Jun2u said:
As always Catholics will quote scriptures without really understanding what the scriptures really convey. When are you folks going to learn/admit that you belong to a false gospel church?
Matt. 16:18 - Jesus promises the gates of Hades would never prevail against the Church. This requires that the Church teach infallibly. If the Church did not have the gift of infallibility, the gates of Hades and error would prevail. Also, since the Catholic Church was the only Church that existed up until the Reformation, those who follow the Protestant reformers call Christ a liar by saying that Hades did prevail.
The Bible repeatedly says the Church is infallible and indefectable; what you are saying is anti-biblical. What year does your church teach that Jesus abandoned His Church?
Your church teaches that:
1. Peter is the Rock (Matt. 16:18) and have been refuted scriptually with Ps. 18:31 which reads: “ For who is God save the LORD? or who is a
rock save our God?
That refutes nothing, we know that God is the rock. What you don't know is that words in scripture can have more than one meaning.
2. Your church have elevated the status of Peter and Mary above other saved persons. Again refuted by scriptures, “God is not a respecter of persons,” (Ac. 10:34; Deut. 10:17; 2 Chro. 19:7), and as for Mary, one of your cohorts said it was Elizabeth (false) who cried out to Jesus (Lu. 11:27). What was Jesus’ reply? Verse 28, “But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.”
All true believers stand on the same ground with Peter and Mary.
Because Peter and Mary deserve special honor. Where in any of your verses does it say each individual believer will be given the keys of the kingdom? Where in any of your verses does it say each individual believer will give birth to the Messiah? We give special honor to Mary (similar to the honor you give to your mother) because God honored her first. It's in the Bible. Luke 1.
Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.”
All true believers stand on the same ground with Peter and Mary.
but only if they do the will of God, and keep it. This is Catholic teaching but your blind prejudice keeps you from seeing it. What you are forcing this to say is that Jesus is putting his mother down, thus violating the 4th commandment, which is absurd. Jesus is elevating those who do the will of God up to be of the same status as His mother and brothers, He is not lowering His mother and brothers in any way, because they do the will of God. If Mary did not do the will of God, would Jesus have been born? Mary is the perfect model of faith. That is what Jesus is getting at.
. The RCC is the pillar and ground (foundation) of truth. What an audacious remark! Jesus never ceased to be God. He said, “I am the way, the truth, and the life...” Joh. 14:6. Was Jesus lying?
1 Timothy 3:15(NKJV)
15 but if I am delayed, I write so that you may know how you ought to conduct yourself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.
You are blending 2 different truths. When you do that it makes a reply rather laborious. I normally ignore shotgun tactics that list multiple topics at once. That is a rant, not a discussion. There was only one church in existence when Paul wrote to Timothy, and there was only one church in existence until the so called reformation. Re-writing history is what you are forced to do. You cannot refute the historical church of the living God without doing so. It's very dishonest.
Your pitting John 14:6 against 1Timothy 3:15, when they have completely different meanings.
1 Co. 3:11 “For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.”
Again, you apply one meaning to one word. The Bible doesn't always do that.
1 Cor. 3:11 - Jesus is called the only
foundation of the Church, and yet in Eph. 2:20, the apostles are called the
foundation of the Church. Similarly, in 1 Peter 2:25, Jesus is called the
Shepherd of the flock, but in Acts 20:28, the apostles are called the
shepherds of the flock. These verses show that there are multiple metaphors for the Church, and that words used by the inspired writers of Scripture can have various meanings. Catholics agree that God is the rock of the Church, but this does not mean He cannot confer this distinction upon Peter as well, to facilitate the unity He desires for the Church.
There is no perfect church on earth. Each and every local denominations in the world consists of people both saved and unsaved alike. Have you not read the parable of the Wheat and Tares? If you have not, how can you understand all parables?
That's 3 topics. Try cutting down on your coffee. There is no perfect church, but we have guaranteed doctrinal purity, because of God's promises.
Water baptism is not required for salvation. Remember the thief on the cross.
Luke 23:43 - the good thief, although not baptized, shows that there is also a baptism by desire, as Jesus says to him that he will be in paradise. It should also be noted that when Jesus uses the word "paradise," He did not mean heaven. Paradise, from the Hebrew "sheol" meant the realm of the righteous dead. This was the place of the dead who were destined for heaven, but who were captive until the Lord's resurrection. Hence, the good thief was destined for heaven because of his desire to be with Jesus.
There is also baptism of blood, martyrs who never got the chance to be baptized.
Lastly, the Catholic Church you have so much hostility against does not exist. You see a caricature of the Church, not the Church itself.