Breaking Free From Fake Religion

[nedsk]

James is teaching that if you have real faith that Justifies you before God, you'll produce the works.

He is not teaching that God accepts your works, as your works are not accepted by God.
God only accepts our Faith to accept us.

It doesn't say "real" faith. You're adding your own words.

 

[marks]

I ask you if a person who believes for a time, and then goes off to bear bad fruits as in living in sinful desires such as Paul listed in Eph 5 until the day he dies- is he still saved?

You are asking, in my opinion, a poorly worded question. You know the passage in James, "the demons believe, and shudder . . ."

Mostly I write for the reader, but also for you.

Someone who "believes for a time", anyone can believe for a time, and then no longer, and never have been regenerated throughout the entire time. So as a "gotcha question" intended to show the saved may be unsaved, it's like any hypothetical, you can turn it any direction you want. In saying, "believes for a time" you've not defined the person of whom you speak.

Scripture teaches that the regenerate do not return to an unregenerate state. God teaches us that "if they were of us, they would no doubt have remained with us". In saying, they went out that it may be revealed that they were not of us", God is telling us that the false are not necessarily identified until they leave. You see people who look like Christians, and then they don't. The answer is that they never were Christians truly, not that they stopped being Christians.

1 John 2:18-19 KJV
18) Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
19) They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

Is it that you actually mean "The regenerate, who lives in sin the rest of their life, are they still saved?" Firstly, identify who is this regenerate who is living in sinful desires the rest of his life. As far as I can see that is an hypothetical person, not a real person.

Who is the regenerate whom God allows to live a completely unregenerate fashion?? God's word tells us a very different picture, including God's solemn promise to chasten us effectively. God's word tells us the regenerate are all there at the finish line. So it doesn't leave place for some to unregenerate. And it teaches plainly that those who appear to be part of the body of Christ, and then go out from the body never were in the body of Christ.

These are all plainly stated Scriptures.

Yes, there are a number of places where the Bible tells us that such and such people will not inherit the kingdom. Is it your assertion that these are in conflict with the places that state unambiguously that the born again are all with Jesus at the end? Obviously, they won't contradict other Scriptures.

Here's a key question. Are there any passages that make an unambiguous statement that the born again will die again? That the regenerate who lives this way will be cast away from their regeneration? That they will die again?

And consider what that would mean. God, having crucified your body of flesh, putting it to death, to be made alive by the Spirit, and having given you resurrection in your spirit, that God will now crucify your spirit, and resurrect your flesh, to return you to a pre-regenerate state? There is not a word concerning our regeneration to this effect in Scripture.

To address "living in sinful desires the rest of their life", I think that's a lot easier to do than you may suspect. Small things that aren't on your radar are still sinful when they are not of faith. The thing that crosses your mind that you should do for someone, dismissed because you "don't have time", is sin when left undone. Any continuing pattern of behaviors that are not of faith being expressed by our love for others is "living in sinful desires". Many minimize sin. I personally do not.

While many point to the verses that tell us homosexuality is an abomination, others tell us that a haughty look, or lying, are likewise abominations. A haughty look! What about the thought in the mind behind that look? It's what's inside that defiles. A haughty mind, having a haughty thought. How easy is that to do? Though in walking in the Spirit we do not.

While we may think of sins as "minor sins", "I'm not perfect yet", all sin will separate us from God eternally unless it is completely removed with finality. Otherwise the best we can hope for is, I'm saved now, being all confessed up, but I may not be saved in the next hour, having thought evil of my colleague.

For me, this single truth is what opens the door for me to receive all things from God that He intends for me, to walk in the faith to do all things He desires of me, and to rejoice continually throughout. I know my life with Jesus, my communion with the Father, will never end. So there is no backward glance, only evermore onward, upward, into His high calling.

Much love!

 

[nedsk]

You are asking, in my opinion, a poorly worded question. You know the passage in James, "the demons believe, and shudder . . ."

Mostly I write for the reader, but also for you.

Someone who "believes for a time", anyone can believe for a time, and then no longer, and never have been regenerated throughout the entire time. So as a "gotcha question" intended to show the saved may be unsaved, it's like any hypothetical, you can turn it any direction you want. In saying, "believes for a time" you've not defined the person of whom you speak.

Scripture teaches that the regenerate do not return to an unregenerate state. God teaches us that "if they were of us, they would no doubt have remained with us". In saying, they went out that it may be revealed that they were not of us", God is telling us that the false are not necessarily identified until they leave. You see people who look like Christians, and then they don't. The answer is that they never were Christians truly, not that they stopped being Christians.

1 John 2:18-19 KJV
18) Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
19) They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

Is it that you actually mean "The regenerate, who lives in sin the rest of their life, are they still saved?" Firstly, identify who is this regenerate who is living in sinful desires the rest of his life. As far as I can see that is an hypothetical person, not a real person.

Who is the regenerate whom God allows to live a completely unregenerate fashion?? God's word tells us a very different picture, including God's solemn promise to chasten us effectively. God's word tells us the regenerate are all there at the finish line. So it doesn't leave place for some to unregenerate. And it teaches plainly that those who appear to be part of the body of Christ, and then go out from the body never were in the body of Christ.

These are all plainly stated Scriptures.

Yes, there are a number of places where the Bible tells us that such and such people will not inherit the kingdom. Is it your assertion that these are in conflict with the places that state unambiguously that the born again are all with Jesus at the end? Obviously, they won't contradict other Scriptures.

Here's a key question. Are there any passages that make an unambiguous statement that the born again will die again? That the regenerate who lives this way will be cast away from their regeneration? That they will die again?

And consider what that would mean. God, having crucified your body of flesh, putting it to death, to be made alive by the Spirit, and having given you resurrection in your spirit, that God will now crucify your spirit, and resurrect your flesh, to return you to a pre-regenerate state? There is not a word concerning our regeneration to this effect in Scripture.

To address "living in sinful desires the rest of their life", I think that's a lot easier to do than you may suspect. Small things that aren't on your radar are still sinful when they are not of faith. The thing that crosses your mind that you should do for someone, dismissed because you "don't have time", is sin when left undone. Any continuing pattern of behaviors that are not of faith being expressed by our love for others is "living in sinful desires". Many minimize sin. I personally do not.

While many point to the verses that tell us homosexuality is an abomination, others tell us that a haughty look, or lying, are likewise abominations. A haughty look! What about the thought in the mind behind that look? It's what's inside that defiles. A haughty mind, having a haughty thought. How easy is that to do? Though in walking in the Spirit we do not.

While we may think of sins as "minor sins", "I'm not perfect yet", all sin will separate us from God eternally unless it is completely removed with finality. Otherwise the best we can hope for is, I'm saved now, being all confessed up, but I may not be saved in the next hour, having thought evil of my colleague.

For me, this single truth is what opens the door for me to receive all things from God that He intends for me, to walk in the faith to do all things He desires of me, and to rejoice continually throughout. I know my life with Jesus, my communion with the Father, will never end. So there is no backward glance, only evermore onward, upward, into His high calling.

Much love!

Respectfully I believe you are incorrect. The prodigal son was with the father. He left but returned. its seems simple.

 

[marks]

Respectfully I believe you are incorrect. The prodigal son was with the father. He left but returned. its seems simple.

Should you choose to use this parable that Jesus give to His Israelite audience pre-cross/pre-resurrection to show soteriology within the body of Christ, which personally I think is a misapplication, consider what you are saying.

Hebrews teaches us that God chastens all His children, and that His chastening is effective. In this parable, the wayward son finds himself in very contrary circumstances, and returns to his father, illustrating the teaching in Hebrews. Where is there a lost salvation?

Regarding the parable,

Luke 15:1-3 KJV
1) Then drew near unto him all the publicans and sinners for to hear him.
2) And the Pharisees and scribes murmured, saying, This man receiveth sinners, and eateth with them.
3) And he spake this parable unto them, saying,

Luke 15:11-32 KJV
11) And he said, A certain man had two sons:
12) And the younger of them said to his father, Father, give me the portion of goods that falleth to me. And he divided unto them his living.
13) And not many days after the younger son gathered all together, and took his journey into a far country, and there wasted his substance with riotous living.
( . . . )
27) And he said unto him, Thy brother is come; and thy father hath killed the fatted calf, because he hath received him safe and sound.
28) And he was angry, and would not go in: therefore came his father out, and intreated him.
29) And he answering said to his father, Lo, these many years do I serve thee, neither transgressed I at any time thy commandment: and yet thou never gavest me a kid, that I might make merry with my friends:
30) But as soon as this thy son was come, which hath devoured thy living with harlots, thou hast killed for him the fatted calf.
31) And he said unto him, Son, thou art ever with me, and all that I have is thine.
32) It was meet that we should make merry, and be glad: for this thy brother was dead, and is alive again; and was lost, and is found.

Some people look to the wording, "for this thy brother was dead, and is alive again", as though it teaches soteriology, however, it that were actually true, it would contradict those many passages that directly address this question as I've shown previously, that the born again do not die again. The regenerate do not unregenerate.

We're given the context within which to understand the parable. Pharisees and scribes where complaining about sinners coming in. Jesus was showing what that envy appeared like in a different context.

Consider also, if you are of a mind to take every detail as stating spiritual truth, the other son never left. Is it your assertion that some of men never fell in sin? I wouldn't think so. But that would be the implication of your interpretation of this parable.

Much love!

 

[PS95]

I.am not speaking for that poster but my experience tells me the response will be something like, they were never really saved in the first place.

No, he doesn't say that, and that is my problem with him. He says they are saved no matter their ungodly behavior even unto death.
that's why today I call out the contradiction..

 

[PS95]

You are asking, in my opinion, a poorly worded question. You know the passage in James, "the demons believe, and shudder . . ."

Mostly I write for the reader, but also for you.

Someone who "believes for a time", anyone can believe for a time, and then no longer, and never have been regenerated throughout the entire time. So as a "gotcha question" intended to show the saved may be unsaved, it's like any hypothetical, you can turn it any direction you want. In saying, "believes for a time" you've not defined the person of whom you speak.

Scripture teaches that the regenerate do not return to an unregenerate state. God teaches us that "if they were of us, they would no doubt have remained with us". In saying, they went out that it may be revealed that they were not of us", God is telling us that the false are not necessarily identified until they leave. You see people who look like Christians, and then they don't. The answer is that they never were Christians truly, not that they stopped being Christians.

1 John 2:18-19 KJV
18) Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
19) They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

Is it that you actually mean "The regenerate, who lives in sin the rest of their life, are they still saved?" Firstly, identify who is this regenerate who is living in sinful desires the rest of his life. As far as I can see that is an hypothetical person, not a real person.

Who is the regenerate whom God allows to live a completely unregenerate fashion?? God's word tells us a very different picture, including God's solemn promise to chasten us effectively. God's word tells us the regenerate are all there at the finish line. So it doesn't leave place for some to unregenerate. And it teaches plainly that those who appear to be part of the body of Christ, and then go out from the body never were in the body of Christ.

These are all plainly stated Scriptures.

Yes, there are a number of places where the Bible tells us that such and such people will not inherit the kingdom. Is it your assertion that these are in conflict with the places that state unambiguously that the born again are all with Jesus at the end? Obviously, they won't contradict other Scriptures.

Here's a key question. Are there any passages that make an unambiguous statement that the born again will die again? That the regenerate who lives this way will be cast away from their regeneration? That they will die again?

And consider what that would mean. God, having crucified your body of flesh, putting it to death, to be made alive by the Spirit, and having given you resurrection in your spirit, that God will now crucify your spirit, and resurrect your flesh, to return you to a pre-regenerate state? There is not a word concerning our regeneration to this effect in Scripture.

To address "living in sinful desires the rest of their life", I think that's a lot easier to do than you may suspect. Small things that aren't on your radar are still sinful when they are not of faith. The thing that crosses your mind that you should do for someone, dismissed because you "don't have time", is sin when left undone. Any continuing pattern of behaviors that are not of faith being expressed by our love for others is "living in sinful desires". Many minimize sin. I personally do not.

While many point to the verses that tell us homosexuality is an abomination, others tell us that a haughty look, or lying, are likewise abominations. A haughty look! What about the thought in the mind behind that look? It's what's inside that defiles. A haughty mind, having a haughty thought. How easy is that to do? Though in walking in the Spirit we do not.

While we may think of sins as "minor sins", "I'm not perfect yet", all sin will separate us from God eternally unless it is completely removed with finality. Otherwise the best we can hope for is, I'm saved now, being all confessed up, but I may not be saved in the next hour, having thought evil of my colleague.

For me, this single truth is what opens the door for me to receive all things from God that He intends for me, to walk in the faith to do all things He desires of me, and to rejoice continually throughout. I know my life with Jesus, my communion with the Father, will never end. So there is no backward glance, only evermore onward, upward, into His high calling.

Much love!

I'm sorry marks.. I'm not going to read that I replied to Behold.
Your free will thread aimed at me just shows your contradiction also. If you only would pay attention to what people write to you. In the repentance thread time and time again, I tried to make you see my problem with what Behold teaches. AGAIN-----
HE teaches that a person who says they are saved, but then lives a life of complete sin until death is still saved..
He has stuck to his guns on that numerous times to me.
I asked YOU about it- on the repentance thread over and over- IT is what I termed osas 2.0
and you called MY FAITH into question.
BUT LOOOK at your free will thread- now suddenly you don't believe that-- now you believe he was never saved! Isn't that what I was trying to hard so get you to see?!! Maybe re- read that thread because you sure got on my nerves.
I'm not so sure if you are sure of what you believe after all of that. But you sure like to go after other believers and tell them they fell from grace if they disagree with you. You attack people if they confess their sins to the Lord and attack them if they use the word repentence. Paul isn the only one who taught the gospel- this Paul only stuff with Behold and idk about you- is all ridiculous.
Yeah so there's that.
I'm not going to spend time on this. It is what it is.

 

[pandaflower]

Never follow the unholy adulterous harlot . For her chambers are the way unto death .

There are quite a few here who are the bastard offspring of that harlot. Unless God intercedes,they shall indeed die condemned.

 

[marks]

I'm sorry marks.. I'm not going to read that I replied to Behold.

I'm not sure what you mean here.

Your free will thread aimed at me just shows your contradiction also. If you only would pay attention to what people write to you. In the repentance thread time and time again, I tried to make you see my problem with what Behold teaches. AGAIN-----
HE teaches that a person who says they are saved, but then lives a life of complete sin until death is still saved..
He has stuck to his guns on that numerous times to me.

I think both of you are wording your posts poorly, but that's just me. I've addressed you in a convo between you and I. I'm not trying to answer for someone else.

I asked YOU about it- on the repentance thread over and over- IT is what I termed osas 2.0

You never did tell me what you meant by OSAS 2.0, but I'm pretty sure you were ascribing to me statements made by another. Again, my intent was a convo between you and I.

Regeneration is forever. But the person you imagine who is regenerate yet unchanged isn't real. You deny the power of God in the person's life, the God Who has promised to spend our whole life making us better.

He who began a good work in you will complete it until the day of Christ Jesus. Shall we look at someone and judge their heart because of what we see in their appearance, that they are still a work in process?

And shall we make our judgments in contradiction to the Bible's teaching on the very topic? I say no. I say, know what the Bible say, warn others as appropriate, and examine one's self. That's what's important, I'd say.

and you called MY FAITH into question.

No, I didn't call your faith into question, but I did challenge you to accept - believe - the simple sayings of some Scriptures I was posting. If I came across differently, I am sorry!

BUT LOOOK at your free will thread- now suddenly you don't believe that-- now you believe he was never saved!

Of course! the person who appears saved now, but later shows no change, shows that they have left whatever faith they claimed, that they were never saved. This is one of those plain teachings. I've not said otherwise. I do think you are mixing me with someone else.

Isn't that what I was trying to hard so get you to see?!! Maybe re- read that thread because you sure got on my nerves.

If I'm triggering you, that's a reason to step back, even put me on ignore if needed, if only for a time.

I'm not so sure if you are sure of what you believe after all of that. But you sure like to go after other believers and tell them they fell from grace if they disagree with you.

Your thinking is that I "like to accuse others" of being fallen from grace if I think they are disagreeing with me about something? Would you like to rethink that?

Regarding my view on this particular topic concerning someone whom appears saved, and later shows they are not, no, there is no unclarity to me. The Scriptures are exceedingly plain on this point, in several places.

Consider the case of Charles Templeton, an arena evangelist friend of Billy Graham's. Preaching to 10's of thousands, and thousands being saved. Was there anyone who would say he wasn't a Christian? When he and Billy entered seminary together, Charles left, because he was confronted with the fact that he didn't actually believe all these things. So he didn't continue.

He was a great orator, he knew the Gospel message, and preached to many, though, by he own testimony later in his life, he never had actually been a Christian.

Yeah so there's that.
I'm not going to spend time on this. It is what it is.

As you wish. You wrote to me, I've written back to you. If you write to me, I may again reply. It's all whatever you want.

Much love!

 

[PS95]

I'm not sure what you mean here.


I think both of you are wording your posts poorly, but that's just me. I've addressed you in a convo between you and I. I'm not trying to answer for someone else.

You never did tell me what you meant by OSAS 2.0, but I'm pretty sure you were ascribing to me statements made by another. Again, my intent was a convo between you and I.


No, I didn't call your faith into question, but I did challenge you to accept - believe - the simple sayings of some Scriptures I was posting.

Of course! the person who appears saved now, but later shows no change, shows that they have left whatever faith they claimed, that they were never saved. This is one of those plain teachings. I've not said otherwise. I do think you are mixing me with someone else.


If I'm triggering you, that's a reason to step back, even put me on ignore if needed, if only for a time.

Your thinking is that I "like to accuse others" of being fallen from grace if I think they are disagreeing with me about something? Would you like to rethink that?

Regarding my view on this particular topic concerning someone whom appears saved, and later shows they are not, no, there is no unclarity to me. The Scriptures are exceedingly plain on this point, in several places.

Consider the case of Charles Templeton, an arena evangelist friend of Billy Graham's. Preaching to 10's of thousands, and thousands being saved. Was there anyone who would say he wasn't a Christian? When he and Billy entered seminary together, Charles left, because he was confronted with the fact that he didn't actually believe all these things. So he didn't continue.

He was a great orator, he knew the Gospel message, and preached to many, though, by he own testimony later in his life, he never had actually been a Christian.


As you wish. You wrote to me, I've written back to you. If you write to me, I may again reply. It's all whatever you want.

Much love!

good grief marks- it's more than apparent that you do not read what people say. I could not have been more clear.
Just look at post 104- and you tell me if I was blurry or "word things poorly". you dont pay attention - all you do is accuse.

Survey - Is Repentance important to salvation?

and again-- you ignored this-- Not so. Read my posts. #91 Much love!

www.christianityboard.com

 

[marks]

good grief marks- it's more than apparent that you do not read what people say. I could not have been more clear.
Just look at post 104- and you tell me if I was blurry or "word things poorly". you dont pay attention - all you do is accuse.

Survey - Is Repentance important to salvation?

and again-- you ignored this-- Not so. Read my posts. #91 Much love!

www.christianityboard.com

All I can say is this has really gone off the rails.

Again-- I say if you said "he never was saved" I could agree..

The one who seems saved and later leaves . . . I've never said anything different than this. I've believed this for a long time.

The one whom others say, this is a born again who is now unborn again, I reply, they never were. "I never knew you" was Jesus' reply. They were not of us was how John wrote it. I've said these things many times. You keep coming back with things behold has said. I think this has become one tangled knot. I remember saying before I find this unheathly, I don't think it's improving.

I will give very careful consideration going forward whether to reply to more of your posts. This isn't good.

Much love!

 

[PS95]

All I can say is this has really gone off the rails.



The one who seems saved and later leaves . . . I've never said anything different than this. I've believed this for a long time.

The one whom others say, this is a born again who is now unborn again, I reply, they never were. "I never knew you" was Jesus' reply. They were not of us was how John wrote it. I've said these things many times. You keep coming back with things behold has said. I think this has become one tangled knot. I remember saying before I find this unheathly, I don't think it's improving.

I will give very careful consideration going forward whether to reply to more of your posts. This isn't good.

Much love!

It's really very simple, Marks. if you look at that repentance thread- you said you agreed with Behold- and now you don't?
Ok.
You never once accepted when I sad that a person who lives in sins until death was never said- instead all you did was accuse me. I was more than clear..
and what do you do now? Offer an apology or clarification that isn't contradictory? No. You threaten to ignore me. amazing.

 

[marks]

It's really very simple, Marks. if you look at that repentance thread- you said you agreed with Behold- and now you don't?
Ok.
You never once accepted when I sad that a person who lives in sins until death was never said- instead all you did was accuse me. I was more than clear..
and what do you do now? Offer an apology or clarification that isn't contradictory? No. You threaten to ignore me. amazing.

What I said was I would carefully consider whether to continue to reply to you. Anyway, these posts continue to show me we are not really communicating and it's getting worse. I hope that can change.

I don't really know what I could say to you to be more clear than I've been about what I believe. Your question contains an unscriptural presupposition, "still saved". There is no, not still saved to the regenerate. Rebirth is forever. The one who "goes out" was never truly in. It's a false concept this idea of the one who just freely lives in sin unrepentant until they die that this person was born again, yet somehow, mysteriously remained unchanged, even though God has promised to work His work in us.

Such a one doesn't exist, and as long as you pursue such a question, it will only end up here, he never was saved. I truly do not understand how you could have any confusion over my position on this. I must have written this to you a dozen times or more! Maybe it's your focus on Behold, and maybe it's your determination to push through your "gotcha" question, I don't know. Only that as I dialog with you, you seem a sort that we should not have this problem. That's why I keep replying, I keep believing we can do better.

Much love!

 

[bdavidc]

Hilarious. No where does scripture say faith alone saves. Faith is completed by works. Faith does not cause works. Do you understand what the word sufficient means?

The Bible says it straight: salvation is “by grace… through faith, not of works” (Ephesians 2:8–9). “Justified by faith without the deeds of the law” (Romans 3:28). “To him that worketh not, but believeth… his faith is counted for righteousness” (Romans 4:5). That’s faith alone. James only shows that real faith produces fruit. Jesus said, “It is finished” (John 19:30). If you think your works add to that, you’ve missed the gospel completely. You need to repent.

 

[bdavidc]

Just show where Jesus says all that's needed for salvation is faith. Scripture says faith is completed by works. Why do you reject God's word? You people REALLY hate being questioned dont you?

This is why you don't understand, even when the truth is plain and simple:

• 2 Corinthians 4:3–4 – “But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.”
• 1 Corinthians 2:14 – “But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.”
• Ephesians 4:17–18 – “This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity of their mind, Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart.”
• John 12:40 – “He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.”
• Romans 11:8 – “According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear; unto this day.”

 

[amigo de christo]

Yes faith that is completed by works just like Janes says. I will ask you AGAIN to show me where Scripture says we are saved by faith alone. I have shown you where it says not faith alone but you refuse to do the same for your point of view. You can repeat 100 times we are saved by faith. We agree but it doesn't say faith alone. Deceiving people is not from God. Stop it

The RCC is deadly my friend . deadly and so long as one sits under her
which pretty much means even a lot of the protestant realms sold out leaders , THEY in total all out grave danger .
The time to come out is RIGHT NOW . let none look back and let us return to the bible to learn for ourselves .

 

[bdavidc]

Yes faith that is completed by works just like Janes says. I will ask you AGAIN to show me where Scripture says we are saved by faith alone. I have shown you where it says not faith alone but you refuse to do the same for your point of view. You can repeat 100 times we are saved by faith. We agree but it doesn't say faith alone. Deceiving people is not from God. Stop it

• 2 Corinthians 4:3–4 – “But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.”
• 1 Corinthians 2:14 – “But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.”
• Ephesians 4:17–18 – “This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity of their mind, Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart.”
• John 12:40 – “He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.”
• Romans 11:8 – “According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear; unto this day.”

 

[bdavidc]

The RCC is deadly my friend . deadly and so long as one sits under her
which pretty much means even a lot of the protestant realms sold out leaders , THEY in total all out grave danger .
The time to come out is RIGHT NOW . let none look back and let us return to the bible to learn for ourselves .

No wonder they can't see; they have placed their trust in man rather than in God. I understand now. I did not know they were RCC. Blinded by the prince of darkness. May God, please open their eyes to the truth before it is too late.

 

[amigo de christo]

No wonder they can't see; they have placed their trust in man rather than in God. I understand now. I did not know they were RCC. Blinded by the prince of darkness. May God, please open their eyes to the truth before it is too late.

What many in the protestant realm do not realize is
IF they are in any way particpating with this ecumincal cry for unity , this interfaith co exist
THEY ARE ALREADY UNDER HER INFLUENCE . she got many co workers my friend . they catholic and dont even realize it .
La madre de mintidas y muerte , la reina de los diablos
HAS LONG been at work my friend . The mother of lies and death , the queen of devils .
That whore is hungry and desires all power and control now . And her amore is but death . Her love is false
and her ecumincal cry a LIE .

 

[amigo de christo]

Buyer beware that this will end you in the second death . So buy it not .
Read the pure and true HOLY bible for yourselves to learn and to grow .

 

[amigo de christo]

TO the trenches to all who name the name of CHRIST , its all out war for the souls of men .
Many false teachers have arisen and compromised and even taken over much of christendom .