible's BIG PICTURE.
If we believe Jesus is the Son of GOD we are saved by faith.
If that faith then keeps us from being like the sinners of Revelation 22:14-15 then we have nothing to worrry about whether we live through Armageddon or perish before or during it.
All Catholics, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, JWs, atheists, agnostics, BigBang evolutionists, Mormons and such are doomed to destruction for ignoring 22:14-15.

I never worried about anything except loosing the Spirit of Christ. The love of hearing a gifted teacher unveil the hidden truths in God's word was an extra blessing God put in my path.

Im experiencing my own epistle, but it gives such Joy to see a reflection of similarities in the surrendered life we are living with those who lived it in the past.

And " believing" Jesus is the Son of God is not Faith towards God, and will avail nothing.
 

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King James 1 Corinthians 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

New King James 1 Corinthians 1:18 For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.

The majority of Bible versions translate the above verse as "are being saved", instead of "are saved". The translation of this verse affects the security of our salvation. If we are being saved, that is saying our salvation is an unfinished process, and not a present possession. We are saved by the redemption of the Lord Jesus Christ, we are justified freely, as a gift of God (Romans 3:21-26 Romans 5:15 Romans 6:23).

This is just one example highlighting the importance of how translations affect doctrine.
Affecting doctrinal understanding is something very different than affecting salvation. Docterine and scripture are super important , but they are not what saves. Christ alone saves.
 

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It is actually more correct to understand that, the KJV interpreters erroneously added these verses, not that they were deleted by subsequent versions. Although the KJV scholars were sincerely working from the best manuscripts that they had at that time, later manuscript discoveries proves the short comings in their version.

Good! Any examples?
 
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Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God according to Romans 10:17, so wouldn't we want the whole and pure word?
The "whole and pure" and Living Word of God is that which comes out of His mouth.

"But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God." Matt 4:4

Without the lead of the Holy Spirit who can speak or hear the Living Word of God? A devil quoting what is written against a man led by or filled with the Holy Spirit will Not prevail. Do the devil's words, even quoted scriptures, have Life? Consider the what Jesus said about his own words:

"It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life." John 6:63

Here the devil quotes Psalm 91:11-12

"And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone." Matt 4:7


And then Jesus quotes Deut 6:16 back at him:

"Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God" Matt 4:7

Both of them quoted the scriptures. Why did what Jesus quoted prevail?
 

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I never worried about anything except loosing the Spirit of Christ. The love of hearing a gifted teacher unveil the hidden truths in God's word was an extra blessing God put in my path.

Im experiencing my own epistle, but it gives such Joy to see a reflection of similarities in the surrendered life we are living with those who lived it in the past.

And "believing" Jesus is the Son of God is not Faith towards God, and will avail nothing.

"The spirit now working in the children of disobedience" is "a liar from the beginning" now speaking as the Spirit of God in them.
 

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"The spirit now working in the children of disobedience" is "a liar from the beginning" now speaking as the Spirit of God in them.

Just " believing" is not even a true act of Faith.

Faith is an act, based upon a Belief, sustained by confidence.

Defined by the Vines as " a personal surrender to Him and a life inspired by such surrender."

The Strong's," pisteuo means NOT just to believe."

Not your fault that your being decieved, but will be if you don't look into it!
 

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It is actually more correct to understand that, the KJV interpreters erroneously added these verses, not that they were deleted by subsequent versions.
This comment shows that you know nothing of the matter. If there are 1,000 witnesses in a court of law and five of them contradict what the other 95 have said, who are the liars?

A handful of corrupt manuscripts -- PRIMARILY JUST TWO -- became the basis of corrupting the Bibles. Therefore the KJV translators should not be accused of *erroneously adding* verses. It was Gnostic heretics who mutilated the Scriptures to falsify doctrines.

Take some time to properly study the matter before you embarrass yourself further.
 

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This comment shows that you know nothing of the matter. If there are 1,000 witnesses in a court of law and five of them contradict what the other 95 have said, who are the liars?

A handful of corrupt manuscripts -- PRIMARILY JUST TWO -- became the basis of corrupting the Bibles. Therefore the KJV translators should not be accused of *erroneously adding* verses. It was Gnostic heretics who mutilated the Scriptures to falsify doctrines.

Take some time to properly study the matter before you embarrass yourself further.
...yes, but if those 95 witnesses belong to a common identity, they we don't consider the view of just the 95 to be comprehensive enough. Especially when the 5 have a greater weight to the truth, due to their affinity with the source. Thus, numbers do not always count for credibility.
Your logic is extremely discrediting!

An eclectic approach is always a more indicative view of an entire attestation, as opposed to a subset.
And, in the case of such a critical approach, earliest and shortest takes precedence. For that's common sense within any investigational process, of things pertaining to antiquity.

Enoch111, don't you ever get tired of being wrong all the time?
 
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