--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Can we support a candidate who does not recognize all human beings as human beings?We have human rights because we have human life. In other words if we did not have life in the first place, our rights would not be an issue. Therefore, if anyone accepts or promotes laws that allow destruction of human life-especially lives of the most helpless and innocent unborn babies, any talk about any other issue related to helping human beings and protecting their rights and well being becomes a mute issue. Furthermore, abortion is the worst crime because a helpless unborn innocent human being is murdered by a physician who is supposed to a healer and the mother who is supposed to protect and nurture the baby. How can anyone support a candidate who supports and promotes such a terrible crime and is unwilling to call victims of such a crime human beings: after they survived botched abortions)? Would not supporting such a candidate be similar to supporting a Nazi candidate?
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--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Can we support a candidate who does not recognize all human beings as human beings?We have human rights because we have human life. In other words if we did not have life in the first place, our rights would not be an issue. Therefore, if anyone accepts or promotes laws that allow destruction of human life-especially lives of the most helpless and innocent unborn babies, any talk about any other issue related to helping human beings and protecting their rights and well being becomes a mute issue. Furthermore, abortion is the worst crime because a helpless unborn innocent human being is murdered by a physician who is supposed to a healer and the mother who is supposed to protect and nurture the baby. How can anyone support a candidate who supports and promotes such a terrible crime and is unwilling to call victims of such a crime human beings: after they survived botched abortions)? Would not supporting such a candidate be similar to supporting a Nazi candidate?
No it would not be the same as supporting a Nazi candidate. Obama wants to educate people on the wrongs of abortion. However, though we disagree, he wants to keep the option open to other people who are not Christian and want to do so.A Nazi would say kill these jews and if you dont go along with me I will kill you too.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Can we support a candidate who does not recognize all human beings as human beings?We have human rights because we have human life. In other words if we did not have life in the first place, our rights would not be an issue. Therefore, if anyone accepts or promotes laws that allow destruction of human life-especially lives of the most helpless and innocent unborn babies, any talk about any other issue related to helping human beings and protecting their rights and well being becomes a mute issue. Furthermore, abortion is the worst crime because a helpless unborn innocent human being is murdered by a physician who is supposed to a healer and the mother who is supposed to protect and nurture the baby. How can anyone support a candidate who supports and promotes such a terrible crime and is unwilling to call victims of such a crime human beings: after they survived botched abortions)? Would not supporting such a candidate be similar to supporting a Nazi candidate?
No it would not be the same as supporting a Nazi candidate. Obama wants to educate people on the wrongs of abortion. However, though we disagree, he wants to keep the option open to other people who are not Christian and want to do so.A Nazi would say kill these jews and if you dont go along with me I will kill you too.
(Byron-AW;62014)
A Nazi would say kill these jews and if you dont go along with me I will kill you too.
There you're right, Obama is a Nazi. Obama wants to kill (or jail) those who don't go along with him. For example, when you say you oppose discrimination, what you're really saying is that you want to send Christians to jail for not supporting others in the perversion of homosexuality.
Obama wants to educate people on the wrongs of abortion.
You better watch how far over the top you go, else you'll lose credibility, even among the slower folk.
A Nazi would say kill these jews and if you dont go along with me I will kill you too.
There you're right, Obama is a Nazi. Obama wants to kill (or jail) those who don't go along with him. For example, when you say you oppose discrimination, what you're really saying is that you want to send Christians to jail for not supporting others in the perversion of homosexuality.
Obama wants to educate people on the wrongs of abortion.
You better watch how far over the top you go, else you'll lose credibility, even among the slower folk.
(Follower;62015)
There you're right, Obama is a Nazi. Obama wants to kill (or jail) those who don't go along with him. For example, when you say you oppose discrimination, what you're really saying is that you want to send Christians to jail for not supporting others in the perversion of homosexuality.You better watch how far over the top you go, else you'll lose credibility, even among the slower folk.
Well I already lost your credibility with your over the top ideas.
There you're right, Obama is a Nazi. Obama wants to kill (or jail) those who don't go along with him. For example, when you say you oppose discrimination, what you're really saying is that you want to send Christians to jail for not supporting others in the perversion of homosexuality.You better watch how far over the top you go, else you'll lose credibility, even among the slower folk.
Well I already lost your credibility with your over the top ideas.
Yea well...James 4:4 - Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.
Lets go back to Civics class for a moment The President does NOT make Laws the congress does that is Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reed with a Liberal Majority in congress they control all laws all agenda NOT THE PRESIDENThe can only ask and advise congress, they dont have to listen. The President can only say yes or No ..now whether you like the system or not ..Obama is in debt to the Liberals in congress. He is also the most Liberal member of congress according to the facts not rumor. He has made promises to say yes or they wouldn't be supporting him. And that is our system. Where do you all think Mr Obama is going to get all this money for all his promises? The country is bankrupt we had to print the money for the bailout thats makes the dollar worth less the more you print the less its worth.No president ever elected has done all that he has promised because he doesn't have the Power Congress does. Wake up if Obama is elected Nancy and Harry and the Liberal congress will run the country not Obama he will have to say yes to them because he owes them not because he necessarily agrees. The congress led by the Liberals has 8 % approval rating now and you want to give them control of the country? This time without any say so by the opposing party (repulicans) because they (the dems) have a filibuster proof majority. So they can do just do as they please. The only way to put any control on the Liberal congress is to elect a President from the oppisite Party thats government at its best. When Clinton was president Republicans controled congress so he had to comprimise with them. You give one party all the Power it doesnt work, You will get a Liberal country,whether you like it or not.
To answer the topic question, a Christian cannot vote for Obama. Obama is antithetical to Christian values and even to the faith itself. I understand those who want to vote for McCain for the reason Christina gives, to be a check on a Democrat Congress. But, my take is that McCain won't be much of a check on the Congress and he'll help the Democrats hold onto Congress. But, at least McCain is not running on a platform that is antithetical to Christianity.A vote for McCain is a vote to make make things worse in four years. That's the silver lining of McCain's impending defeat - a Republican Congress or maybe a conservative Republican president.
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To answer the topic question, a Christian cannot vote for Obama. Obama is antithetical to Christian values and even to the faith itself. I understand those who want to vote for McCain for the reason Christina gives, to be a check on a Democrat Congress. But, my take is that McCain won't be much of a check on the Congress and he'll help the Democrats hold onto Congress. But, at least McCain is not running on a platform that is antithetical to Christianity.A vote for McCain is a vote to make make things worse in four years. That's the silver lining of McCain's impending defeat - a Republican Congress or maybe a conservative Republican president.
Yea, well Obama is worser than McCain.Obama got the Homosexuals support, Abortionist support, and the Liberals support, the so-called Christians support.The only support he does NOT have is true Christians support.I think the whole world has more nonChristians than Christians does. So a vote for a third party is a waste of vote... and allowing the worest opponet to win by default... and the whole liberals will win?
To answer the topic question, a Christian cannot vote for Obama. Obama is antithetical to Christian values and even to the faith itself. I understand those who want to vote for McCain for the reason Christina gives, to be a check on a Democrat Congress. But, my take is that McCain won't be much of a check on the Congress and he'll help the Democrats hold onto Congress. But, at least McCain is not running on a platform that is antithetical to Christianity.A vote for McCain is a vote to make make things worse in four years. That's the silver lining of McCain's impending defeat - a Republican Congress or maybe a conservative Republican president.
Yea, well Obama is worser than McCain.Obama got the Homosexuals support, Abortionist support, and the Liberals support, the so-called Christians support.The only support he does NOT have is true Christians support.I think the whole world has more nonChristians than Christians does. So a vote for a third party is a waste of vote... and allowing the worest opponet to win by default... and the whole liberals will win?
(Jordan;62065)
I think the whole world has more nonChristians than Christians does. So a vote for a third party is a waste of vote... and allowing the worest opponet to win by default... and the whole liberals will win?
McCain is one of the most liberal members of the Senate. Christina has pointed out that Congress makes the laws, not the president. What we need to worry about is who is in Congress, not which liberal is going to sign whatever the Democratic congress sends them. McCain will help the Democrats hold congress by dragging the Republican reputation through the mud, as Bush has done.McCain must lose for the sake of America. It's the only chance to put conservatives in Congress in couple of years and to have a conservative president in four years.McCain must lose.
I think the whole world has more nonChristians than Christians does. So a vote for a third party is a waste of vote... and allowing the worest opponet to win by default... and the whole liberals will win?
McCain is one of the most liberal members of the Senate. Christina has pointed out that Congress makes the laws, not the president. What we need to worry about is who is in Congress, not which liberal is going to sign whatever the Democratic congress sends them. McCain will help the Democrats hold congress by dragging the Republican reputation through the mud, as Bush has done.McCain must lose for the sake of America. It's the only chance to put conservatives in Congress in couple of years and to have a conservative president in four years.McCain must lose.
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McCain is one of the most liberal members of the Senate. Christina has pointed out that Congress makes the laws, not the president. What we need to worry about is who is in Congress, not which liberal is going to sign whatever the Democratic congress sends them. McCain will help the Democrats hold congress by dragging the Republican reputation through the mud, as Bush has done.McCain must lose for the sake of America. It's the only chance to put conservatives in Congress in couple of years and to have a conservative president in four years.McCain must lose.
The problem with that way of thinking is the judges that will be appointed in the next four years will be with us for far more then 4 years. The debt that a Dem congress will bring about will take generations to pay off. If you think things are bad now, wait untill Nancy and Harry are in full control.
McCain is one of the most liberal members of the Senate. Christina has pointed out that Congress makes the laws, not the president. What we need to worry about is who is in Congress, not which liberal is going to sign whatever the Democratic congress sends them. McCain will help the Democrats hold congress by dragging the Republican reputation through the mud, as Bush has done.McCain must lose for the sake of America. It's the only chance to put conservatives in Congress in couple of years and to have a conservative president in four years.McCain must lose.
The problem with that way of thinking is the judges that will be appointed in the next four years will be with us for far more then 4 years. The debt that a Dem congress will bring about will take generations to pay off. If you think things are bad now, wait untill Nancy and Harry are in full control.
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McCain is one of the most liberal members of the Senate. Christina has pointed out that Congress makes the laws, not the president. What we need to worry about is who is in Congress, not which liberal is going to sign whatever the Democratic congress sends them. McCain will help the Democrats hold congress by dragging the Republican reputation through the mud, as Bush has done.McCain must lose for the sake of America. It's the only chance to put conservatives in Congress in couple of years and to have a conservative president in four years.McCain must lose.
The problem with that way of thinking is the judges that will be appointed in the next four years will be with us for far more then 4 years. The debt that a Dem congress will bring about will take generations to pay off. If you think things are bad now, wait untill Nancy and Harry are in full control. But the end is not that far off so we really don't need to worry that much.
McCain is one of the most liberal members of the Senate. Christina has pointed out that Congress makes the laws, not the president. What we need to worry about is who is in Congress, not which liberal is going to sign whatever the Democratic congress sends them. McCain will help the Democrats hold congress by dragging the Republican reputation through the mud, as Bush has done.McCain must lose for the sake of America. It's the only chance to put conservatives in Congress in couple of years and to have a conservative president in four years.McCain must lose.
The problem with that way of thinking is the judges that will be appointed in the next four years will be with us for far more then 4 years. The debt that a Dem congress will bring about will take generations to pay off. If you think things are bad now, wait untill Nancy and Harry are in full control. But the end is not that far off so we really don't need to worry that much.
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(Jordan;62065)
...I think the whole world has more nonChristians than Christians does. So a vote for a third party is a waste of vote... and allowing the worest opponet to win by default... and the whole liberals will win?
McCain is one of the most liberal members of the Senate. Christina has pointed out that Congress makes the laws, not the president. What we need to worry about is who is in Congress, not which liberal is going to sign whatever the Democratic congress sends them. McCain will help the Democrats hold congress by dragging the Republican reputation through the mud, as Bush has done.McCain must lose for the sake of America. It's the only chance to put conservatives in Congress in couple of years and to have a conservative president in four years.McCain must lose.(Christina;62059)
...The President does NOT make Laws...
(Christina;62059)
...the congress does that is Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reedwith a Liberal Majority in congress they control all laws all agenda...
Edit: My mistake!
(Jordan;62065)
...I think the whole world has more nonChristians than Christians does. So a vote for a third party is a waste of vote... and allowing the worest opponet to win by default... and the whole liberals will win?
McCain is one of the most liberal members of the Senate. Christina has pointed out that Congress makes the laws, not the president. What we need to worry about is who is in Congress, not which liberal is going to sign whatever the Democratic congress sends them. McCain will help the Democrats hold congress by dragging the Republican reputation through the mud, as Bush has done.McCain must lose for the sake of America. It's the only chance to put conservatives in Congress in couple of years and to have a conservative president in four years.McCain must lose.(Christina;62059)
...The President does NOT make Laws...
(Christina;62059)
...the congress does that is Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reedwith a Liberal Majority in congress they control all laws all agenda...
Edit: My mistake!
(Jordan;62065)
Yea, well Obama is worser than McCain.Obama got the Homosexuals support, Abortionist support, and the Liberals support, the so-called Christians support.The only support he does NOT have is true Christians support.I think the whole world has more nonChristians than Christians does. So a vote for a third party is a waste of vote... and allowing the worest opponet to win by default... and the whole liberals will win?
No one has the right to judge someone else's Christianity. That only show ignorance to what they think is right. Obama believes in an open mind and to think of more than just one religion. We are not a country of Christianity. We are a country of many religions. The Christian thing to do is to have an open mind and be respectful of other religions and not always have laws bias to our own. Though homosexual unions might be allowed it will not effect me and my Christianity. I will still praise the Lord and pray for those who sin. We can not force our ideals on to them.
Yea, well Obama is worser than McCain.Obama got the Homosexuals support, Abortionist support, and the Liberals support, the so-called Christians support.The only support he does NOT have is true Christians support.I think the whole world has more nonChristians than Christians does. So a vote for a third party is a waste of vote... and allowing the worest opponet to win by default... and the whole liberals will win?
No one has the right to judge someone else's Christianity. That only show ignorance to what they think is right. Obama believes in an open mind and to think of more than just one religion. We are not a country of Christianity. We are a country of many religions. The Christian thing to do is to have an open mind and be respectful of other religions and not always have laws bias to our own. Though homosexual unions might be allowed it will not effect me and my Christianity. I will still praise the Lord and pray for those who sin. We can not force our ideals on to them.
I did not say McCain was most liberal I said Obama was most liberal if I said McCain I made an error I 'll go look Obama is most liberal McCain may be middle of road Republican but he is not a Liberal democrat big difference. And the president does Not make laws maybe I was still asleep
(Byron-AW;62107)
(Jordan;62065)
Yea, well Obama is worser than McCain.Obama got the Homosexuals support, Abortionist support, and the Liberals support, the so-called Christians support.The only support he does NOT have is true Christians support.I think the whole world has more nonChristians than Christians does. So a vote for a third party is a waste of vote... and allowing the worest opponet to win by default... and the whole liberals will win?
No one has the right to judge someone else's Christianity. That only show ignorance to what they think is right. Obama believes in an open mind and to think of more than just one religion. We are not a country of Christianity. We are a country of many religions. The Christian thing to do is to have an open mind and be respectful of other religions and not always have laws bias to our own. Though homosexual unions might be allowed it will not effect me and my Christianity. I will still praise the Lord and pray for those who sin. We can not force our ideals on to them.First of all, nobody is judging anybody. Secondly, it's their choice to have a vote on who they want to vote on.Thirdly, nobody is forcing anybody.Fourthly, you have shown me nothing. I don't respect a religion from Satan. I hate Satan with a passion. I'll take God's Words oven men and Satan anyday.
(Jordan;62065)
Yea, well Obama is worser than McCain.Obama got the Homosexuals support, Abortionist support, and the Liberals support, the so-called Christians support.The only support he does NOT have is true Christians support.I think the whole world has more nonChristians than Christians does. So a vote for a third party is a waste of vote... and allowing the worest opponet to win by default... and the whole liberals will win?
No one has the right to judge someone else's Christianity. That only show ignorance to what they think is right. Obama believes in an open mind and to think of more than just one religion. We are not a country of Christianity. We are a country of many religions. The Christian thing to do is to have an open mind and be respectful of other religions and not always have laws bias to our own. Though homosexual unions might be allowed it will not effect me and my Christianity. I will still praise the Lord and pray for those who sin. We can not force our ideals on to them.First of all, nobody is judging anybody. Secondly, it's their choice to have a vote on who they want to vote on.Thirdly, nobody is forcing anybody.Fourthly, you have shown me nothing. I don't respect a religion from Satan. I hate Satan with a passion. I'll take God's Words oven men and Satan anyday.
Lets try this again:)Lets go back to Civics class for a moment The President does NOT make Laws the congress does that is Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reed with a Liberal Majority in congress they control all laws all agenda NOT THE PRESIDENThe can only ask and advise congress, they don't have to listen. The President can only say yes or No ..now whether you like the system or not ..Obama is in debt to the Liberals in congress. He (Obama) is also the most Liberal member of congress according to the facts not rumor. He has made promises to say yes or they wouldn't be supporting him. And that is our system. Where do you all think Mr Obama is going to get all this money for all his promises? The country is bankrupt we had to print the money for the bailout thats makes the dollar worth less the more you print the less its worth.No president ever elected has done all that he has promised because he doesn't have the Power Congress does. Wake up if Obama is elected Nancy and Harry and the Liberal congress will run the country not Obama he will have to say yes to them because he owes them not because he necessarily agrees. The congress led by the Liberals has 8 % approval rating now and you want to give them control of the country? This time without any say so by the opposing party (Republicans) because they (the dems) have a filibuster proof majority. So they can do just do as they please. The only way to put any control on the Liberal congress is to elect a President from the opposite Party that's government at its best. When Clinton was president Republicans controlled congress so he had to compromise with them. You give one party all the Power it doesn't work, You will get a Liberal country,whether you like it or not.This country will not survive four years of Liberal Dems we are on the verge of a total financial crash. By the time Liberals get through we will no longer have a Democracy but Socialism. So if Obama gets elected you wont have to worry about another Election they will tell you which of the socialist you have a choice between.
(Jordan;62112)
First of all, nobody is judging anybody. Secondly, it's their choice to have a vote on who they want to vote on.Thirdly, nobody is forcing anybody.Fourthly, you have shown me nothing. I don't respect a religion from Satan. I hate Satan with a passion. I'll take God's Words oven men and Satan anyday.
God tells you not to hate. It is a sin you know.
First of all, nobody is judging anybody. Secondly, it's their choice to have a vote on who they want to vote on.Thirdly, nobody is forcing anybody.Fourthly, you have shown me nothing. I don't respect a religion from Satan. I hate Satan with a passion. I'll take God's Words oven men and Satan anyday.
God tells you not to hate. It is a sin you know.
(Christina;62113)
Lets try this again:)Lets go back to Civics class for a moment The President does NOT make Laws the congress does that is Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reed with a Liberal Majority in congress they control all laws all agenda NOT THE PRESIDENThe can only ask and advise congress, they dont have to listen. The President can only say yes or No ..now whether you like the system or not ..Obama is in debt to the Liberals in congress. He (Obama) is also the most Liberal member of congress according to the facts not rumor. He has made promises to say yes or they wouldn't be supporting him. And that is our system. Where do you all think Mr Obama is going to get all this money for all his promises? The country is bankrupt we had to print the money for the bailout thats makes the dollar worth less the more you print the less its worth.No president ever elected has done all that he has promised because he doesn't have the Power Congress does. Wake up if Obama is elected Nancy and Harry and the Liberal congress will run the country not Obama he will have to say yes to them because he owes them not because he necessarily agrees. The congress led by the Liberals has 8 % approval rating now and you want to give them control of the country? This time without any say so by the opposing party (repulicans) because they (the dems) have a filibuster proof majority. So they can do just do as they please. The only way to put any control on the Liberal congress is to elect a President from the oppisite Party thats government at its best. When Clinton was president Republicans controled congress so he had to comprimise with them. You give one party all the Power it doesnt work, You will get a Liberal country,whether you like it or not.
Thanks for correcting your post. I'll go edit my other post now... Although I copy and paste your post though.
Lets try this again:)Lets go back to Civics class for a moment The President does NOT make Laws the congress does that is Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reed with a Liberal Majority in congress they control all laws all agenda NOT THE PRESIDENThe can only ask and advise congress, they dont have to listen. The President can only say yes or No ..now whether you like the system or not ..Obama is in debt to the Liberals in congress. He (Obama) is also the most Liberal member of congress according to the facts not rumor. He has made promises to say yes or they wouldn't be supporting him. And that is our system. Where do you all think Mr Obama is going to get all this money for all his promises? The country is bankrupt we had to print the money for the bailout thats makes the dollar worth less the more you print the less its worth.No president ever elected has done all that he has promised because he doesn't have the Power Congress does. Wake up if Obama is elected Nancy and Harry and the Liberal congress will run the country not Obama he will have to say yes to them because he owes them not because he necessarily agrees. The congress led by the Liberals has 8 % approval rating now and you want to give them control of the country? This time without any say so by the opposing party (repulicans) because they (the dems) have a filibuster proof majority. So they can do just do as they please. The only way to put any control on the Liberal congress is to elect a President from the oppisite Party thats government at its best. When Clinton was president Republicans controled congress so he had to comprimise with them. You give one party all the Power it doesnt work, You will get a Liberal country,whether you like it or not.
Thanks for correcting your post. I'll go edit my other post now... Although I copy and paste your post though.
(Byron-AW;62115)
(Jordan;62112)
First of all, nobody is judging anybody. Secondly, it's their choice to have a vote on who they want to vote on.Thirdly, nobody is forcing anybody.Fourthly, you have shown me nothing. I don't respect a religion from Satan. I hate Satan with a passion. I'll take God's Words oven men and Satan anyday.
God tells you not to hate. It is a sin you know.To love Satan is to love his work and / or supporting it.Nowhere in the bible says we are to love Satan. So I'm very proud of it.
(Jordan;62112)
First of all, nobody is judging anybody. Secondly, it's their choice to have a vote on who they want to vote on.Thirdly, nobody is forcing anybody.Fourthly, you have shown me nothing. I don't respect a religion from Satan. I hate Satan with a passion. I'll take God's Words oven men and Satan anyday.
God tells you not to hate. It is a sin you know.To love Satan is to love his work and / or supporting it.Nowhere in the bible says we are to love Satan. So I'm very proud of it.
(Byron-AW;62115)
God tells you not to hate. It is a sin you know.
We are to hate the sin ...not the sinner,,, but how we show love to the sinner is NOT by encouraging them to partake in a sin God finds an abomination We are to set an example stand up for Gods Word, love the sinner enough to help keep them from losing their salvation. Letting them do what God, says they should not..... is not showing love its showing one is a lukewarm Christian willing to compromise Gods word if you give us good enough reason. Put on your armor of God he doesn't want your lukewarm reasoning he wants you to be his warrior and defend his Words. Rev 3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
God tells you not to hate. It is a sin you know.
We are to hate the sin ...not the sinner,,, but how we show love to the sinner is NOT by encouraging them to partake in a sin God finds an abomination We are to set an example stand up for Gods Word, love the sinner enough to help keep them from losing their salvation. Letting them do what God, says they should not..... is not showing love its showing one is a lukewarm Christian willing to compromise Gods word if you give us good enough reason. Put on your armor of God he doesn't want your lukewarm reasoning he wants you to be his warrior and defend his Words. Rev 3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
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