Bob Estey
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I've read the Bible cover to cover three times - our sin can put us in the most awful situations. The Lord will discipline us if we don't learn from our mistakes.
Can people in Heaven know?
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I was a sinner for a long time and enjoyed it. Only until I had the spiritual awakening did I start to despise it. God changes things for the sinner. But evil loves evil. The bible talks about people that love evil.
Bob Estey
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It sounds like you've never suffered. You loved sin. You loved righteousness. I bet if you stop and think about it, sin led you down an unpleasant road.
The point is that sinning on this earth isn't hell. And if there is an unpleasant result that isn't hell either. Hell is an eternal punishment as a judgment from God.
There are some sins that bring punishment. For instance smoking or eating smoked meats can cause cancer. One is sinning the other perhaps not. Both punish the user. Drugs and alcohol abuse can damage the body. Sexual sin might not have any punishment. People might get in the way of someone sinning in a brutal way. But that's not sin punishing them, that's people not allowing them to be brutal and perhaps punishing them for it. Same for stealing.
There are career criminals that really enjoy sinning especially stealing from others. They truly enjoy it and blame the cops for getting in their way. But again the sin of stealing isn't punishing them, the cops do that and the courts.
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suffering now isnt eternal torment. You may very well suffer some now for doing something bad, but to say we could ever experience what hell will be like now is crazy. Clearly you dont understand how bad hell really is.
Yes the term angel applies to a lot of things, demons, spirits in the pre-existance, resurrected beings, etc.
Brakelite
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So we can cry without our bodies, think without our minds, grieve without our hearts, laugh and outside without our tongues? Scripture says different.
KJV Psalms 115:17
17 The dead praise not the LORD, neither any that go down into silence.
If we can do all those things in heaven, for what purpose the resurrection?
The bible says we become as angels in heaven. The word 'as' is often misinterpreted as you are doing here.
the devil and his angels will die.
Body’s die go to the grave in silence, knows nothing and rots.
The soul departs the body.
The soul continues to exist, until after judgement.
The soul without it’s body, can see, hear, taste, smell, touch.
Saved souls wait in heaven ... in comfort.
Unsaved souls wait in hell...in distress.
Bob Estey
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I believe the Lord's discipine IS hell. It's for our own good, but it's no fun.
Bob Estey
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Suffering here can be most unpleasant, and we suffer when we sin. So why sin?
So? I didn’t make a statement. I asked two simple questions.
Can you answer the questions?
Have you ever been touched by someones spirit. And how would you know if they can smell and taste. I don't think you got that correct either.
I have to agree with @Taken on this. Jesus addressed this when He told of Lazarus and the rich man who died. There, He speaks of communication happening between ones whose bodies had died.
Luke 16:19-31
[19]There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:
[20]And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,
[21]And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.
[22]And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
[23]And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
[24]And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
[25]But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
[26]And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.
[27]Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:
[28]For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.
[29]Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
[30]And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
[31]And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
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