mailmandan
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Your point is that believers were cut off and lost their salvation which is not Paul's point. The Israelites were the natural branches and it was not because they were all saved. Paul says Gentiles (plural) and not Gentile (singular). Has God cast away His people? Certainly not! (vs. 1) I say then, have they stumbled that they should fall? Certainly not! But through their fall, to provoke them to jealousy, salvation has come to the Gentiles. (vs. 11) And they also, if they do not continue in unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.Here again, I think you missed a key point.
Rom 11:21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, neither will he spare you.
Rom 11:22 Note then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God's kindness to you, provided you continue in his kindness. Otherwise you too will be cut off
Otherwise you too will be cut off. Cut off from what? You were not ever a part of the natural branches. You, at most, could have been grafted in. The Gentile who is grafted in is among the saved. It is the once grafted in who will be cut off if they don't "continue in his kindness"
For if you were cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and were grafted contrary to nature into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these, who are natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree? For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. And so all Israel will be saved.. (vss. 23-26) You need to read this in context. When did and does all this take place?