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"by their fruit"

Discussion in 'Christian Theology Forum' started by Rach1370, Sep 19, 2011.

  1. THE Gypsy

    THE Gypsy New Member

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    OH! Sorry, I didn't get it from the OP. I thought you might be talking about someone specific. In that case....Carry on.[​IMG]





    Seriously, though...Yes I DO know exactly what you are talking about and IMO...It is disgusting behavior.
     
  2. aspen

    aspen “"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few

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    Spreading information about others like the gas you like to pass with your comfortable friends is childish, Robbie.

    It is not cool in Christian circles or secular circles, out side of your friends.

    Just realize that a tread a bit lighter - it really is not that big of a change to make in your behavior, but it makes a big difference to everyone else.

    Thanks
     
  3. HammerStone

    HammerStone Well-Known Member Staff Member

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    Robbie, I tell you this in love but I think you still have a lesson to learn - it's not as easy as simply pointing out another's sin issue and it suddenly being fine. Yes the blood of Jesus covers, but that blood doesn't cover someone else's sins because you confess them; that's between that person and God. It's one thing for someone to get their sin out in the open with confession and begin the healing process with another Christian, but this is entirely differently. You've just published a deep-seated struggle to a group of essentially unknown people against the will of the actual soul that's struggling. Unfortunately, Aspen's life has now been placed into the spotlight against his own will. That's simply not your call to make.

    I'm not sure you see it, but you're taking up a position not altogether different from that which you condemn. We already have an accuser and if you're not careful about it, such talk can play right into his hands. If it were as easy as simply confessing sin to a forum I think more people would be involved in bottling it or putting it into a book to sell.

    Revelation 12:9-10 HCSB
    So the great dragon was thrown out-the ancient serpent, who is called the Devil and Satan, the one who deceives the whole world. He was thrown to earth, and his angels with him. Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say:

    The salvation and the power
    and the kingdom of our God
    and the authority of His Messiah
    have now come,
    because the accuser of our brothers
    has been thrown out:
    the one who accuses them
    before our God day and night.

    Please trust me from experience and search the Bible about it; there is a fine line between helping someone confess and accusing them.
     
  4. FHII

    FHII Well-Known Member

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    What should we do? We should ignore the sins of the flesh of others, and look at their spiritual side. Problem is, with so many fleshly problems, chances are they aren't very spiritual either.
     
  5. Robbie

    Robbie New Member

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    Can you seriously not see that I'm not accusing you aspen?

    That I was just pointing out to you that you weren't perfect just like me and that it is by grace alone you could be saved?

    That you weren't living up to what you were preaching?

    I mean can you re-read what I wrote to you and seriously tell me it's about me accusing you?

    Or me condemning you?

    This is seriously making feel like christianity is the same no matter where I go...

    It makes me feel like I'm a lil kid and I'm being told, "Now don't tell people what I did to you or they're going to be angry at you"

    Over it all... it's all so creepy to me... like we achieve righteousness by being fake... yuck...
     
  6. Rach1370

    Rach1370 New Member

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    I'm not sure I understand what you're asking/saying here....started to reply and it suddenly occurred to me I may be taking the wrong tack!!
     
  7. Duckybill

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    1 Peter 2:21-22 (NKJV)
    21 For to this you were called, because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that you should follow His steps: 22 "Who committed no sin, Nor was deceit found in His mouth";
     
  8. THE Gypsy

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    If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion [is] vain. James 1:26


    Behold also the ships, which though [they be] so great, and [are] driven of fierce winds, yet are they turned about with a very small helm, whithersoever the governor listeth. Even so the tongue is a little member, and boasteth great things. Behold, how great a matter a little fire kindleth! And the tongue [is] a fire, a world of iniquity: so is the tongue among our members, that it defileth the whole body, and setteth on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire of hell. James 3: 4-6


    Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be. James 3:10


    There is a BIG difference between loving, private exhortation and gossip.
     
  9. Duckybill

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    Amen! On Judgment Day there will be MANY who will wish they never had a tongue or a keyboard.

    Matthew 12:34-37 (NKJV)
    34 Brood of vipers! How can you, being evil, speak good things? For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. 35 A good man out of the good treasure of his heart brings forth good things, and an evil man out of the evil treasure brings forth evil things. 36 But I say to you that for every idle word men may speak, they will give account of it in the day of judgment. 37 For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned."
     
  10. Robbie

    Robbie New Member

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    Deceit would be a lie... I wasn't lying...

    Let me put it this way... if I was out at a bar having a beer and a friend was there that didn't drink but smoked weed and my friend said to me, "You know the Lord isn't pleased with you drinking" I would look right at them in front of everyone and say, "What are you talking about dude... before you left your house you took like 4 bong rips"

    Here's the deal...

    Just let me know if the rules of christianity is that someone can play mr. righteous with you when you know they're not and you're not allowed to call them on it because it's not polite to do so in public so I can go ahead and wash my hands of it...

    I mean we know Paul called Peter out in public... was Paul also being a bad person?

    Oh my hypocrites... judging me for exactly what you all do... yeah.. you guys never talk about the sins of others on here... and you guys are always so nice to each other... what a fricken joke... everything you guys are accusing me of is exactly what you do... haha... christianity sucks = (

    I can't believe it's totally cool that someone got wasted and wrote weird stuff to me and it's not OK that I talked about it... let's see what else we can apply that principle to...

    It's totally cool that the priest molested the child but it's bad that the child talked about openly.

    It's totally cool that the husband beat the wife but it's bad that the wife talked openly about it.

    It's totally cool that the parent abused the child but it's bad the the child talked openly about it.

    It's totally cool that the pastor cheated on his wife but it's bad that the wife talked openly about it.

    Jesus... no wonder there's so much creepy stuff that goes on in religion... when that's the kind of principle religious people live by...
     
  11. Duckybill

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    1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (NKJV)
    9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.
     
  12. Robbie

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    Yep... and that means any unrighteousness will stop us from entering in which means without Christ nobody will... thank God Jesus Christ came and paid for our sins or we'd all have no hope... that is unless we actually believe we have no unrighteousness... haha...
     
  13. Robbie

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    This is the message which we have heard from Him and declare to you, that God is light and in Him is no darkness at all. If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth. But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin.
    [sup]8[/sup] If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. [sup]9[/sup] If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. [sup]10[/sup] If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.
     
  14. Duckybill

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    What you refuse to grasp is the HUGE difference between committing a sin and living in sin. 'Christians' living in sin are tares and headed for the eternal fire.

    Matthew 13:40-42 (NKJV)
    40 Therefore as the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of this age. 41 The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness, 42 and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

    Only those who forsake their sins will have mercy. Those living in sin will spend eternity in Hell regardless of what you say.
     
  15. Comm.Arnold

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    Well if the sin is controlling you that much that it takes over every part of your life, for a random example it becomes a massive problem on a christian internet forum. Ridicule is possibly a punishment that one may recieve, I believe God has adressed this issue in Deuteronomy 28:37 "You will become a thing of horror and an object of scorn and ridicule to all the nations where the LORD will drive you" . That is my understanding on the subject.
     
  16. veteran

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    We're actually supposed to help each other against sin, for those in Christ's Church, but not with ridicule; but not being afraid to point out sin either.

    If a brother or sister loves The Lord, they will be willing to listen to Christian rebuke from other brethren, just as a family member would, or should, from another family member.

    The New Testament principle of rebuke to another brother or sister is to go to the person and reveal their fault to them alone. And if they will not hear, then by two witnesses from The Church going to them, and if they will still not hear, then they are to be treated as one outside Christ's Church (Matt.18).
     
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