mailmandan
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Receiving the end of your faith--the salvation of your souls. (1 Peter 1:9)who’s faith is referred to in that verse?
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Receiving the end of your faith--the salvation of your souls. (1 Peter 1:9)who’s faith is referred to in that verse?
Of course believing is continuous and is not some shallow, temporary belief that has no root, produces no fruit and withers away. Believing does not include baptism. Your erroneous conclusion results in salvation by works. Baptismal regeneration is a false doctrine. Luke 7:29 - When all the people and the tax collectors heard this, they justified God/acknowledged God's justice, (signified by) having been baptized with the baptism of John. 30 But the Pharisees and the lawyers rejected God's purpose for themselves, (signified by) not having been baptized by John. Baptism did not magically make them become disciples of John but their decision to become disciples of John was signified in baptism. Becoming a disciple of John was a heart decision that they made prior to receiving water baptism.Jn 3:16 is present tense “a continuous state of believing”
And it includes baptism and all God has revealed!
but it is a covenant not a Bible study must be a seal or sign
baptismal regeneration!
how are disciples made?
@Eternally Grateful Ephesians 2.9 says indeed: 'not of works, lest any man should boast'........Jesus told us how to be born again in John 3
No work involved. As paul said. Lest anyone should boast.
The only work involved in our new birth is the work of Christ on the cross
Not "to be" born again but to demonstrate that you have been regenerated. Titus 3:4-7 does not even mention water baptism since the New Birth is internal and supernatural. Had baptism been necessary to be born again Paul would have included the necessity of baptism for salvation in his preaching. But he said that he was NOT sent to baptize but to preach the Gospel. Which does not mean that he thought that baptism was unimportant. What he meant was that the New Birth is not produced by water baptism (as taught by the Catholic Church, and a few other churches). But after a person is born again (which corresponds to receiving the gift of the Holy Spirit), they must be baptized as seen in Acts 2 and 10.then you must be baptized to be born again!
Receiving the end of your faith--the salvation of your souls. (1 Peter 1:9)
Of course believing is continuous and is not some shallow, temporary belief that has no root, produces no fruit and withers away. Believing does not include baptism. Your erroneous conclusion results in salvation by works. Baptismal regeneration is a false doctrine. Luke 7:29 - When all the people and the tax collectors heard this, they justified God/acknowledged God's justice, (signified by) having been baptized with the baptism of John. 30 But the Pharisees and the lawyers rejected God's purpose for themselves, (signified by) not having been baptized by John. Baptism did not magically make them become disciples of John but their decision to become disciples of John was signified in baptism. Becoming a disciple of John was a heart decision that they made prior to receiving water baptism.
Not "to be" born again but to demonstrate that you have been regenerated. Titus 3:4-7 does not even mention water baptism since the New Birth is internal and supernatural. Had baptism been necessary to be born again Paul would have included the necessity of baptism for salvation in his preaching. But he said that he was NOT sent to baptize but to preach the Gospel. Which does not mean that he thought that baptism was unimportant. What he meant was that the New Birth is not produced by water baptism (as taught by the Catholic Church, and a few other churches). But after a person is born again (which corresponds to receiving the gift of the Holy Spirit), they must be baptized as seen in Acts 2 and 10.
water baptism has been a thorn in the churches side like circumcision was a thorn in the side of the jews. They can't get past these traditions that God gave to reveal a spiritual truth that both of these represent.Of course believing is continuous and is not some shallow, temporary belief that has no root, produces no fruit and withers away. Believing does not include baptism. Your erroneous conclusion results in salvation by works. Baptismal regeneration is a false doctrine. Luke 7:29 - When all the people and the tax collectors heard this, they justified God/acknowledged God's justice, (signified by) having been baptized with the baptism of John. 30 But the Pharisees and the lawyers rejected God's purpose for themselves, (signified by) not having been baptized by John. Baptism did not magically make them become disciples of John but their decision to become disciples of John was signified in baptism. Becoming a disciple of John was a heart decision that they made prior to receiving water baptism.
I believe all of God's revelation. I just don't believe your misinterpretation of scripture that results in salvation by works.you don’t have to believe all of God’s revelation?
all the eternal words of Christ?
Ez 36:25
Mk 16:16
Jn 3:5
Acts 2:38-39
Acts 8:36-38
Acts 22:16
etc.
Matthew 24:35
Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away
water baptism has been a thorn in the churches side like circumcision was a thorn in the side of the jews. They can't get past these traditions that God gave to reveal a spiritual truth that both of these represent.
Its 2 of satan's greatest victories
I believe all of God's revelation. I just don't believe your misinterpretation of scripture that results in salvation by works.
You teach salvation by faith (your version of faith) "infused with works" and those works become meritorious towards receiving salvation. That nullifies grace!we don’t teach or believe salvation by works!
salvation is by grace!
United to Christ in the new covenant church!
water baptism has been a thorn in the churches side like circumcision was a thorn in the side of the jews. They can't get past these traditions that God gave to reveal a spiritual truth that both of these represent.
Its 2 of satan's greatest victories
water baptism has been a thorn in the churches side like circumcision was a thorn in the side of the jews. They can't get past these traditions that God gave to reveal a spiritual truth that both of these represent.
Its 2 of satan's greatest victories
water baptism has been a thorn in the churches side like circumcision was a thorn in the side of the jews. They can't get past these traditions that God gave to reveal a spiritual truth that both of these represent.
Its 2 of satan's greatest victories
You teach salvation by faith (your version of faith) "infused with works" and those works become meritorious towards receiving salvation. That nullifies grace!