Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

[Ronald Nolette]

DOTL = day of the Lord.


Both Pretribbers and Preterists, and anyone else doing what they are wrongly doing, need to start paying closer attention to details and quit twisting the texts involved in order to get the DOTL to fit where it doesn't remotely fit. The DOTL does not fit at the beginning of great tribulation. It fits after great tribulation proved by all of the following. And there is even more passages than the following that proves it except I'm not going to list every single passage that might prove it.

Amos 5:18 Woe unto you that desire the day of the LORD! to what end is it for you? the day of the LORD is darkness, and not light.
19 As if a man did flee from a lion, and a bear met him; or went into the house, and leaned his hand on the wall, and a serpent bit him.
20 Shall not the day of the LORD be darkness, and not light? even very dark, and no brightness in it?

Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

What I have underlined in verse 29 also depicts darkness, and that we are told the time of this darkness does not precede the beginning of great tribulation, it immediately follows great tribulation.

Revelation 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

What I have underlined in verse 12 and 13 also depicts darkness, and is obviously referring to the same time period and events Matthew 24:29 is.

Isaiah 13:9 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.

The DOTL involves both wrath and fierce anger.

Revelation 6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?


And so does this involve wrath. And that you can't have wrath without fierce anger. The text indicates that the great day of his wrath is come, and not, His great day of wrath already came earlier before the time of the 6th seal. That is a contradiction if it is not until the time of the 6th seal that His great day of wrath has initially come.



Something else I would like to point out. The first trumpet is not meaning chronologically sometime later following the events recorded in the 6th seal. It is not logical that the first trumpet can follow after the 6th seal since the 5th seal must precede the 6th seal, and that the 5th seal, for example, meaning this---a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled(Revelation 6:11)---is involving the time of the 6th trumpet(Revelation 11:2,7, Revelation 13:5,7,15)

And that Revelation 6:17 is involving the era of time and events that Revelation 11:15,18 is involving.

Therefore, How can trumpet 1 follow the 5th and 6th seal when the 5th seal is involving the 6th trumpet, and that the 6th seal is involving the 7th trumpet? Since when does the number 6 and number 7 precede the number 1 rather than follows it?

IOW, trumpet 1 comes before trumpet 6 and 7. Seriously, who could be that bad at math where they have 6 and 7 meaning before 1 rather than after 1? Nobody, right? Once again, the fact the 6th trumpet involves the 5th seal, the 7th trumpet involves the 6th seal, clearly tells any objective person not placing their doctrinal bias' above that of common sense, that this means that the first trumpet can't be meaning after the 5th and 6th seal in that case, since it causes a mathematical impossibility with the 7 trumpets if trumpet 6 and 7 correlate with seal 5 and 6.

Well being an outright steadfast pre-tribber, I know that the 70th week of Daniel does begin with the Day of the Lord.

1. The Word day does not always mean a 24 hour period.

2. In rev. 6 we see the kings of the earth saying the day of the Lord has commenced.

But as the Tribulation is also the 70th week of Daniel, the last 7 years aka the Day of the Lord, aka the tribulation, aka the Great tribulation, aka the time of Jacobs trouble et al. does begin as it states in Daniel 9, when the Antichrist signs a 7 year covenant with Israel.

 

[amigo de christo]

Sure i do - for i believe the words of God

speaking of believe and beleiving the words of GOD thus of Christ .
Take a good long look at just a wee bit of what JESUS suffered .
THEN remember He did this for the sake of humanity so that all WHO DO BELEIVE on HIM
would not perish but have everlasting life .
Now as we watch just some of what JESUS suffered
PONDER ON THIS TOO . HE who honors NOT the SON , HONORS NOT the FATHER .
THEN examine this so called love of god plan , this so called ecumeincal whore led plan of interfaith
AND watch as they sing aloud and call GOD , call JESUS a liar
and say WE DONT NEED TO BELIEVE YOU DID THIS
HEY ALL RELIGOINS SERVE THE SAME GOD . they MOCK JESUS dude .

 

[David in NJ]

speaking of believe and beleiving the words of GOD thus of Christ .
Take a good long look at just a wee bit of what JESUS suffered .
THEN remember He did this for the sake of humanity so that all WHO DO BELEIVE on HIM
would not perish but have everlasting life .
Now as we watch just some of what JESUS suffered
PONDER ON THIS TOO . HE who honors NOT the SON , HONORS NOT the FATHER .
THEN examine this so called love of god plan , this so called ecumeincal whore led plan of interfaith
AND watch as they sing aloud and call GOD , call JESUS a liar
and say WE DONT NEED TO BELIEVE YOU DID THIS
HEY ALL RELIGOINS SERVE THE SAME GOD . they MOCK JESUS dude .

i cry everytime

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I wanted to address these two passages in your post. With you or anyone who cares to answer.

Amos 5:18 Woe unto you that desire the day of the LORD! to what end is it for you? the day of the LORD is darkness, and not light.
19 As if a man did flee from a lion, and a bear met him; or went into the house, and leaned his hand on the wall, and a serpent bit him.
20 Shall not the day of the LORD be darkness, and not light? even very dark, and no brightness in it?

If the Day of the Lord is the day of God's wrath or,the Great Tribulation, and the Amos verse says we would not want to suffer through that,why would we think God would let us to?

When the GT is supposed to be Gods wrath falling upon an unbelieving world.
Right?

How then would believers be there too?

Based on what is written in passages like 1 Thessalonians 4:14-5:3 and 2 Peter 3:10-12, the day of the Lord refers to the actual day that Jesus will come as a thief in the night. On that day, which will come unexpectedly as a thief in the night, we (believers, including the resurrected dead in Christ) will be caught up to meet the Lord in the air and Jesus will then destroy all unbelievers with "sudden destruction" from which "they shall not escape" (1 Thess 5:2-3).

 

[Gray_Joy]

Based on what is written in passages like 1 Thessalonians 4:14-5:3 and 2 Peter 3:10-12, the day of the Lord refers to the actual day that Jesus will come as a thief in the night. On that day, which will come unexpectedly as a thief in the night, we (believers, including the resurrected dead in Christ) will be caught up to meet the Lord in the air and Jesus will then destroy all unbelievers with "sudden destruction" from which "they shall not escape" (1 Thess 5:2-3).

I am also one who does not believe God's faithful will suffer the wrath meant for an unbelieving world. Though it does appear people will be able to find their way to God's grace even during that time.

Though they will suffer greatly for doing so.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Who are the ones taken before the flood, (before the trib), in Matt 24?
Nobody in your camp knows.

If you mean the post-trib camp, then you're wrong. Many of us understand these things that you don't understand. The ones taken before the wrath occurs that Jesus compared to the flood of Noah's day are those who are in the church. After they are taken up to meet Christ in the air all unbelievers will be killed just like all unbelievers were killed by the flood. Very simple.

Matthew 24:35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away. 36 “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only. 37 But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 38 For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, 39 and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.

Who are the 144,000 ?
Nobody in your camp knows.

They symbolically represent those who belong to Christ. First, John is told about the 144,000 and then he is shown who they symbolically represent. The fact that the tribe of Dan is omitted from the list of tribes and the fact that it includes both Joseph and his son Manasseh (that is never the case in the Old Testament), but not his son Ephraim, shows that the 144,000 from the tribes of Israel should be taken symbolically and not literally.

What gathering is Rev 14:14?
Nobody in your camp knows.

The gathering of the church when Jesus returns. Your claim that no one in the post-trib camp knows the answers to these questions is unfounded.

Why does the bride become the wife IN HEAVEN, in Rev 19?
Nobody in your camp knows.

Ridiculous question. The bride and the wife are the same thing and it does not indicate that the marriage takes place in heaven.

Revelation 19:7 Let us be glad and rejoice and give Him glory, for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and His wife has made herself ready.”

The time for the marriage has come at this point because His wife/bride will have made herself ready for the marriage at that point. Nowhere does it say that the marriage has already taken place at that point.

Why does Jesus say his coming will be before the flood in mat 24?
Nobody In your camp knows.

LOL! He didn't say that. He compared what will happen on the day He comes again to what happened on the day Noah entered the ark and the flood came. What happened when the flood came? It destroyed all unbelievers. Jesus said "so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.".

Why is power given to the AC to destroy the saints?
Nobody in your camp knows.

I assume you are talking about the beast and referring to Revelation 13:7. The reason God allows His people to be persecuted is because He wants their faith to be tested even until death and He wants them to be refined through the fire.

Revelation 2:10 Do not fear any of those things which you are about to suffer. Indeed, the devil is about to throw some of you into prison, that you may be tested, and you will have tribulation ten days. Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of life.

1 Peter 1:6 In this you greatly rejoice, though now for a little while, if need be, you have been grieved by various trials, 7 that the genuineness of your faith, being much more precious than gold that perishes, though it is tested by fire, may be found to praise, honor, and glory at the revelation of Jesus Christ,

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

What if what a person beleives to be is biblically doctrinal , is really the indotrination o men .
THERE be a cure to bad doctrines .
There is a solution by which one can truly prove whether his doctrine be of men or of GOD .
And its a real easy one too my friend .
I suggest we all do it for ourselves .
SO i am giving out the request for all to put down any other books and etc
and pick up again the bible . I would like to see if one read the bible
again for themselves . just spend about two hours a day reading it for a month , YOU SEE what begins to happen .
Now i gave that to all folks to do . SEE what would happen .
For many be the doctrines of men , and while a few doctrines might agree with the bible , MANY do not agree at all
with the bible . And so long as men sit under men , their doctrines
THEY will learn these doctrines and not be able to see whether or not what they are being taught IS actually
the whole rightly divided t ruth .
SO an easy way to start is to BEGIN again with just the BIBLE .
I read it daily , the letters as a whole , e ven with others .
Just enjoy what you read , be learning , be r efreshed . Watch what begins to happen .

Yes, like the Bereans did.

Acts 17:10 Then the brethren immediately sent Paul and Silas away by night to Berea. When they arrived, they went into the synagogue of the Jews. 11 These were more fair-minded than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness, and searched the Scriptures daily to find out whether these things were so.

 

[Davy]

Nobody's using anything as any kind of "excuse" for anything.


Right, and the issue here is what is meant by that throne, which I was very clear about in my previous post.

About as clear as mud, since you can't even understand what an earthly throne is, even one that God assigned to David on earth on which his descendants of the past sat on, and which Jesus is to sit upon when He returns.

Matt 19:28
28 And Jesus said unto them, "Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed Me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of His glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel."
KJV

 

[Marvelloustime]

i cry everytime

Me too.

 

[David in NJ]

If you mean the post-trib camp, then you're wrong. Many of us understand these things that you don't understand. The ones taken before the wrath occurs that Jesus compared to the flood of Noah's day are those who are in the church. After they are taken up to meet Christ in the air all unbelievers will be killed just like all unbelievers were killed by the flood. Very simple.

Matthew 24:35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away. 36 “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only. 37 But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 38 For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, 39 and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.


They symbolically represent those who belong to Christ. First, John is told about the 144,000 and then he is shown who they symbolically represent. The fact that the tribe of Dan is omitted from the list of tribes and the fact that it includes both Joseph and his son Manasseh (that is never the case in the Old Testament), but not his son Ephraim, shows that the 144,000 from the tribes of Israel should be taken symbolically and not literally.


The gathering of the church when Jesus returns. Your claim that no one in the post-trib camp knows the answers to these questions is unfounded.


Ridiculous question. The bride and the wife are the same thing and it does not indicate that the marriage takes place in heaven.

Revelation 19:7 Let us be glad and rejoice and give Him glory, for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and His wife has made herself ready.”

The time for the marriage has come at this point because His wife/bride will have made herself ready for the marriage at that point. Nowhere does it say that the marriage has already taken place at that point.


LOL! He didn't say that. He compared what will happen on the day He comes again to what happened on the day Noah entered the ark and the flood came. What happened when the flood came? It destroyed all unbelievers. Jesus said "so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.".


I assume you are talking about the beast and referring to Revelation 13:7. The reason God allows His people to be persecuted is because He wants their faith to be tested even until death and He wants them to be refined through the fire.

Revelation 2:10 Do not fear any of those things which you are about to suffer. Indeed, the devil is about to throw some of you into prison, that you may be tested, and you will have tribulation ten days. Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of life.

1 Peter 1:6 In this you greatly rejoice, though now for a little while, if need be, you have been grieved by various trials, 7 that the genuineness of your faith, being much more precious than gold that perishes, though it is tested by fire, may be found to praise, honor, and glory at the revelation of Jesus Christ,

Excellent Truth answers from the Holy Spirit - great to wake UP to

 

[amigo de christo]

i cry everytime

and i also , specially every time i see more and more following that all inclusive god and HIS well favored harlot
WHO has PUMPED A LIE unto them all . A lie that has them convinced more and more
that GOD is fine with all the religoins and that all religoins do worship the same God .
And that the GOD of the christain is no better than the god of the muslim or any other religoin
cause they all just worshipping THE SAME GOD in different ways .
KINDA ODD dont ya think . SEE their are NOT MANY different ways TO GOD
but ONLY ONE WAY TO GOD . THAT WAY BE JESUS and IF one beleives NOT on HIM , that HE IS CHRIST , SON OF GOD
and that in HE alone is eternal life , then that one who beleives NOT this testimony
that GOD gave of THE SON , Aint following GOD differently , but rather CALL THE ONE TRUE GOD A LIAR .
JESUS who paid the price of the sins of humanity , IS by their love , their inclusive broad path
BEING MOCKED . As they may as well say TO HIM
HEY you shall get NO HONOR , NO GLORY , NO RECOGNITION from us as to what you did .
THAT IS WHAT THEY DO david and have no idea they do so .
WE dont have to BELEIVE YOU DID THIS , they say , YOU will get no recongition from us
for our all inclusive god saves us , IF EVEN we dont believe at all .
THAT IS THEIR MESSAGE . AND YOU SEE HOW ANTI CHRIST THAT MESSAGE IS .
but boy has it come claoked as though love and loving . When its naught but death and destruction unto them all .

 

[amigo de christo]

I am also one who does not believe God's faithful will suffer the wrath meant for an unbelieving world. Though it does appear people will be able to find their way to God's grace even during that time.

Though they will suffer greatly for doing so.

Gray joy you are correct when you say that the FAITHFUL of GOD will NOT suffer the wrath MEANT for this unbelieving world .
But the wrath of an angry beast , WILL MAKE WAR against this FAITHFUL camp .
FOR it has been given unto him to make war with THE SAINTS .
NOW here is when this unfaithful world and that beast and all that followed it
WILL recieve the WRATH OF GOD ALL MIGHTY and OF THE LAMB .
WHEN HE DO COME FOR HIS CHURCH and FOR TO LAY DOWN the wrath of GOD
against this ungodly inclusive anti christ beast and its men and all who loved a lie
all who had taken its mark of l oyalty .
THE problem is PRE TRIB cannot discern between the wrath of the beast and the WRATH OF GOD that cometh
against the beast . THEY actually cannot discern this .

 

[amigo de christo]

Excellent Truth answers from the Holy Spirit - great to wake UP to

I am sure you have noticed this my friend .
The problem with pre trib and those who cling too and sit under it IS
they cannot discern the diference between the wrath of GOD and the tribulation wrath of the beast .
THEY cannot see nor discern that indeed the church has been appointed unto triubalation
And that in fact its a manifest token of the righteous judgment of GOD by which we do suffer for THIS KINGDOM and THIS KING JESUS .
NOR will they be able to discern , IF THEY REPENT NOT and continue to follow men , THE VERY thing
which by which if a man do take , WILL FOREVER DAMN HIS SOUL .
i have heard them . David i have heard them even at times implying if one did take the mark HE can still repent .
OR that in no way can it be the mark IF we are still here . THEY BEING SET UP david . THEY ARE BEING
set up . And why one might wonder .
Because their cares are about THIS LIFE . they dont want to beleive THEY would ever have to suffer for HIS sake .
THEY want to beleive in one who can simply give them THEIR BEST LIFE NOW .
Pre trib has brought destruction before. AND sadly it will again .
Cause when the going started to get rough and threats of tribulation was coming against them
THEIR leaders sold them all the idea , HEY dont worry , we will soon be gone . GOD wont allow that .
AND THEN IT DID COME upon them and THEY DID FALL AWAY .
bedazzled and confused as to WHY GOD would have allowed them to go through it .
And later a preacher wept and gave a testimony about HOW that had happend to many churches in CHINA .
We had told and prepared our churches that they would NOT have to endure this that was coming .
AND it came and many sold out and felt betrayed by GOD .
The man was crying as he said this david . HE had repeneted for doing so .
But his tears and his voice were truly heavy and very sad that he had t aught them this
and NOT RATHER prepared them to ENDURE the TRIBULATION faithful to the end .

 

[amigo de christo]

i cry everytime

THIS is what the churches of the true apostels prepared and taught their people .
But due to acroymns and teachings of men , THEY DO NOT prepare this people to endure FAITHFUL to the end .
THEY prepare them for something else .

 

[PinSeeker]

About as clear as mud, since you can't even understand what an earthly throne is, even one that God assigned to David on earth on which his descendants of the past sat on, and which Jesus is to sit upon when He returns.

Ohhhh, I understand very well your... "understanding."

Matt 19:28

28 And Jesus said unto them, "Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed Me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of His glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel."​

KJV

Yes, the throne of His glory (bolded) is far, far greater than your very.... earthly... understanding of His throne in comparison to David's throne. That's the issue here, in addition, I think, to what you think is meant by "throne."

Grace and peace to you, Davy.

 

[amigo de christo]

Yes, like the Bereans did.

Acts 17:10 Then the brethren immediately sent Paul and Silas away by night to Berea. When they arrived, they went into the synagogue of the Jews. 11 These were more fair-minded than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness, and searched the Scriptures daily to find out whether these things were so.

I have a good but serious reminder for us all today .
IF anyone here thinks JESUS and later the apostels went around SIMPLY TRYING TO MAKE MEN FEEL GOOD and ACCEPTED .
YOU done fell for a lie .
JESUS never went about trying to find common ground . AND HIS MINSTIRY
darn sure was not HEY lets just make them FEEL GOOD , FEEL WELCOME , FEEL accepted .
HIS mission was THE TRUTH . and you can bet he often OFFENDED .
EVEN when what HE said caused them to be offended , HE DID NOT THEN t ry and change it
to make them FEEL OKAY , FEEL GOOD , OR FEEL ACCEPTED .
LORD , LORD , dont you know this saying OFFENDED THEM .
LEAVE THEM BE . THEY are the blind leading the blind , and every plant that MY FATHER has not planted
SHALL be rooted up .
NOW everything JESUS DID was FOR THEIR GOOD . no doubt about that . HE often f ed , he healed
HE did good . AND HIS GOOD ALSO Included many WORDS of truth , much correction .
Many warnings too .
As did the apostels .
IF the jesus one embraces goes about trying to make everyone feel accepted
ITS THE WRONG JESUS . IF the JESUS one follows AGREES with ALL THE WORDS JESUS TAUGHT
and ALL T HINGS HE DID , THEN IT IS JESUS YOU FOLLOW . let us learn our bible well . That is a huge help .
Yes my friends let us learn our bible well . For he who seeks to please man be not the servant of CHRIST .
Its not about pleasing man , but GOD who tries our hearts .
THEN a man would speak and have done that which was BEST for the people .
LET us return to them lovely pages .

 

[amigo de christo]

Excellent Truth answers from the Holy Spirit - great to wake UP to

IF anyone here thinks JESUS and later the apostels went around SIMPLY TRYING TO MAKE MEN FEEL GOOD and ACCEPTED .
then they have done fell for a lie .
JESUS never went about trying to find common ground . AND HIS MINSTIRY
darn sure was not HEY lets just make them FEEL GOOD , FEEL WELCOME , FEEL accepted .
HIS mission was THE TRUTH . and you can bet he often OFFENDED .
EVEN when what HE said caused them to be offended , HE DID NOT THEN t ry and change it
to make them FEEL OKAY , FEEL GOOD , OR FEEL ACCEPTED .
LORD , LORD , dont you know this saying OFFENDED THEM .
LEAVE THEM BE . THEY are the blind leading the blind , and every plant that MY FATHER has not planted
SHALL be rooted up .
NOW everything JESUS DID was FOR THEIR GOOD . no doubt about that . HE often f ed , he healed
HE did good . AND HIS GOOD ALSO Included many WORDS of truth , much correction .
Many warnings too .
As did the apostels .
IF the jesus one embraces goes about trying to make everyone feel accepted
ITS THE WRONG JESUS . IF the JESUS one follows AGREES with ALL THE WORDS JESUS TAUGHT
and ALL T HINGS HE DID , THEN IT IS JESUS YOU FOLLOW . let us learn our bible well . That is a huge help .
For if i were to seek to please man I would not be the servant of CHRIST .
its not about seeking to PLEASE man but rather GOD who tries our hearts .
IF a man is all about seeking GOD then HIS WORDS and actions HAD been what is best for the people.
BUT when men go about seeking to please men , seeking to MAKE them feel accepted
WELL just look at what happend to the SEEKER FRIENDLY and them churches . DOWN HILL they all went .
FOR when man seeks to please man , YOU cAN BET TRUTH that offends WILL BE OMITTED
and rather messages that please man WILL increase .

 

[David in NJ]

I am sure you have noticed this my friend .
The problem with pre trib and those who cling too and sit under it IS
they cannot discern the diference between the wrath of GOD and the tribulation wrath of the beast .
THEY cannot see nor discern that indeed the church has been appointed unto triubalation
And that in fact its a manifest token of the righteous judgment of GOD by which we do suffer for THIS KINGDOM and THIS KING JESUS .
NOR will they be able to discern , IF THEY REPENT NOT and continue to follow men , THE VERY thing
which by which if a man do take , WILL FOREVER DAMN HIS SOUL .
i have heard them . David i have heard them even at times implying if one did take the mark HE can still repent .
OR that in no way can it be the mark IF we are still here . THEY BEING SET UP david . THEY ARE BEING
set up . And why one might wonder .
Because their cares are about THIS LIFE . they dont want to beleive THEY would ever have to suffer for HIS sake .
THEY want to beleive in one who can simply give them THEIR BEST LIFE NOW .
Pre trib has brought destruction before. AND sadly it will again .
Cause when the going started to get rough and threats of tribulation was coming against them
THEIR leaders sold them all the idea , HEY dont worry , we will soon be gone . GOD wont allow that .
AND THEN IT DID COME upon them and THEY DID FALL AWAY .
bedazzled and confused as to WHY GOD would have allowed them to go through it .
And later a preacher wept and gave a testimony about HOW that had happend to many churches in CHINA .
We had told and prepared our churches that they would NOT have to endure this that was coming .
AND it came and many sold out and felt betrayed by GOD .
The man was crying as he said this david . HE had repeneted for doing so .
But his tears and his voice were truly heavy and very sad that he had t aught them this
and NOT RATHER prepared them to ENDURE the TRIBULATION faithful to the end .

People are unable to discern Truth from a lie is when people give themselves over to believing a false teaching/prophecy because they trust in man/religion over "It is written"

 

[amigo de christo]

If a christain truly goes about to seek that which pleases GOD
then i tell us all
HE does follow THE CHRIST .
FOR CHRIST did always that which is PLEASING TO THE FATHER .
but if someones jesus goes about to try and omit the truth , tries to be rather pleasing to man ,
THEN IT AINT JESUS .
Wanna see WHO and what pleases GOD .
THEN OPEN BIBLE
and see what GOD SAID to the apostels on that moutain . THEN GO and learn this JESUS well .
THIS is my well BELOVED SON in whom i am WELL PLEASED , HEAR YE HIM . HEAR YE HIM . HEAR YE HIM .

 

[amigo de christo]

WHO always pleased GOD , JESUS DID .
What is pleasing to GOD , ONE WHOSE FAITH BE IN THIS JESUS who was always pleasing to GOD .
Whose faith be IN JESUS , why its the sheep who believes in HIM and HIS WORDS .
And not a word one of GOD is a lie . EVERY word of GOD is TRUTH and is meat for the sheep .
For this cause was i born and for this cause came i into the world ,
TO testify of THE TRUTH . Everyone who is of the truth comes TO ME .
They were thine and you gave THEM TO ME . All whom GOD the FATHER DRAWS , HE DRAWS TO CHRIST .
not some other jesus and not some false religoin either .