Christ Died for All

[One 2 question]

God doesn't make any plans

Jer 29:11 For I know the plans I have for you,” declares the Lord, “plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future.

Gen 12:1-3 Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee: And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:
And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

 

[Dash RipRock]

OK, so you believe the Lord Jesus Christ is a liar and I don't so we will agree to disagree

Anytime someone thinks the Lord is a liar, they should be called out as the servant of satan that they are.

Who died for the devil himself ?

Nobody died for the devil and there is no salvation for satan and demons

Those claiming there is are listening to demons.

You're not saying that anyone who receive revelation that doesn’t come from God's expressed thoughts given to certain humans now recorded in the bible, are all demon possessed with deception are you?

Maybe you need to clarify your use of the word, "special" revelation.

You obviously have not studied the gnostics probably because you are one

Are you saying that what Jesus taught was doctrine of demons?

Jesus never taught once saved always saved, but those indoctrinated by the false doctrine of such are reprobate and wouldn't know.

These people like to keep the door open to sinful behavior so they like false doctrine so they can sin and claim to still be saved.

After all they believe God made ever little baby that was ever born a sinner and we just cannot help but live in sin even after getting saved and so that's what they do is live in sin and claim to be saved like all good tares.

I'm not a calvinist so I can't speak for them.

Your precious once saved always saved heresy came out of reformed theology

When you say, Christ's teaching, what exactly are you refering to?

Yeah, that would be the entire New Testament not just the words in red.

 

[One 2 question]

Yeah, that would be the entire New Testament not just the words in red.

So Christ's teaching is what He taught in person (most were never written down) AND what ever His hearers passed on to others (most were never recorded)?

Your precious once saved always saved heresy came out of reformed theology

Those of us who Father chose and Jesus redeemed to reign with Him in His kingdom will do that. The zeal of the Sovereign God will accomplish this.

I'm not concerned at all about what others, including the reformers, think.

Christ's Spirit and I keep it simple. He teaches, I listen. He enables me to believe and obey Christ. We are in partnership in the process of sanctification.

This is evidenced by His fruit we bear and the gifts we share. It's a fantastic privilege to serve Christ and His body.

 

[Dash RipRock]

So Christ's teaching is what He taught in person (most were never written down) AND what ever His hearers passed on to others (most were never recorded)?

The other writings are Words from God and Jesus as well
The biblical writers were not making stuff up and they were not writing their own thoughts.

2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

2 Peter 1:21
For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

Revelation 19:10
for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy. (God's Word is what 2 Peter 1:16-21 is speaking of)

2 Peter 1:21 is referring to that which Jesus (God's Word) has to say to mankind thru the written Word which is the oracles of God which came thru the descendants of Abraham

Romans 3:2
because that unto them were committed the oracles of God

Those of us who Father chose

You think those that don't get saved are lost because God did not choose them?

That's right out of the false doctrines of calvinism

Most are influenced today by the false doctrines of the reformers whether they know it or not.

This heresy is being taught all over the world and will cause many to not spend eternity with the Lord.

 

[Taken]

Just to clarify your statement. When you say, Christ's teaching, what exactly are you refering to?

All Jesus Said.

 

[One 2 question]

The other writings are Words from God and Jesus as well
The biblical writers were not making stuff up and they were not writing their own thoughts.

Paul did and admitted it.

1 Cor 7:12 But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not...

 

[One 2 question]

2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Scripture is profitable and beneficial.

2 Peter 1:21
For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

Also holy men and women of God speak as we are being moved along by the same Holy Ghost who lives in us, members of the church.

Revelation 19:10
for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy. (God's Word is what 2 Peter 1:16-21 is speaking of)

And those carried along by the same Spirit (who the Spirit adds to the church to be prophets) still prophesy to this day.

2 Peter 1:21 is referring to that which Jesus (God's Word) has to say to mankind thru the written Word which is the oracles of God which came thru the descendants of Abraham

21 For prophecy never had its origin in the human will, but prophets, though human, spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.

Again, there's not difference in the church. The word of God, being His expressed thoughts, continue to be disclosed to and through the church.

Romans 3:2
because that unto them were committed the oracles of God

I'm not sure what you are eluding to with this quote.

 

[One 2 question]

All Jesus Said.

Ok. Thanks for clarifying.

I didn't want to assume you meant only what was recorded in the pages of the bible.

Most of what Jesus taught obviously isn't found in the bibles.

 

[One 2 question]

You think those that don't get saved are lost because God did not choose them?

Absolutely. Those who are not chosen to be redeemed by Jesus are on the broad road, actually born on it.

Unfortunately all are condemned by default. For all are born in Adam.

But we know that the redeemed are chosen to reign with Christ in His coming 1000 year kingdom.

 

[Taken]

Ok. Thanks for clarifying.

I didn't want to assume you meant only what was recorded in the pages of the bible.

Most of what Jesus taught obviously isn't found in the bibles.

What IS Plainly taught in Scripture IS sufficiant for any individual to Discover HOW TO establish and maintain a Lasting and Forever Relationship with God.

The Texts reveal First-hand account in Jesus’ Words…as well as…the Gospel According TO…the testimonies of those in Jesus’ presence.

God bless you.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[amigo de christo]

All Jesus Said.

ALL .
Lets keep that in mind shall we . Now do feel free to ask me
why by grace i have never been REMARRIED . ALL things JESUS taught .
AND the apostels too as they were influenced BY the HOLY SPIRIT .
ALL JESUS said .
Lets remember that the next time one sits under a pope , a prosperity preacher nar realm ,
Or any other leader who preaches contrary to CHRIST , but twists the scrips to make IT SEEM OKAY .
cause your statement IS RIGHT . ALL JESUS SAID .

 

[amigo de christo]

Paul did and admitted it.

1 Cor 7:12 But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not...

Do you ever wonder why PUAL did that . Now notice when he did he said THIS IS NOT the commandment of the LORD .
Now i have a questoin for you .
WHY do you THINK paul wrote IF the unbelieving spouse wants to remain , LET THEM .
WHY was it NOT a COMMANDMENT , YET ITS Actually got good wisdom in it .
WHY .
Because MEN could put away , and if fact WERE COMMANDED to PUT AWAY wives or etc
In the law they could even be stoned for some pratices .
PAUL , thus made sure to say THIS IS NOT a commnadment from the LORD .
HOWEVER paul told them WHY he said this .
Because in time one might WIN the unbeliever . That was the WHY he wrote it .
HOWEVER if the UNBELIEVER depart LET THEM GO .
In only two cases in the letters did paul make this case . BUT everything else was COMING as a direct
commandment BY THE SPIRIT .
But we both know why , the why you want to beleive certain things were MADE UP by paul and others .
COULD IT BE SOMETHING perhaps written IN ROMANS ONE that do EXPOSE certain sins .
Most folks love sin and by golly they will sit under what tickles that ear . BUT reader and all beware
THE END of such a one IS HORRENDOUS .

 

[Dash RipRock]

Paul did and admitted it.

You are confused if you think Paul was making stuff up as he went along and the Lord did not lead Him in what to write.

The devil loves to trick people in to accepting such lies so they will end up not believing God's Word.

Also holy men and women of God speak as we are being moved along by the same Holy Ghost who lives in us

And when you speak it's not on the same level as scripture.

Again, there's not difference in the church. The word of God, being His expressed thoughts, continue to be disclosed to and through the church.

And yet scripture is still above what we think or say.

If what one thinks and says does not agree with scripture, then they speak in behalf of the devil

I'm not sure what you are eluding to with this quote.

The oracles of God did not come thru the catholic church or the protestant church.

The catholic church and the protestant church twisted scripture and gave us doctrines of demons courtesy of the devil.

Absolutely. Those who are not chosen to be redeemed by Jesus

That's the devil's teaching that God decided some people are assigned to hell before they were even born.

YOU may be one of the one's God assigned to hell and will learn of your fate when you die and go to hell.

This being based on the false doctrine of limited atonement which is a doctrine of demons.

It's too bad you have not accepted all the Lord says on this subject in His Word which is how satan deceived you on this.

Most of what Jesus taught obviously isn't found in the bibles.

And there ladies and gentlemen we see the open door satan uses to bring in false doctrine.

Jesus personally oversaw when went in to God's canon and He included in scripture all the things He wants and needs mankind to know and be aware of.

Do not go beyond what is written - 1 Corinthians 4:6

 

[Christian Soldier]

Where did I say Jesus was a liar?

You didn't directly say that He's a liar, but when you reject what He said, you make Him a liar. He is the One who casts sinners into the lake of fire, where they are tormented with fire for all eternity.

If you don't believe that He keeps His Word, then you're implying that He's a liar.

 

[Keiw]

“knowing” a fact…
AND
“understanding” a fact…
ARE
“two different things.”

God, purposed IN Himself.
God, Named “His Word…JESUS”.
God, “Called” “His WORD…Son, Faithful, Truth, Life, Way.”
God, “Titled” “His WORD…Lord, Christ, Power, Seed, Savior, King of kings.

Who IS Gods “King”?
Who IS Gods “Word”?
Who IS Gods “Power”?
Who IS Gods “Seed”?
Who IS Gods “God”?

( carnal understanding parallel, no mystery…
Trump is “President” of the USA.
Who IS Trumps “President”?
Trump IS his own President.)

( spiritual understanding, mysterious…
God IS His own King.
God IS His own Word.
God IS His own Power.
God IS His own Seed.
God IS His own God.)

John 1:
[1] In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

So…reviewing, “your word, your point”…
“Gods WORD, is NOT “your God”?

Jehovah the true living God is my God. Jesus is his son. There is only 1 God. --Isaiah 44:6- I am YHVH(Jehovah) beside me ( not we) there is no other God. The mislead using altered translations believe ERRORS over Gods truth=sad.

 

[Keiw]

yes. You have a different Jesus

Yes the real one who has always had a God just like all created beings-Psalm 45:7--John 20:17--Rev 3:12

 

[Keiw]

Grace is offered to all.

To those who obey by receiving it in faith. The result of grace will be applied (salvation)

to those who disobey, by trying to earn it with works.. well they will suffer the result of unbelief.

But you do not obey Jesus, that is the problem.

 

[Keiw]

@Keiw

Jesus Introduced AS Son.
…”Carnally” (mind) understood.
Revealed IS God.
…Spiritually” (spirit) understood.

What DID JESUS “understand”…?
Phil 2:
[5] Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
[6] Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

Are human men “equal with God”…God Himself? No.

Can human men CONVERTED IN Christ Jesus, Receive Gods Spiritual (mysterious) “understanding”? Yes.

Does CHRIST JESUS desire human men Receive “Spiritual Understanding”? Yes.

Col 1:
[9] For this cause we also, since the day we heard it, do not cease to pray for you, and to desire that ye might be filled with the knowledge of his will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding;

Glory to God,
Taken

Not all translations have that error you posted--Thought it not robbery.

 

[Keiw]

That's a good way to put it.

Those that submit themselves to the Lord will be saved.

Those that live for self claiming to be Christian won't be saved.



In reality it gives them comfort to continue in their pet sin which is why they love so called eternal security teaching.



False grace teachers always accuse those opposed to sinful living as being legalists

Gal 6 tells us God is not mocked, what we sow is what we reap and if we sow to the flesh we reap corruption

The false grace teachers claim this is legalism because they are actually in opposition to the Lord and don't know it.



Exactly.

If limited atonement was true Jesus would not have said that.

This is one of many ways we know limited atonement is heresy

But these people continue to claim Jesus Christ is a liar so they are reprobate



If they refuse to turn from their sin they are cut off and real Christians are not to continue fellowship with them



The other 3 jesus are fake which is his point



If you think Jesus is not God,. then you deny scripture.

John 1:1-3
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
The same was in the beginning with God.
All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

God Himself called Jesus God:

Hebrews 1:8
But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.




At least he doesn't appear to be teaching the false jesus of the false grace movement which is heresy




Once he saved you, did He leave you a wretched soul and a sinner?

Maybe you never saw the Greek--At Both John 1:1 and 2 Cor 4:4-The Word and satan are called the same Greek word while the true God is called another Greek word. The reason why = God and god--The Word is a god, not God. Catholicism( 2Thess 2:3) put God at John 1:1 to the Word., they erred to fit false council teachings. The Greek word given to the Word and to satan translates the exact same at both spots=reality. Small g god= has godlike qualities.

 

[Christian Soldier]

Jer 29:11 For I know the plans I have for you,” declares the Lord, “plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future.

Gen 12:1-3 Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee: And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:
And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

As you know, I reject your NIV version of the Bible because it's a perverted and abominable translation. The Holy Bible is Gods Word, He promised to torment those who pervert His Word, in the lake of fire.

If you care to read any of the unprevented correct translations of the Bible, you would find that they never ascribe such foolish words as "plan" to God. God is not blind, He can see all of time, from the beginning to the end at this moment. He ordained everything to happen exactly as it's happening, down to the last detail. So it's utterly foolish to suggest that God would plan what He already signed, sealed and delivered.

The faithful translation of Jer 29:11 is - For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, says the Lord, thoughts of peace and not of evil, to give you a future and a hope.

As you can see there's no foolish plan to speak of in the original faithful translation. The NIV translators,, deliberately undermine Gods Word, in order to deceive you