I was, once.
Now, I consider it an insult to be called that.
Theologians can only serve "milk."
Bread and wine or crackers and kool-aid
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Now, I consider it an insult to be called that.
Theologians can only serve "milk."
David Lamb
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That is too great a generalisation. Not all theologians can serve only "mik".
LOL
Theology is one of the most diverse disciplines there is.
What is there to being a theologian?
A theologian is a biblical scholar. Terms hermeneutics
Theology is the study of history and sociology
Theology is the study of linguists/philology
Theology is the sturdy of anthropology.
Theology is the study of archaeologist.
Why all these things?
It is not enough to know the scriptures. You have to know the history of the scriptures as they moved along history.
It is not enough to know linguistics but the philology of them. What is written in one time period may mean something different in another time period.
The study of historical time periods and cultures gives insight to why people did what they did and why they wrote what they wrote in the context of the circumstances.
So when people critize theologians, I have to chuckle because they are fitting themselves for a dunce cap…..clueless.
BlueNightingale
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You guys used kool-aid?
I went to a Celtic Catholic school (I am NOT Catholic) and even for children they used wine. Several children acted drunk from less than a half ounce.
No matter what is used, we're not actually eating his flesh and drinking his blood. The symbolic act is what's important. It's the same with using Jesus' name. That wasn't his Hebrew name, but people have gotten saved by that name and variations of his name in other languages. God knows our intent.
The cracker is supposed to be matza.....unleavened bread. As was commonly eaten during passover. Except its supposed to be fresh matza....not leftover and dried out.
Bread in Hebrew is another metaphor that isn't exactly bread. It includes bread but its meaning is "basic food" in contrast to party food of a fatted calf, lamb, mutton, goat, or game meats. Not Anything of a celebratory nature but what you eat on a daily basis.
Which is in contrast to the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil....which consuming/ internalizing it brought separation. Now we are to internalize/consume Jesus.
The grape juice.....wine.
Wine is symbolic of joy....but also Jesus's blood.
Wine in Greek or Hebrew is literally the "blood of the grape".....sometimes "foaming blood of the grape"
Nazarite vows forbid having any grapes, raisins, or wine.
Most of the time wine was mixed with water as a flavoring agent for the water....kinda like koolaide.
At passover there were 4 cups of wine to go with dinner....Jesus used the "love" cup and then said the exact same line as a groom wou,d say to a fiancee during the engagement party. Basically asking the apostles to be emotionally and intellectually intimate with God.
"Asking the Church to be the bride of Christ" is the metaphoric allusion.
You are entitled to believe what you wish....
Bread in Hebrew is another metaphor that isn't exactly bread. It includes bread but its meaning is "basic food" in contrast to party food of a fatted calf, lamb, mutton, goat, or game meats. Not Anything of a celebratory nature but what you eat on a daily basis.
Which is in contrast to the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil....which consuming/ internalizing it brought separation. Now we are to internalize/consume Jesus.
The grape juice.....wine.
Wine is symbolic of joy....but also Jesus's blood.
Wine in Greek or Hebrew is literally the "blood of the grape".....sometimes "foaming blood of the grape"
Nazarite vows forbid having any grapes, raisins, or wine.
Most of the time wine was mixed with water as a flavoring agent for the water....kinda like koolaide.
At passover there were 4 cups of wine to go with dinner....Jesus used the "love" cup and then said the exact same line as a groom wou,d say to a fiancee during the engagement party. Basically asking the apostles to be emotionally and intellectually intimate with God.
"Asking the Church to be the bride of Christ" is the metaphoric allusion.
You are entitled to believe what you wish....
I must of misread it....Did Christ say this is symbolically my body and symbolically my blood that I give symbolically for the symbolic New Covenant for your symbolic salvation so you can pretend to think you are going to Heaven.
To go with your symboic faith.
ScottA
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What is important to understand...is it was never to be a ritualistic practice in the way that most do it.
On the contrary, as it is written "as long as we do it"--as long as we eat and drink--we are to also proclaimed His coming. If we are His witnesses.
You're conflating two separate things, which have no bearing on each other. I get it; Catholics believe in transubstantiation, but such a strict literal interpretation would make it akin to cannibalism. We take it in "remembrance" of him, which implies a symbolic act. You can believe otherwise, but priests can't magically turn wine into blood or bread into flesh.
Transubstantiation vs consubstantiation
cannibalism? I am pretty sure that is how His Apostles and disciples took it. But Christ stood firm. And many of His disciples stopped following Him. Christ did not even hint of Symbolism. So He said what He said believe it or not.
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I suppose it would depend on where one believes the line is that divides milk from meat.
Eternally Grateful
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I think you will find that no church actually does it the way they did in the book of acts.
It was a meal that the group had together. where they broke bread and had wine.
of course I do not think it really matters.. It is done to remember our passover.. Bring us back to our first love..
It was a meal that the group had together. where they broke bread and had wine.
of course I do not think it really matters.. It is done to remember our passover.. Bring us back to our first love..
No "cannibalism" is your way of ignoring Jesus words. Its an intellectually and theologically lazy way of doing it though. Jesus was very clear and everyone understood him to be speaking literally in Johns gospel.
Beautiful and at the passover they actually ate the flesh of the unblemished lamb. If they hadnt ....
Eternally Grateful
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That too was symbolic. Communion alludes to the passover. Both point to Christ.
If your using a strict interpretation of communion, than that is the logical conclusion.
No it is not symbolic. God instructed the Israelites to eat the flesh of the sacrificed unblemished lamb. Jesus the sacrificed unblemished lamb says "eat my flesh drink my blood."!
I don't know how else "eat my flesh and drink my blood" could be interpreted. He repeats it there times and calls it REAL food and REAL drink. Am I REALLY suppose to think he meant something else? If someone says, " the pencil is yellow" wouldn't it be logical to think, the pencil is yellow? Even if the same person mentions green pencils?
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Eternally Grateful
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