Christ Died for All

[Dash RipRock]

Christ Died for All​

Yes.

And ALL who Die “For Him” shall be Saved unto Him.

That's a good way to put it.

Those that submit themselves to the Lord will be saved.

Those that live for self claiming to be Christian won't be saved.

It gives them an excuse to ignore their own sin.. by judging others..

In reality it gives them comfort to continue in their pet sin which is why they love so called eternal security teaching.

A legalist calls us sin lovers. Because we preach grace.

False grace teachers always accuse those opposed to sinful living as being legalists

Gal 6 tells us God is not mocked, what we sow is what we reap and if we sow to the flesh we reap corruption

The false grace teachers claim this is legalism because they are actually in opposition to the Lord and don't know it.

Jesus death opened the narrow path to all. Few find it.

Exactly.

If limited atonement was true Jesus would not have said that.

This is one of many ways we know limited atonement is heresy

But these people continue to claim Jesus Christ is a liar so they are reprobate

We are told to come alongside, not power over them in judgment

If they refuse to turn from their sin they are cut off and real Christians are not to continue fellowship with them

I do not know of other Jesus’.

The other 3 jesus are fake which is his point

Yes--Son of God= not God.

If you think Jesus is not God,. then you deny scripture.

John 1:1-3
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
The same was in the beginning with God.
All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

God Himself called Jesus God:

Hebrews 1:8
But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

yes. You have a different Jesus

At least he doesn't appear to be teaching the false jesus of the false grace movement which is heresy

I pray I always remain eternally-grateful for such a great God who saved a wretched soul as myself.

Once he saved you, did He leave you a wretched soul and a sinner?

 

[Taken]

That's a good way to put it.

Those that submit themselves to the Lord will be saved.

Those that live for self claiming to be Christian won't be saved.

A Christian IS a “follower” of Christs Teachings. It is neither here or there that the word “Christian” defines an individuals Belief or Submission.

Belief “IN” What, is critical.
Following with Option to STOP following is critical.
Thinking ABOUT or Literal Submission and WHEN is critical.

Pretending “Anyone” identifying “as” A “Christian” or “Believer” reveals “that individuals “Standing” “Forever WITH or Forever WITHOUT the Lord God Almighty…
IS a debate Without pertinent FACTS.
(And routinely the Case among men.)

God bless you.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Eternally Grateful]

In reality it gives them comfort to continue in their pet sin which is why they love so called eternal security teaching.

lol.. no

eterna security is essential to true saving faith, the assurance that keeps us believing.

The legalists excuse their sins by judging people they think commit worse sins, so they can help their own conscience

False grace teachers always accuse those opposed to sinful living as being legalists

its either grace or it is works.

A false grace teacher preaches works.

Gal 6 tells us God is not mocked, what we sow is what we reap and if we sow to the flesh we reap corruption

Yep..

we all deserve condemnation. I hope you do not think you are above this. God would take you down where you stand if you had to stand in front of him with your own righteousness

The false grace teachers claim this is legalism because they are actually in opposition to the Lord and don't know it.

Dude, Your the one who seems to be saying grace is not enough.

You mock grace

Exactly.

If limited atonement was true Jesus would not have said that.

This is one of many ways we know limited atonement is heresy

But these people continue to claim Jesus Christ is a liar so they are reprobate

yes atonement is unlimited.

Ok my friend, you need to answer one person at a time..

 

[Dash RipRock]

eterna security is essential to true saving faith

So called eternal security teaching aka once saved always saved is a doctrine of demons.

Those that don't accept the whole counsel of God follow false eternal security teaching

2 Peter 2:20 - For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.

2 Peter 2:20 is an example of someone who was legitimately born again but backslid and went back to their sin and in the end they are not saved and will be worse of in eternity than if they had never gotten born again in the first place.

Those falsely claiming one can never lose their salvation cause others to stumble and are turning the grace of the Lord in to lasciviousness - Jude 1:4

A false grace teacher preaches works.

Those who truly have been born again put off the old man and put on the new man which is created in righteousness and true holiness being set apart unto the Lord being led by the Holy Spirit Who leads true believers to do good works and to NOT walk after the flesh.

The fruit of the Spirit (results of the Holy Spirit living in true believers) is to do good works.
Ephesians 2:10 - For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

God has ORDAINED His people to walk in good works, but the tares object to this because they have been deceived and indoctrinated by the fake gospel of reformed theology and or catholic theology all of which is based on the teachings of augustine who was a gnostic who claimed he has "special" revelation that did not come from God's Word. He was demon possessed with deception.

Ephesians 4:24 - And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

Romans 13:14 - But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.

Hebrews 9:14 - How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

Romans 6:4-6 - Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

Colossians 3:5,6 - Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:
For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:

Feel free to disobey the Lord and see where that leads.

I hope you do not think you are above this. God would take you down where you stand if you had to stand in front of him with your own righteousness

What part of my post suggested that reaping what we sow did not apply to me?

Dude, Your the one who seems to be saying grace is not enough.

You mock grace

I see you have the speculation thing going on over there.

By the leading of the Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ I mock false grace that the majority of churches and preachers teach today that came out of reformed theology which is doctrines of demons.

But feel free to engage and follow the false doctrine of reformed theology or catholic teachings which ever you are fond of and see where you end up.

Ok my friend, you need to answer one person at a time..

As a child of God I'm to submit to the leading of the Lord so I won't be obeying your demands. Sorry.

 

[Christian Soldier]

Correct, because God doesn't condemn anyone to eternal torment in hell

OK, so you believe the Lord Jesus Christ is a liar and I don't so we will agree to disagree

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

Who died for the Devil himself ?

Salvation is for all !

But one has free will !

Many will chose the Darkness for that is their nature, regarding being a weakling self serving grub with grubs.
They do not hold out their hand to bring others up, but only to bring others down in fact. because they can not see past their own nose ! that is They, and they think everyone is just the same as them.

Their is a great void between them and the Saved in Christ Salvation !

 

[Christian Soldier]

I think you misunderstood. I've seen this happen before. If someone says, Christ died for all- they are called a UNIVERSALIST? Baloney. Did you not read what @Eternally Grateful said immediately below that? I will quote-

"He who believes is not condemned, he who does not believe is condemned already"

You can't have it both ways, if Christ died for every single person who was ever born and who is yet to be born, then He is a "universalist". But thank God the Lord Jesus Christ is not a universalist, He proved it when He said in -

John 17:9-10 "I pray for them—I do not pray for the world, but for those whom You have given Me, for they are Yours. And all Mine are Yours, and Yours are Mine, and I am glorified in them."

The above completely destroys the "Demonic Doctrine" of universalism. If universalism is a true bible doctrine, then it means that the Lord Jesus Christ is a liar.

I can give you a truck load of scriptures to bury this heresy if require more proof.

The horrible truth of the gospel message is that, only the elect of God are saved, God chose us before He created the world. I know everyone hates this truth, except or the elect. We love the Truth, because the Truth is the Lord Jesus Christ, He said "I am the Truth"

 

[One 2 question]

God has ORDAINED His people to walk in good works, but the tares object to this because they have been deceived and indoctrinated by the fake gospel of reformed theology and or catholic theology all of which is based on the teachings of augustine who was a gnostic who claimed he has "special" revelation that did not come from God's Word. He was demon possessed with deception.

You're not saying that anyone who receive revelation that doesn’t come from God's expressed thoughts given to certain humans now recorded in the bible, are all demon possessed with deception are you?

Maybe you need to clarify your use of the word, "special" revelation.

 

[One 2 question]

So called eternal security teaching aka once saved always saved is a doctrine of demons.

Are you saying that what Jesus taught was doctrine of demons?

John 10:28-30

I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. I and the Father are one.”

The reason I say that is because I've read many posts from Calvinists quoting this.

Maybe there are some tares amoung the wheat but maybe not all they teach are from demons.

I'm not a calvinist so I can't speak for them.​

 

[One 2 question]

if Christ died for every single person who was ever born and who is yet to be born, then He is a "universalist". But thank God the Lord Jesus Christ is not a universalist,

I don't identify as a universalist.

Yet I'm a little confused that you thank God that He sent His Sacrificial Lamb not to die for every person and their sins.

Have I understood you correctly?

 

[PS95]

You can't have it both ways, if Christ died for every single person who was ever born and who is yet to be born, then He is a "universalist". But thank God the Lord Jesus Christ is not a universalist, He proved it when He said in -

John 17:9-10 "I pray for them—I do not pray for the world, but for those whom You have given Me, for they are Yours. And all Mine are Yours, and Yours are Mine, and I am glorified in them."

The above completely destroys the "Demonic Doctrine" of universalism. If universalism is a true bible doctrine, then it means that the Lord Jesus Christ is a liar.

I can give you a truck load of scriptures to bury this heresy if require more proof.

The horrible truth of the gospel message is that, only the elect of God are saved, God chose us before He created the world. I know everyone hates this truth, except or the elect. We love the Truth, because the Truth is the Lord Jesus Christ, He said "I am the Truth"

Baloney. I am not a universalist. You come at this with other preconceived errors which is why only your way makes sense to you but you have to ignore what is plain..
You reject clear and simple scripture

and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. 1 John 2;2

You are rejecting scripture, not me. It says what it says. Talk about being destroyed. I'm sure you will twist that one. lol

John 17- So what? Don't you know what the world is there? The world is unbelievers. Jesus was praying for BELIEVERS.
The Father calls us to the Son. The Son draws all men to Himself. <-you don't know what that means. You've made us into puppets.

Of course only the elect are saved. lol I never said otherwise. Elect are believers. Like I said, you come at this from preconceived erroneous. notions. That is why you are confused.
I am not interested in debating with you. You are too nasty.

 

[One 2 question]

A Christian IS a “follower” of Christs Teachings.

Just to clarify your statement. When you say, Christ's teaching, what exactly are you refering to?

 

[Christian Soldier]

God's plan of salvation was conceived in His mind with no human involvement.

God's plan of sanctification was conceived in His mind with no human involvement.

God's eternal purpose was conceived in His mind with no human involvement.

From eternity to eternity God is exercising His sovereignty to bring about His eternal purpose and script.

All of His creations are designed, created and used by Him for His pleasure.

God doesn't make any plans, man is the one who makes plans and then hopes that everything falls into place for his plan to work out. God simply decrees something and it is as good as done and nothing can change it, He also spoke all things into existence. He didn't need to make plans to create anything, so I don't think it appropriate to say that God planned anything.

We have nothing to offer God at all, we are entirely dependent upon God for absolutely everything. We depend on Him to give us our next breath, so that should humble us and prevent any pride from sneaking in.

Galatians 2:20: "I have been crucified with Christ; and I now live not I, but Christ lives in me. And the life which I now live in the flesh, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me."

This verse emphasizes that a Christian's old self has died, and Christ now lives in them, directing their life. Salvation is never a joint effort between God and man, it is all of God.

 

[One 2 question]

The Father calls us to the Son. The Son draws all men to Himself. <-you don't know what that means. You've made us into puppets.

God actually gave an analogy of something similar.

Jer 18:1 This is the word that came to Jeremiah from the Lord: 2 “Go down to the potter’s house, and there I will give you my message.” 3 So I went down to the potter’s house, and I saw him working at the wheel. 4 But the pot he was shaping from the clay was marred in his hands; so the potter formed it into another pot, shaping it as seemed best to him.
5 Then the word of the Lord came to me. 6 He said, “Can I not do with you, Israel, as this potter does?” declares the Lord. “Like clay in the hand of the potter, so are you in my hand, Israel. 7 If at any time I announce that a nation or kingdom is to be uprooted, torn down and destroyed, 8 and if that nation I warned repents of its evil, then I will relent and not inflict on it the disaster I had planned. 9 And if at another time I announce that a nation or kingdom is to be built up and planted, 10 and if it does evil in my sight and does not obey me, then I will reconsider the good I had intended to do for it.

AND

Rom 9:18 Therefore He has mercy on whom He wills, and whom He wills He hardens.
19 You will say to me then, “Why does He still find fault? For who has resisted His will?” 20 But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed say to him who formed it, “Why have you made me like this?” 21 Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor?
22 What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory.

 

[Christian Soldier]

You should not be spreading heresies. Stop teaching; you are not qualified to do so.

What heresies are you talking about, please let me know so I can repent of them. So that's how you handle the truth when you hear it, you attack the person, instead of dealing with the awful truth of the matter.

 

[Christian Soldier]

You are spiritually blind to see and understand. You think God set up a forever "Auschwitz" where he senselessly tortures people FOREVER. Your theology is unbiblical and DEMONIC.

I'm sorry to see that you hate Gods Word, so I won't unload the truck load of scriptures which confirm "eternal torment in the lake of fire". They say ignorance is bliss, and jumping of a sky scraper doesn't kill you and it's true, jumping off doesn't kill you but the sudden stop at the bottom does.

 

[Christian Soldier]

I don't identify as a universalist.

Yet I'm a little confused that you thank God that He sent His Sacrificial Lamb not to die for every person and their sins.

Have I understood you correctly?

I thank God for His infallible Word, which makes it crystal clear that God is not a universalist. So I'm thankful that the "universalist doctrine" is a Demonic doctrine and God is not mocked

 

[PS95]

God actually gave an analogy of something similar.

Jer 18:1 This is the word that came to Jeremiah from the Lord: 2 “Go down to the potter’s house, and there I will give you my message.” 3 So I went down to the potter’s house, and I saw him working at the wheel. 4 But the pot he was shaping from the clay was marred in his hands; so the potter formed it into another pot, shaping it as seemed best to him.
5 Then the word of the Lord came to me. 6 He said, “Can I not do with you, Israel, as this potter does?” declares the Lord. “Like clay in the hand of the potter, so are you in my hand, Israel. 7 If at any time I announce that a nation or kingdom is to be uprooted, torn down and destroyed, 8 and if that nation I warned repents of its evil, then I will relent and not inflict on it the disaster I had planned. 9 And if at another time I announce that a nation or kingdom is to be built up and planted, 10 and if it does evil in my sight and does not obey me, then I will reconsider the good I had intended to do for it.

AND

Rom 9:18 Therefore He has mercy on whom He wills, and whom He wills He hardens.
19 You will say to me then, “Why does He still find fault? For who has resisted His will?” 20 But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed say to him who formed it, “Why have you made me like this?” 21 Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor?
22 What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory.

Israel/ Spiritual Israel.
ALL people will be saved. that is Universalist. I am not a Universalist. I believe you are.
I am not a Calvinist.
Some people don't know the difference because they twist the scriptures.
Take care.

 

[Berean]

OK, so you believe the Lord Jesus Christ is a liar and I don't so we will agree to disagree

Where did I say Jesus was a liar?

 

[Christian Soldier]

Baloney. I am not a universalist. You come at this with other preconceived errors which is why only your way makes sense to you but you have to ignore what is plain..
You reject clear and simple scripture

and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. 1 John 2;2

You are rejecting scripture, not me. It says what it says. Talk about being destroyed. I'm sure you will twist that one. lol

John 17- So what? Don't you know what the world is there? The world is unbelievers. Jesus was praying for BELIEVERS.
The Father calls us to the Son. The Son draws all men to Himself. <-you don't know what that means. You've made us into puppets.

Of course only the elect are saved. lol I never said otherwise. Elect are believers. Like I said, you come at this from preconceived erroneous. notions. That is why you are confused.
I am not interested in debating with you. You are too nasty.

I can't save you from your sin, so I'm not here to debate you. You obviously reject correction and instruction, so I'm happy to leave you in your ignorance.

I can see your teacher has fed you false doctrine and taught you to reject sound doctrine, this is obvious because of the way you abuse Gods Word to make it say something untrue.

Your interpretation of 1 John 2:2 means that Jesus is a liar, if He died for the whole world (meaning every single person), then why does He cast the majority into the lake of fire. See how twisted your theology is?

Have you ever considered the possibility that Jesus meant "the rest of the world" in 1 John 2:2 what if He meant "I didn't only die for you guys, but I died for all of those the Father gave Me", you know form every tribe, tongue and corner of the world.

I get the sense that you don't want to know the awful truth of the gospel, so I'll leave you in your bliss.