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Featured BIBLE VERSIONS CAN AFFECT SALVATION

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  1. Doug

    Doug Active Member

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    King James 1 Corinthians 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

    New King James 1 Corinthians 1:18 For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.

    The majority of Bible versions translate the above verse as "are being saved", instead of "are saved". The translation of this verse affects the security of our salvation. If we are being saved, that is saying our salvation is an unfinished process, and not a present possession. We are saved by the redemption of the Lord Jesus Christ, we are justified freely, as a gift of God (Romans 3:21-26 Romans 5:15 Romans 6:23).

    This is just one example highlighting the importance of how translations affect doctrine.
     
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    Actually the versions themselves are only stepping stones and doctrines alone even correct ones will not save us. If we keep our eyes always on the goal, will not God direct us to the Light at the end without regard to all of the details on the pathway? Is not the "always" the key?

    "Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled." Matt 5:6
     
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    Romans 8:16: "The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God's children." This shows that we are (in the present tense) God's children, not "are becoming" God's children. Where there is doubt about a particular translation, we need to interpret Scripture with Scripture instead of making assumptions based on one word that could be translated different ways.
     
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    I've always said that when one is required to over analyze a single word within a verse, to make their doctrinal point, then they have entirely missed the meaning of the pericope. God's Word will never come down to being defined by a single word, or by the dissection of a word, in order to clarify a doctrine. The New Testament, or the entire Bible itself, is big enough with substantial verses, scenarios, implications and contexts throughout it, that one should never need to conduct any type of etymological exercise with a word, in order to define a Biblical principle.

    In other words, if one wants to justify the doctrine of 'once saved, always saved', or the contrary, 'continuous repentance', then they better have more than just the difference of a single verb conjugation between 2 different Bible versions, in order to substantiate it.

    And I personally believe that this is the key, there is way of interpreting a verse where both translations work, or are acceptable. Whereas, another understanding of the message, will cause the two verses to be in contradiction to each other. Yes, there are bad translations in many verses, throughout the scope of Bible versions that we have. But only when isolated, are they misleading or entirely erroneous. But when juxtaposed, or complimented with several other verses, the interpretation typically becomes more feasible and sound, in such a light. i.e. you can say the same thing, in many different ways, even in seemingly opposing ways.

    But again, if your doctrine comes down to a single word analysis, then one needs to find a more comprehensive argument to their position, of which the Bible invariably offers.
     
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    Actually, "are being saved" is a more accurate translation of the Greek.
    Because salvation is a process - it won't be complete until we are glorified with Christ in the future Kingdom!
    But just because salvation is a process, it doesn't follow that we are not secure. When God has started a work, we know that He will complete it (Philippians 1:6).

    So it makes no sense to say that this translation "affects the security of our salvation". It doesn't.
     
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    There are three tenses to salvation:

    1. We have been saved from the PENALTY of sin (justification)
    2. We are being saved from the POWER of sin (ongoing sanctification)
    3. We will be saved from the PRESENCE of sin (glorification)

    This does not effect the security of our salvation. Romans 8:30 - Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified. *ALL of them.
     
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    Are people "justified freely" as you state, or could they be damned if they don't understand all the finer points?

    Somehow I doubt that our salvation depends on our intellectual understanding.
     
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    I was wondering... what were you communicating here?
     
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    Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God according to Romans 10:17, so wouldn't we want the whole and pure word?
     
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    There are plenty of verses that would still communicate that Christ's redemption is sufficient for our salvation, but shouldn't we want confidence in every word (Luke 4:4) instead of being doubtful of them.
    Also wouldn't a verse incorrectly translated cast doubt on the meaning of the verse you cited, or in fact, any verse.
    And by the way in some translations of Luke 4:4 every word of God is omitted
     
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    God has said we live by every word Deuteronomy 8:3
     
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    Sorry, but the KJV isn’t the only whole and pure word. I use it, but mainly use the NASB. I also like the ESV, NIV, (H)CSB, and I also have a Mounce Interlinear. :)
     
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    I am saying that there is a difference in verses among the translations that can be significant in impacting doctrine. God provided teachers for those who don't have understanding Isaiah 28:9 1 Timothy 4:13
     
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    I see what they're doing here: Salvation is no longer by Christ alone, it is by Christ AND the King Jimmy Version.
     
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    Out of context, Doug, c'mon?
     
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    Great observation Doug!
    This falls under the deeper things of God, which are all paradoxes.

    Just like Jesus was 100% God and 100% man at the same time all the time, we are being saved and are saved at the same time, all the time.

    This is because our framework of understanding is not the same as God's framework of understanding.

    And what happens is we get people on opposite poles of the paradox, throwing stones at the other side of the paradox thinking he right and the other is wrong, when they are both right.

    God's framework of understanding is what really needs to be understood before any true sound doctrine can be grafted on. Of course with a a right fulfillment of Faith and recieving His Spirit first!
     
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    Up to you, just realize some translations have omitted verses such as Matthew 18:11
     
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    The KJV does not save us, Christ does, but he is missing in some translations as in Acts 8:37
     
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