Can anyone offer a viable alternative to this perspective?
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The question, that I have, is, "When was this plan to extract the oil from Syria first put in place?"
The second question is, "Once this plan was put in place, could successive US governments change the outcome?"
The second question is, "Once this plan was put in place, could successive US governments change the outcome?"
Love your avatar by the way.
Yes, its a sad indictment against a nation that purports to support freedom. And as a look around the world I see a history of this colonialist greedy avaricious resource theft. The Spanish and Portuguese in South and central America with gold. The British in South Africa with gold and diamonds. I mean, we could go anywhere and see the same thing being repeated all over the world. But as the article says, today it's more subtle. With the use of "diplomacy", intelligence organizations, and false flag operations the true motives are hidden behind a charade of well meaning publicity minded one liners like..."peacekeeping"..."Protecting our freedoms"..."establishing democracy"...
I wonder if the same thing is taking place now throughout the South Pacific including Australia and New Zealand with the Chinese.
Yes, interesting questions. Once your wells are drilled and business operating, how do you walk away without leaving behind a lot of collateral damage? Its like leaving Afghanistan. There are very real Afghani people on the ground there that have come to depend upon a military presence to protect them from the Taliban. You just cannot get up and walk away. Once something is well established, it gets complicated. Maybe intentionally so to make it all the more difficult to walk away. Its the age old method for selling. Create a need and then fill it. Create chaos, then provide a solution...the threat of ongoing chaos without the solution is a great motivator for the status quo.
But you did not provide any indicative answers to my questions. Without answering the questions I have posed, all you have done is put the problem onto the present administration as if they are the ones solely responsible for the unfolding situation now, whereas they may be wanting to provide a solution which may or may not be acceptable to all of the other players in the region.
G'day mate...Chinese doing a number on OZ....definitely.
Oh the avatar....played a bit of rugby at school in Levin..it's an official NZ Memorabilia ball..with the hat atop , I got when I went I revisited my youth and younger days down under several years ago..have official "all black" rugby undies...not in good taste for public consumption though....;)
Cheers and greetings again from a brother in Christ..APAK
Don't know of a public released extraction plan as of yet although Trump did say per an October 28, 2019 media article:...
“We’re keeping the oil,” Trump said Monday to a conference of police chiefs in Chicago. “I’ve always said that — keep the oil. We want to keep the oil, $45 million a month. Keep the oil. We’ve secured the oil.”
On Sunday, when detailing the U.S. special forces raid against ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, Trump said U.S. troops would remain in Syria to secure “massive” oil reserves and even put up “a hell of a fight” against any force that tried to take them.
“We should be able to take some also, and what I intend to do, perhaps, is make a deal with an ExxonMobil or one of our great companies to go in there and do it properly,” he added.
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I would wager though that an oil extraction/profit plan had been conceived away from public view, months or years before...
Not that I believe your second question sounds very innocent or naive....no offense intended here....If the industrial military complex is surely behind this plan, and it must be, it makes no difference what successive government 'gets in' to alter or stop this plan and its execution. It won't change a thing. They run governments and it hands-out politicians..they are in 'bed' with them....part of the 'swamp' as they say in the States...
This is the problem...the uncontrolled appetite of greed and selfishness for money and power had hit its Zenith in the States..time for a BIG FALL...it's coming, very soon...God help this country and others like it, those that are 'innocent' and caught and wedged in the middle...APAK
I've followed that situation for years, and I don't have a clear idea of what Trump's real goal is in Syria. What I've seen however is that Russia, Turkey and Iran are jostling for influence in Syria. The US has been steadily losing its influence.
I also don't want to make of the Russians getting aggressive US troops recently. The Russians, by some agreement, were not supposed to be in the same area as the American forces.
August 26, 2020 Multiple US troops injured in collision with a Russian military convoy in Syria - CNNPolitics
Multiple US troops were injured in a collision with a Russian military convoy in eastern Syria Tuesday, several US officials tell CNN.
The official said that the injuries occurred when one of the Russian vehicles apparently deliberately collided with the American vehicle causing the crew to suffer "concussion-like injuries." Initial reports indicate as many as four Americans may have been injured.
The officials said a Russian military helicopter flew low and fast over the area in a tactic that is often used by military forces to try to disperse personnel on the ground.
Despite US military leadership at the highest levels being aware of the incident within a short time of it occurring, the Pentagon has still not publicly acknowledged that Americans were hurt, the officials said.
The Pentagon and US-led military coalition fighting ISIS in Syria did not immediately respond to a request for comment about the incident.
The official said that the injuries occurred when one of the Russian vehicles apparently deliberately collided with the American vehicle causing the crew to suffer "concussion-like injuries." Initial reports indicate as many as four Americans may have been injured.
The officials said a Russian military helicopter flew low and fast over the area in a tactic that is often used by military forces to try to disperse personnel on the ground.
Despite US military leadership at the highest levels being aware of the incident within a short time of it occurring, the Pentagon has still not publicly acknowledged that Americans were hurt, the officials said.
The Pentagon and US-led military coalition fighting ISIS in Syria did not immediately respond to a request for comment about the incident.
Multiple US officials familiar with the matter told CNN that the White House was involved in discouraging the Pentagon from publicly confirming the incident in Syria.
One US official said there was a draft statement from the military about the altercation but that it wasn't ultimately signed off on by the White House. The official explained that the reasons for caution from the White House weren't clear, though said it was likely officials wanted time to discuss the situation with Russian counterparts.
The reluctance to issue a statement about the incident comes as the Trump administration has drawn scrutiny over what many have said is its hesitancy when it comes to condemning Moscow over issues such its interference in the 2016 election and reportedly paying incentives to Taliban-linked militants to target US troops in Afghanistan.
There is not much transparency about either the military or diplomatic efforts. Consider how Trump touted at the convention the treaty he got Israel and the UAE to sign. You'd think he'd solved major problems by listening to him. Yet Pompeo was out of the country when he recorded his speech, dashing around the Middle East trying to solve something.
Pompeo ends Mideast tour without a single state agreeing to normalisation with Israel
US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo headed home on Thursday, marking the end of a Middle East tour aimed at pressing other Arab countries to follow the UAE's recent move and normalise relations with Israel.
The tour was less than successful, however, as stops in Bahrain, Oman and Sudan failed to produce any public commitments to mend relations with Israel, following the United Arab Emirates' decision to do so earlier this month.
"Met today with Omani Sultan Haitham bin Tarik Al-Said on the importance of building regional peace, stability, and prosperity through a united Gulf Cooperation Council," Pompeo tweeted as he left Oman, the last stop on his itinerary.
"Grateful for our strong security partnership and economic ties."
While Bahrain and Sudan have stated implicitly that they do not plan on following the UAE's lead regarding Israel, Oman, one of the more neutral players in the Gulf, did not immediately comment on the subject after Pompeo's visit.
The tour was less than successful, however, as stops in Bahrain, Oman and Sudan failed to produce any public commitments to mend relations with Israel, following the United Arab Emirates' decision to do so earlier this month.
"Met today with Omani Sultan Haitham bin Tarik Al-Said on the importance of building regional peace, stability, and prosperity through a united Gulf Cooperation Council," Pompeo tweeted as he left Oman, the last stop on his itinerary.
"Grateful for our strong security partnership and economic ties."
While Bahrain and Sudan have stated implicitly that they do not plan on following the UAE's lead regarding Israel, Oman, one of the more neutral players in the Gulf, did not immediately comment on the subject after Pompeo's visit.
Perhaps Trump wants the US in Syria to deter Iran in some way? Iran already has a heavy influence in the areas controlled by Hezbollah.
Another factor that might be in play is the pipelines. I used to follow the plans for new ones and the squabbles involved, but I'm not up to speed on what's happening now. What does seem probable is that American forces are somewhere the Russians don't want them anymore.
I don't know how familiar you are with Adventist eschatology. We see America as being the fulfillment of Revelation 13's beast from the earth. For a number of reasons. One of those reasons is her speaking dragonese. She speaks it through oppressive legislation, beginning with slavery, which today continues on a slightly different form but slavery, theft of other nations resources, ( all the beasts of prophecy are predatory) nevertheless. Dragon language. Those two horns represent two different aspects of legislation... One secular one spiritual. The legislation through the spiritual is yet to come... Causing all to worship....
Spiritual legislation is then the other horn when Christ reappears? Each horn thus appears consecutively. This is an interesting account of Rev 13 of the earth Beast. The concept of speaking as a dragon if it fits this Beast is sound. I believe we have not seen this type of global impact causes from the spoken word by any nation or kingdom since the height of the Roman Empire. And even then its edicts, commands and announcements were contained to only parts of the known world. And it also took weeks for the 'word' of Roman to hit all regions.
Today, nations all acutely hear if not listen to the States, and its message travels virtually to all corners of the globe instantly. And as a dragon ii roars with passion and heat as symbolized as a dragon.
I guess I also need to add the impact of its (States) words and laws/legislation. As a dragon it also causes strife, wars, and oppression as you said.
We are now seeing the retreat of the dragon's action...?
If this is the case, we are now witnessing the retreat and departure of the dragon and its fiery image. We are in a transition stage in history where I see the other horn ready to arise to completely dominate it.
Neat stuff and most probably on target with your assessment in prophecy. Then let us all pray that this process hastens with the triumphant return of Christ...cannot wait...and I know you are at least as eager.....APAK
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Interesting comments. We have a slight differently nuanced understanding of the other horn. The beast itself is now alive and well and both horns present, just one not being utilised. When it does get utilised it will result in religion legislated by the state...a union of church and state... When this takes place an image of the first beast of Revelation 13 will have been formed. And when everyone obeys that legislation, it becomes a form of worship of that (image) beast as all voluntarily surrender themselves to it's authority.
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Let me regroup and read Rev 13 a bit...in so many loose words then....
So the States first arose in stature to promote the 1st Beast....mystery Babylon, and setup its base in the world of hidden power...then it seemingly 'died' maybe as a feint, and is so-called revived....is was actually planned that way...the world is mesmerized or duped....and things seem back to normal...then the States continues on with its purpose to force a false worship (high-tech driven) religion for the 1st Beast on the world....something like that...
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Remember, we're talking about Nations. Beasts are Nations, empires, kingly realms. Most of them have crowns on their horns of power. (Not the land beast note). It was the first beast, the composite beast, or sea beast, that temporarily died. Note that the four beasts of Daniel 7 also rose from the sea, and this sea beast is a composite of those four. A political kingly predatory power that looks like a leopard (Greece) but has notable characteristics of the other three. It died. Like the leopard/Greece/goat of Daniel 8, it's horn was broken.
At the time of it's breaking, another beast, the land beast, with horns but no crowns, arose. However, the first beast was healed. The horn grew back. So these two powers live concurrently with both growing more and more powerful, with the land beast giving great impetus to the stature of the sea beast by legislating in favor of it's religious principles.
Now although the sea beast is regaining it's ascendancy, it is doing so out of the limelight. Leopards do not exposed themselves before they are ready to strike and their prey am easy catch. They don't expend energy in long chases like cheetahs and other predators. They remain hidden and camouflaged. Which is why today no-one recognises her but believe her to be just another harmless piece of the religious landscape.
At the time of it's breaking, another beast, the land beast, with horns but no crowns, arose. However, the first beast was healed. The horn grew back. So these two powers live concurrently with both growing more and more powerful, with the land beast giving great impetus to the stature of the sea beast by legislating in favor of it's religious principles.
Now although the sea beast is regaining it's ascendancy, it is doing so out of the limelight. Leopards do not exposed themselves before they are ready to strike and their prey am easy catch. They don't expend energy in long chases like cheetahs and other predators. They remain hidden and camouflaged. Which is why today no-one recognises her but believe her to be just another harmless piece of the religious landscape.
The following is a copy paste of an article I stole from @bbyrd009 . Thanks Mark.
Let me tell you a story about racism. The first actual afro-latino valedictorian of Harvard Law School, Pedro Albizu Campos graduated in 1921. He graduated while simultaneously studying Literature, philosophy, Chemical Engineering, and Military Science. He was fluent in six modern and two classical languages: English, Spanish, French, German, Portuguese, Italian, Latin, and ancient Greek.
Pedro was denied the valedictorian distinction by a professor who delayed his final grade to keep him from having the highest grade point average in the 1921 class. They wanted to avoid the "embarrassment" of having a black Puerto Rican be the valedictorian of one of the most prestigious law schools in the country.
Pedro Albizu Campos turned down a Supreme Court clerkship, multiple prestigious firm offers, and plum government appointments to go back to Puerto Rico and practice poverty law. Instead of making himself wealthy, he worked for folks and often receive payment in the form of chickens from poor farmers. He then began to lead the nascent independence movement of Puerto Rico. For this, he was targeted by Hoover's FBI and eventually thrown in prison for leading the independence movement. At the time, it was illegal to fly the Puerto Rican flag.
Pedro Albizu Campos suffered for years in prison and was subject to horrific torture and human experiments. They experimented on him using radiation. This was at a time where the U.S. military deliberately exposed Puerto Rican men to mustard gas to see how it affected them. He later suffered a stroke after a decade in prison and was pardoned and released only to die months later in 1965.
This is only a very brief retelling of this story. Racism is baked into the DNA of the United States government and how it's treated Puerto Rican people. Having a law degrees from an Ivy League school doesn't protect you when you go against the system. I recommend you read the book The War Against All Puerto Ricans to get a better picture of his life.
Let me tell you a story about racism. The first actual afro-latino valedictorian of Harvard Law School, Pedro Albizu Campos graduated in 1921. He graduated while simultaneously studying Literature, philosophy, Chemical Engineering, and Military Science. He was fluent in six modern and two classical languages: English, Spanish, French, German, Portuguese, Italian, Latin, and ancient Greek.
Pedro was denied the valedictorian distinction by a professor who delayed his final grade to keep him from having the highest grade point average in the 1921 class. They wanted to avoid the "embarrassment" of having a black Puerto Rican be the valedictorian of one of the most prestigious law schools in the country.
Pedro Albizu Campos turned down a Supreme Court clerkship, multiple prestigious firm offers, and plum government appointments to go back to Puerto Rico and practice poverty law. Instead of making himself wealthy, he worked for folks and often receive payment in the form of chickens from poor farmers. He then began to lead the nascent independence movement of Puerto Rico. For this, he was targeted by Hoover's FBI and eventually thrown in prison for leading the independence movement. At the time, it was illegal to fly the Puerto Rican flag.
Pedro Albizu Campos suffered for years in prison and was subject to horrific torture and human experiments. They experimented on him using radiation. This was at a time where the U.S. military deliberately exposed Puerto Rican men to mustard gas to see how it affected them. He later suffered a stroke after a decade in prison and was pardoned and released only to die months later in 1965.
This is only a very brief retelling of this story. Racism is baked into the DNA of the United States government and how it's treated Puerto Rican people. Having a law degrees from an Ivy League school doesn't protect you when you go against the system. I recommend you read the book The War Against All Puerto Ricans to get a better picture of his life.
So are you saying the land sourced Beast in not a typical nation/kingdom etc? I also understand this beast lacks a crown(s). Yes I also understand the 1st Beast resurrects and regrows in power again over time. The 1st Beast must be religious/political in nature and still as a composite of the previous 4 historical beast symbols -covering their spheres of influence at least. And yes the two Beasts exist concurrently. The 2nd Beast supports and promotes the 1st Beast.
So where does the 'Beast' if it can be called a Beast of the NWO, fit into this painted picture?
Great Day
APAK
Good questions cuz. First, the land beast is a nation. And it is of such influence that it is A. global and tyrannical (caused all the earth and them that dwell therein)
B. A democracy of sorts (asked them to build an image)
It's a nation that had horns in appearance of a lamb. Harmless... Non combative... Representing the type of character it purports to be...a civil power without a king and a religious per without a pope. The United States. THAT'S THE SECOND BEAST.
The first beast is the papacy whose leader was taken into captivity (Revelation 13:10) at the precise same time as the second beast was rising to power...1798.
As to the NWO. The global manifestation of the above two individual nation powers. The global union of church and state, the woman (church) riding the state beast which at this time is the closest manifestation of satanic power the world will see. A global tyranny with a religious head... Rome.... Backed by Washington and London.
Actually, I do not see London/Washington backing the Catholic Church today or even yesterday, let alone in the foreseeable future, do you? I see the RCC alone today, trying to maintain political recognition even more that their religious viability. The RCC and Pope are trying to stay in the inner political circle of the Globalists. I see the RCC becoming more isolated over time as am outdated outmoded institution unless they transform themselves into an all inclusive world religion accommodating all worldly religions - RCC, various Protestant groups, Muslims, Judaism, and all pagan beliefs and philosophies.
Anyway I cannot see that Rome is riding Washington or London today or in the future. unless they can use Rome for their purpose of global control somehow. They would control many loyal RCCs and a large portion of the globe this way..
APAK
Bro. I don't mean to be mean, but where you been. This Francis dude is totally down for bringing all religions together. There are two centers of focus on the world today where prophecy is being fulfilled. The USA and The Vatican. But like I said. That leopard beast hasn't come out of hiding yet. But his voice can be heard and for anyone listening...
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