Blood-purged Conscience (I)

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Even though believers are free from the guilt (Rom 8:1) and dominion (Rom 6:12, 14) of sin, there will yet remain to some degree a level of bondage in the “conscience,” until the all-sufficient expiation of sin by Christ is learned concerning the once-applied Blood (Heb 10:2, 10). The more the Spirit shows us of our “falling short of God’s glory” (Rom 3:23), the more we will be able to see a deeper understanding and gratitude concerning the Father’s grace.

The prior Covenant provided only forgiveness for Israel to effect the union with God, but there was no provision for the purging of the heart and conscience (Heb 9:9), e.g. permanent redemption (salvation) from the old man’s guilt, and from its rule and dominion. Forgiveness was temporary, for it required the obedience of the high priest (shadow of Christ – Heb 4:15) to renew it “once each year” (Heb 9:7); and the rule and dominance of the sin nature could not be nullified (Rom 8:3; Heb 17:19) until Christ was crucified, and our “old man with Him” (Rom 6:6).

Personally, my understanding is that if the crucifixion of the old man here means eradication of its existence, believers could not be tempted with evil, being without a sinful nature; which would place them within the sinless condition of Christ—which is clearly an unrivaled error that many of us, maybe only briefly, might have entertained early in our Christian learning.

We are not only saved “from” but also “to”—from sin and unto fellowship. Therefore we can now say with Paul, “Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience” (Heb 10:22), which means that we can uninterruptedly “have a good conscience” (Heb 13:18), “before God” (Act 23:1).

Misunderstanding this part of redemption will often bereft one with false-guilt, resulting in delayed spiritual growth. Obtaining salvation (redemption) establishes union with God, but it is through spiritual growth that fellowship with God is realized.
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Our Father delights in having provided access into His presence for us. He would have us fellowship with Him in freedom, and serve Him without bondage. We are not slaves, nor even servants, but children! “Wherefore, you are no longer a servant, but a child; and if a child, then an heir of God through Christ” (Gal 4:7). He never took pleasure in any sacrifice for sins until one was offered which put sins away forever, and gave to the conscience of His worshipers peace in His presence.

Can anything be more blessed than this? That we could, through faith in the facts, have already entered on our everlasting nearness to God, and are now privileged to know the peace proper to the heavenly sanctuary! The true tabernacle is free to us - as free now as it will be when we stand personally amidst its glories. We belong to that priestly family anointed for its holies (1Pe 2:5, 9; Rev 1:6; 5:10) not limited to a holy place, nor serving before a veiled mercy-seat, nor having only a brief access into the holiest, but made meet for heaven itself, and worshipping with a “pure conscience” in the presence of the Father!

Do we prize as we should this blessing of a purged conscience? Do we discern the peculiar grace marking its bestowment? It was entirely unknown to worshippers under the law; not only unknown to the congregation who worshipped without the veil, but equally to the priests who served within. That first tabernacle must have been of bondage to the conscience. Conscience can never be purged by what fails to bring nigh to God. As long as full reconciliation (forgiveness alone did not deliver from sin’s “reign” and “dominion”—NC) was not known – as long as sin was found more effectual to exclude from God, than sacrifice for sin was to bring nigh to Him – so long the conscience could have known no purification.

Not only people but priests, yea, not only priests but even the high priest, must have had sin, not salvation, brought to remembrance by their constant recurring sacrifices. Expiation, full and entire atonement, there was not; for had there been, the demand for expiation would have ceased. This thought must have continually forced itself on all worshipping under the “shadows” (Heb 10:1—NC); and in proportion as conscience was tender and exercised, so would it be sensible of its unpurgedness. Such might fully understand that the flesh was purified for admission into that tabernacle by the appointed blood of goats (Heb 9:13—NC), while at the same time their consciences might be carrying a load of guilt, for which, in such blood, they found no remedy (Heb 9:9—NC).

But now it is not merely the “putting away the filth of the flesh (physical cleaning of the body, i.e. “various washings” – Heb 9:10—NC), but the answer of a good conscience toward God” (1 Pet 3:21). A purged conscience is therefore the distinctive blessing of the saints of this dispensation. “No more conscience of sins” is one of the first good things bestowed on us by our blessed High Priest; and our Father has provided through Him for its maintenance; for if that be not maintained, God well knows that we cannot worship Him in spirit and in truth. It is the everlasting efficacy of the Lord Jesus’ own Blood, once carried in by Himself unto God, which secures this. All we need in order to its constant enjoyment is simple faith in the once-for-all presented Blood (Heb 10:10—NC).

Though all we need in order to a purged conscience is simple faith in what the Lord Jesus’ Blood has effected, we are to “exercise” ourselves to maintain a “conscience void of offence toward God and toward men” (Act 24:16); and the saint of God, who, walking in the Spirit, seeks to maintain a good conscience, will be the most sensible of his many defects and failures, and so will most realize the blessedness of the purged conscience provided for him by the blood of the Lord Jesus. If therefore, there was not this ever-effective provision for purging of conscience, the saint walking most in the Spirit would be bowing his head like a bulrush, and in terror before God, because conscience of so many defilements; though to others all would appear so fair and so devoted.
 

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Even though believers are free from the guilt (Rom 8:1) and dominion (Rom 6:12, 14) of sin, there will yet remain to some degree a level of bondage in the “conscience,” until the all-sufficient expiation of sin by Christ is learned concerning the once-applied Blood (Heb 10:2, 10). The more the Spirit shows us of our “falling short of God’s glory” (Rom 3:23), the more we will be able to see a deeper understanding and gratitude concerning the Father’s grace.

The prior Covenant provided only forgiveness for Israel to effect the union with God, but there was no provision for the purging of the heart and conscience (Heb 9:9), e.g. permanent redemption (salvation) from the old man’s guilt, and from its rule and dominion. Forgiveness was temporary, for it required the obedience of the high priest (shadow of Christ – Heb 4:15) to renew it “once each year” (Heb 9:7); and the rule and dominance of the sin nature could not be nullified (Rom 8:3; Heb 17:19) until Christ was crucified, and our “old man with Him” (Rom 6:6).

Personally, my understanding is that if the crucifixion of the old man here means eradication of its existence, believers could not be tempted with evil, being without a sinful nature; which would place them within the sinless condition of Christ—which is clearly an unrivaled error that many of us, maybe only briefly, might have entertained early in our Christian learning.
This is good as far as it goes. I think you would benefit from the following...

Our spiritual man is made up of soul and spirit. In our soul (which is the part of us that needs saving) are the heart and the conscience, as you say, which make up our nature .. human nature (innocent from birth to age where we know we have sinned against God) -- sin nature (once we have sinned, our hearts and consciences are "attuned to" sin and self, not God) -- and divine nature (our consciences purged and sinless/born again and Christ in our hearts). As you can see, this is the part that most Christians would say is in bondage to sin, original sin, total depravity, etc.

Then there is the spirit -- our mind, emotions, and free will. I say that last because the spirit is not in bondage. Since the fall, it has been able to discern between good and evil because, Ro 2:14-15, "when the Gentiles do by NATURE the things contained in the law, the do show the law written on their HEARTS, their CONSCIENCES also bearing them witness..." In this one verse, we also see that the soul superintends the spirit such that when self is "on the throne," we are carnal .. our desires focused on the flesh .. carnal. BUT if the HOLY SPIRIT is in our soul, His never desires sin and our consciences remain "pure" (1Jn 3:9, Heb 9:14).

So "crucifixion" of the old man is repentance turning from our "ways" (Isa 55:7-8, the things we have errant faith in) and turning to God's "ways" .. or in NT terms, His Holy Spirit. At the same time, our repentance should be from our "thoughts," the beliefs of our spirit .. things we think we know but they are wrong, too. :( This would be the purging of the old man and totally trusting God and Christ who now lives within you. And note: the spiritual man" in the soul is never carnal (Ro 8:9). Your spirit may make hasty, spur of the moment, ill-considered choices to sin but it is because you have not consulted or have ignored (grieved or quenched) the Spirit in your soul.

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skypair said:
This is good as far as it goes. I think you would benefit from the following...

Our spiritual man is made up of soul and spirit. In our soul (which is the part of us that needs saving) are the heart and the conscience, as you say, which make up our nature .. human nature (innocent from birth to age where we know we have sinned against God) -- sin nature (once we have sinned, our hearts and consciences are "attuned to" sin and self, not God) -- and divine nature (our consciences purged and sinless/born again and Christ in our hearts). As you can see, this is the part that most Christians would say is in bondage to sin, original sin, total depravity, etc.

Then there is the spirit -- our mind, emotions, and free will. I say that last because the spirit is not in bondage. Since the fall, it has been able to discern between good and evil because, Ro 2:14-15, "when the Gentiles do by NATURE the things contained in the law, the do show the law written on their HEARTS, their CONSCIENCES also bearing them witness..." In this one verse, we also see that the soul superintends the spirit such that when self is "on the throne," we are carnal .. our desires focused on the flesh .. carnal. BUT if the HOLY SPIRIT is in our soul, His never desires sin and our consciences remain "pure" (1Jn 3:9, Heb 9:14).

So "crucifixion" of the old man is repentance turning from our "ways" (Isa 55:7-8, the things we have errant faith in) and turning to God's "ways" .. or in NT terms, His Holy Spirit. At the same time, our repentance should be from our "thoughts," the beliefs of our spirit .. things we think we know but they are wrong, too. :( This would be the purging of the old man and totally trusting God and Christ who now lives within you. And note: the spiritual man" in the soul is never carnal (Ro 8:9). Your spirit may make hasty, spur of the moment, ill-considered choices to sin but it is because you have not consulted or have ignored (grieved or quenched) the Spirit in your soul.

skypair
Hi SP - I agree with your general line of reasoning, esp. concerning your mention of "desire." I think many are of the concept that the believer no longer has the sinful nature (old man), but to conceive eradication of the sin nature would be to assume being sinless, and nowhere is it said in Scripture saints are sinless. So our death to sin involves the matter of the heart (desire), which is a changed heart, in that we are awakened to what sin is and are enlightened to the desire against it. This is Paul's intention of being a "captive" (Rom 7:23) concerning sin, that it is always against his will, unlike the natural man who willfully sins.

The issue is not the sinning but the cause of sinning, which lies in the desire to sin or the desire not to sin, and the desire (main issue) is the nature. The Spirit via the new nature ("inner man" - Gal 5:17; Eph 3:16) causes the believer to always desire God's "good pleasure" (Phl 2:13) over the desire of the old nature, and this is where God wants us to be.

I believe the old man remains for the sake of it being there in the first place, to continue to teach us God-dependence instead of self-dependence.

God's blessings to your Family!
 

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Hi SP - I agree with your general line of reasoning, esp. concerning your mention of "desire." I think many are of the concept that the believer no longer has the sinful nature (old man), but to conceive eradication of the sin nature would be to assume being sinless, and nowhere is it said in Scripture saints are sinless.
I would just have a little pushback. Your thoughts would be true if man were either only soul or only spirit. But man is both. So whereas the heart/soul cannot sin and is sinless (1Jn 3:9), the WILL/spirit still desires the things of the flesh and is always tempted.

Many think that the Spirit replaces our spirit in our inner man. Not so because then man would be perfectly sinless b/c the Spirit is sinless. Like you say, the Spirit-heart desires only God .. but the thinking of a man can still desire to sin.

Here's another thing along those same lines, NC: With the spirit we BELIEVE .. with the soul we have FAITH. As you probably know, belief is knowledge but faith is trust in our knowledge. Until we repent, we are trusting in our own knowledge and faith whether that knowledge is of self or false gods. But see, in repentance we abandon those "thoughts [beliefs] and ways [faiths]" because "My thoughts are not your thoughts nor My ways your ways." Therefore God says, "Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts; and let him return to the LORD, and He will have mercy upon him, and ... for He will abundantly pardon."

Do you see the soul and spirit differentiated here?

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skypair said:
Your thoughts would be true if man were either only soul or only spirit. But man is both. So whereas the heart/soul cannot sin and is sinless (1Jn 3:9), the WILL/spirit still desires the things of the flesh and is always tempted.

Do you see the soul and spirit differentiated here?
I see the soul as the reasoning element in being decisive for thinking. Our spirit being is the container of the soul, and the body is the container of the spirit.

I also believe that due to the inherent sin nature (old man) from Adam is what determines the soul's decisions. Thus, in our new man we do not sin.
 

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I see the soul as the reasoning element in being decisive for thinking. Our spirit being is the container of the soul, and the body is the container of the spirit.

I also believe that due to the inherent sin nature (old man) from Adam is what determines the soul's decisions. Thus, in our new man we do not sin.
Yeah, that first is pretty good. The spirit is between the soul and flesh so that the spirit is the "battleground" between carnality and spirituality.

The old heart and conscience are of the soul. The heart is deceitful and desperately wicked because it is really focused on self (survival and comfort instincts) and has, from birth, no innate awareness of God. If you recall, Adam was created with awareness of God and no awareness of his flesh (didn't know he was naked).

So the human nature that we are born into a) seeks to the flesh and sin and b) does not know God. The result of that is the propensity to sin.

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Yeah, that first is pretty good. The spirit is between the soul and flesh so that the spirit is the "battleground" between carnality and spirituality.

The old heart and conscience are of the soul. The heart is deceitful and desperately wicked because it is really focused on self (survival and comfort instincts) and has, from birth, no innate awareness of God. If you recall, Adam was created with awareness of God and no awareness of his flesh (didn't know he was naked).

So the human nature that we are born into a) seeks to the flesh and sin and B) does not know God. The result of that is the propensity to sin.

skypair
I'm mostly in agreement here, and many have yet to learn that the old man (sin nature) is not eradicated in the believer, but is constrained on the Cross (Rom 6:6) from "ruling" and "dominating" us (Rom 6:12, 14). Some interpret this to mean we no longer sin, but it means we no longer sin "willfully" (Heb 10:26), e.g. its never the desire in our new nature, only in the old (Rom 7:17, 20). The wrong thoughts, words and actions are evidences of the sin nature's existence.

God bless!
 

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I'm mostly in agreement here, and many have yet to learn that the old man (sin nature) is not eradicated in the believer, but is constrained on the Cross (Rom 6:6) from "ruling" and "dominating" us (Rom 6:12, 14). Some interpret this to mean we no longer sin, but it means we no longer sin "willfully" (Heb 10:26), e.g. its never the desire in our new nature, only in the old (Rom 7:17, 20). The wrong thoughts, words and actions are evidences of the sin nature's existence.

God bless!
I like your take on it. God bless. :)
 

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Great post and great discussion after the post. Cheers NetChaplin and skypair! Good show of gentleness and meekness in argumentation.
 

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Great post and great discussion after the post. Cheers NetChaplin and skypair! Good show of gentleness and meekness in argumentation.
Hi JAN - Thanks too you for mentioning the great importance about proper communications between saints. How we respect one another is far more significant to God than sharing what we believe with one another, because learning to love one another is the prime objective in all things. Regardless the depth of a Biblical truth, it must be shared "in love" (Eph 4:15), without which is "meaningless" (1 Co 13:1-3).

God bless and God Be Blessed!