Christ Died for All

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Well, I never said "all will automatically be saved." I do believe ALL will be given the opportunity to be saved.

Well, if they're dead, why bother to raise them only to put them back in the grave or if you're a proponent of hellfire and brimstone, to torture them for all eternity? Which begs the question: if you die without Christ in this life, where do you go? Certainly not heaven, and if hell is the place, is it hellfire or the sleep in the grave? If someone goes to hell, why bring them back to be judged, only to be sent back to the flames? NO, I believe the scriptures teach that every man, woman, and child who ever lived will be resurrected and enter into the Kingdom reign of Christ and the Church. There, during that millennial reign, they will learn what God did for them through the person of Jesus, free from the influence of Satan, who will be tossed into the abyss. Mankind will then grow in grace and knowledge, and eventually human perfection, then Satan will be let loose for a little season to deceive the nations. Mankind will then be tested, and those who fail will go into destruction; the rest will inherit the earth.

Let me ask, what is the Millennial Kingdom for? This is a parable that had nothing to do with hellfire.


Again, you miss the point. All will not be saved, but all will be given the opportunity to be saved.
Thanks for your response. I appreciate your tone and the seriousness with which you're thinking about this—but I have to speak plainly and scripturally. What you’ve described isn’t just a different interpretation. It’s a dangerous doctrine that undermines the gospel’s urgency, rewrites the purpose of the cross, and ultimately puts souls at risk.

You say all will be “given the opportunity” to be saved—even after death. But that’s not what the Bible teaches.


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The Word Is Clear: No Second Chances After Death

> “It is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment.” — Hebrews 9:27



There’s no hint of another opportunity after death—only judgment. This isn't symbolism. It’s finality. If God’s Word is true, then death seals a person’s eternal state. Your idea of a post-mortem grace period doesn’t come from Scripture—it comes from wishful thinking.


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Jesus Never Preached a Future Opportunity. He Preached Now.

> *“Now is the favorable time; behold, *now is the day of salvation.” — 2 Corinthians 6:2



> “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand!” — Matthew 4:17



> “Unless you repent, you will all likewise perish.” — Luke 13:3



There is no gospel after death. No repentance in the grave. If that were true, Jesus would’ve said so. But He didn’t. In fact, He said the opposite:


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️ What About the Rich Man and Lazarus?

> “Between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, in order that those who would pass from here to you may not be able.” — Luke 16:26



This isn't a parable about economics—it’s a divine warning: once you cross into death, your fate is fixed. The rich man didn't get a second chance. He was tormented and aware—but there was no crossing back, no gospel offered, no purgatory to escape from. This is the clearest picture Jesus gave of post-death reality.


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The Cross Demands a Response in This Life

You said, "Why raise them just to judge them?" But that's not a question of logic—it’s a question of justice.

> “All who are in the graves will hear His voice and come out—those who have done good to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil to the resurrection of judgment.” — John 5:28–29



God will raise the dead to vindicate His righteousness. Judgment isn’t cruel—it’s holy. It honors those who trusted Him and exposes those who rejected Him.

The gospel is an invitation—but it also carries a warning.

> “Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.” — John 3:36



Notice it doesn’t say the wrath will “begin later”—it says it remains. That’s present-tense condemnation for unbelief now—not after some millennial trial period.


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Your Millennial Kingdom View Isn’t in the Bible

The idea that all of humanity will be resurrected into Christ’s Kingdom for a chance to learn, grow, and eventually choose is nowhere in Scripture.

In Revelation 20:

The first resurrection is of the righteous—those who had already given their lives for Christ.

The rest of the dead are not raised until after the thousand years—for judgment, not education (Rev. 20:5, 11–15).

The Great White Throne judgment ends in eternal destruction, not a second opportunity.


There’s no mention of a “learning phase,” no “grace window,” and no “millennial discipleship camp” for the lost. You’re inserting ideas that the text doesn’t support.


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Don’t Call It Mercy If It Contradicts the Cross

You say it would be unmerciful for God to judge someone who never had a “real chance.” But Romans 1 tells us the entire world is without excuse:

> “What can be known about God is plain to them… so they are without excuse.” — Romans 1:19–20



God has revealed Himself through nature, conscience, and the witness of the Spirit. People aren't condemned for ignorance—they’re condemned for unbelief and rebellion.

> “They knew God but did not honor Him as God.” — Romans 1:21



You also quote the phrase “grow in grace and knowledge”—but that’s addressed to believers, not the damned (2 Peter 3:18). Growth in grace is a fruit of salvation, not a path toward it.


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The Real Cost of What You’re Teaching

Let me say this plainly, because the stakes are eternal:
Your teaching, whether you realize it or not, removes the urgency of repentance, dilutes the power of the cross, and sends people to hell with a false hope of future salvation.

If people believe what you’re saying, they’ll think:

“I can reject Christ now—I’ll get another shot later.”

“Hell isn’t real, or it’s just temporary.”

“This life isn’t my only chance.”


But none of that comes from Jesus. None of it comes from the apostles. And none of it will save a soul.


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⚔️ The Gospel Demands a Decision—Now

> “Today, if you hear His voice, do not harden your hearts.” — Hebrews 3:15



> “Repent and believe in the gospel.” — Mark 1:15



> “Strive to enter through the narrow door. For many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able.” — Luke 13:24



God’s mercy is real—but so is His wrath. He doesn’t owe anyone another chance after death. He’s given us the cross, the Spirit, the Scriptures, and preachers like Paul said in Romans 10.

There’s no higher mercy than that.


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Final Word

You said, “All will not be saved, but all will be given the opportunity.” I challenge you: where is that in Scripture—clearly, plainly, without speculation?

Because what I see is this:

> “Whoever does not believe is condemned already.” — John 3:18



> “If we sin willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a fearful expectation of judgment.” — Hebrews 10:26–27



I plead with you—don’t soften what God made sharp. The gospel is not a safety net after death. It is a sword that divides today.

May we tremble at His Word. May we preach it urgently. May we not be found guilty of giving false comfort in the face of eternal fire.
 

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Great to know hey. Glad you're enjoying Jesus's reign now. Many of us are looking forward to His future reign also.
The Lord Jesus Christ is reining now and forever more. Satan's reign ended on the cross of Calvary, the Lord bound Hi in great chains back then and He remains bound to this day.
He will be loosed for a short time, just before the Lord returns to destroy this world with fervent heat. The whole earth will melt away, in the white hot lava, then He will create a new perfect earth.

My suggestion is not to invest in this doomed world, place your stocks in the world to come. The new earth will be perfect and it will last for all eternity, Gods people will inherit the earth and glorified sinless, immortal bodies. We will also have the mind of Christ.

This world is not my home, Gods people are pilgrims travelling through this world, but it's not our eternal home. It's earmarked for total destruction and the unbelievers are like those who danced to the band on the sinking Titanic. They were blissfully unaware of the horrors that awaited them.
 

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Why did Jesus teach all the truths He did (beyond the scriptures and the bibles) if their puny little minds couldn't receive it. Just after He left Jesus sent the Spirit who would lead us into, not just what Jesus taught, but all truth. Remember, we have the mind of Christ when we possess the Spirit of Christ.

Whether that be truth or not, there is so much more of God's words He has been revealing way beyond the little documented in the bibles.

As an infant, they could say, all us babies could live off breast milk for the rest of our life. But we know eventually they will require solids.

You can stay with the scriptures if you wish but for me I am going to keep seeking and finding more words that proceeds from the mouth of God. New revelations of truths not recorded in the bibles are being given to the church. Love it!
Those things Jesus said off the record are not important or relevant to us. If they were important they would have been recorded for us.

You don't have the mind of Christ, because you haven't died yet, nor have you received a glorified sinless body. You remain in your body of sin and death, so you don't have the mind of Christ at all.

It sounds like you're still on the milk, and you're not even ready for solids, let alone extra biblical revelation. You remind me of those two brothers, who's mother asked Jesus if they could sit at His side in heaven. Jesus asked them if they were prepared to drink the cup He was to drink and they replied "we are", without even knowing what they getting themselves into.

I will stay with Gods Word, and you can keep listening to those Demonic voices. Gods Word tells me that there in nothing new under the sun, but you insist He doesn't mean what He said, so with all due respect I must reject your suggestions and consider you to be under strong delusion.
 

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No need to worry about it, apparently you won't be involved.






And it's AFTER all that, He reigns 1000 Years over the earth and His faithful will reign with Him in glorified bodies like He has now.






You're very confused.

It's been over 2000 years since Jesus was here so that's been more than a millennial and you know a millennial is 1000 years and no, the devil has not been locked up all this time seeing all the evil going on in the world, not to mention Hebrews 2:8 tells us Jesus has not assumed absolute control over the earth yet

We see in the Book of Hebrews that Jesus has not assumed full control over this world yet:

Hebrews 2:8
Thou hast put all things in subjection under His feet. for in that
He put all in subjection under Him, He left nothing that is not put
under Him. But now we see not yet all things put under Him

And, we also see that the devil is called the god of this world which
will not change until Jesus returns to start His 1000 year reign and
throws the devil and his demons in to hell.

2 Corinthians 4:4
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which
believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who
is the image of God, should shine unto them.

And we see that the last enemy put under foot is death which has not happened as of yet.

1 Corinthians 15:26
The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
Wow, your theology is so twisted and messed up that it's harder to follow than a Hickock novel.

How did you arrive at the conclusion, that a millennium must mean a thousand years?, while God says that a millennium is as one day. Confusion always results when you guys pluck verses out of their intended context and apply them to unrelated passages.

Your theology is like a house of cards, it quickly falls over when we apply the whole counsel of God to it. Scripture interprets scripture, the whole of scripture must line up perfectly and never contradict itself. According to you, the Bible is full of contradictions so you have to cherry pick it to create a patchwork type of theology.

You have obviously confused the Kingdom of this world and the Christs Spiritual Kingdom. He didn't come as a Man of war the first time, He didn't come to judge but to save His people so His Kingdom is not of this world. But He is coming back to take the kingdoms of this world by force and conquer the earth.
So then He will have conquered the powers of darkness in the spiritual realm (which He did on the cross) and conquer the earth as well and that then will be a complete victory.

I considered sharing a link to some useful "eschatological" material, but I get the sense that you're not willing to consider the possibility that you may be mistaken. If you are willing to consider the possibility, I'll happily share the link
 

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Those things Jesus said off the record are not important or relevant to us.
Did Jesus tell the scribes what was on the record and what wasn't? If he didn't, who told you this?
If they were important they would have been recorded for us.
How did you come to this conclusion? Nothing in the scriptures says this. It is purely an assumption made by someone and became accepted over time.
You don't have the mind of Christ, because you haven't died yet, nor have you received a glorified sinless body. You remain in your body of sin and death, so you don't have the mind of Christ at all.
I have the Spirit of Christ Who has the mind of Christ. He downloads it into me. This is awesome. Love it!
It sounds like you're still on the milk, and you're not even ready for solids, let alone extra biblical revelation.
I don't get to choose what bits of Christ's mind His Spirit transfers into me. That's up to Him. I just accept it and thank Him.
You remind me of those two brothers, who's mother asked Jesus if they could sit at His side in heaven. Jesus asked them if they were prepared to drink the cup He was to drink and they replied "we are", without even knowing what they getting themselves into.
I'm definitely not either of them. I am me, a unique chosen member of Christ's body.
I will stay with Gods Word,
Great, we can keep encouraging eachother and others to stay with every word of God to us.
and you can keep listening to those Demonic voices.
To be honest, I have no time or interest in Satan and what he and his angels have to say.
Gods Word tells me that there in nothing new under the sun
When did He tell you this, at what particular time? Solomon came to this conclusion 3000 years ago. Yet many new things happened after that. The most significant being the arrival of the Messiah.The coming of the Holy Spirit. The new covenant. The coming of the New Jerusalem. And the list goes on.
, but you insist He doesn't mean what He said, so with all due respect I must reject your suggestions and consider you to be under strong delusion.
That's up to you. I have no intention or interest in trying to force you to believe what I do. That's the work of the Divine Spirit to get YOU to believe what He wants you to believe. And it's up to God to send strong delusion so that people believe a lie. That's way beyond my pay grade.
 
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Did Jesus tell the scribes what was on the record and what wasn't? If he didn't, who told you this?

How did you come to this conclusion? Nothing in the scriptures says this. It is purely an assumption made by someone and became accepted over time.

I have the Spirit of Christ Who has the mind of Christ. He downloads it into me. This is awesome. Love it!

I don't get to choose what bits of Christ's mind His Spirit transfers into me. That's up to Him. I just accept it and thank Him.

I'm definitely not either of them. I am me, a unique chosen member of Christ's body.

Great, we can keep encouraging eachother and others to stay with every word of God to us.

To be honest, I have no time or interest in Satan and what he and his angels have to say.

When did He tell you this, at what particular time? Solomon came to this conclusion 3000 years ago. Yet many new things happened after that. The most significant being the arrival of the Messiah.The coming of the Holy Spirit. The new covenant. The coming of the New Jerusalem. And the list goes on.

That's up to you. I have no intention or interest in trying to force you to believe what I do. That's the work of the Divine Spirit to get YOU to believe what He wants you to believe. And it's up to God to send strong delusion so that people believe a lie. That's way beyond my pay grade.
You should do a study to learn about how the Bible was written. It's not a complicated study, you should be able get through it in one afternoon. But to sum it up for you,, Jesus didn't hang out with the scribes, telling them what to write. Most of the books in the new testament were written many decades after Christ ascended to heaven.

The Bible doesn't need to sate the obvious, as Gods people are quite intelligent so we don't need everything spelt out us like little children. Christ only had His people record those things He wanted His people to know, the rest doesn't matter at all. I don't care about the conversations Jesus had with His customers about renovating their house, being a (Carpenter).

You seem to have this futile obsession with the (occult) in other words the (hidden things). I have no interest in anything Jesus said off the record, I don't need to know what He said about the weather on some particular day. You don't even know what He said on record but you want to know about those insignificant things He said off the record, that's really weird.

I doubt that you have the Spirit of Christ, I believe you are self deluded. Some of the doctrines you hold to are biblically correct, but others are radically opposed to what the bible teaches.

You should be concerned about what Satan and His Demons are saying and teaching. If you don't know your enemy, then give Him an upper hand and a foothold in your life.

Don't dismiss Gods Word, just because it 3000 years old. His Word is eternal, all powerful and infallible. It's just as relevant to us today as it was to ancient Israel,

Ecclesiastes 1:9 That which has been is what will be, That which is done is what will be done, And there is nothing new under the sun.

I see you keep assuming Gods place and speaking as if you're on His throne. Let me remind you that He sees the whole of time, from the beginning of time to the end of time in the present. You can only see the present and remember a little bit of your past.

To you, everything is new, but to God everything is as it has always been. Please do a study on Theology, try to learn what has revealed about Himself, you'll find He is nothing like you at all. His ways are infinitely higher than yours.





 

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Get away from me you who work iniquity( practice a sin) i must confess i never even knew you. Even though out of love for him they did powerful works and the such, thus obviously believed in him, but not correctly.

There seems to be a contradiction in this sentence...

You can't love God without being known by Him.

'I never knew you' then, would indicate no relationship and therefore no love.

Works that survive the fire are motivated by Him not us. This then is coming out of relationship i.e. God in us.
 

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There seems to be a contradiction in this sentence...

You can't love God without being known by Him.

'I never knew you' then, would indicate no relationship and therefore no love.

Works that survive the fire are motivated by Him not us. This then is coming out of relationship i.e. God in us.
Exactly. Being born again is essential but JWs do not believe that either.
JWS constantly throw Matt 7 around while disregarding context as usual. False prophets who don't know the Lord Jesus... notice-

15Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. 16You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes, nor figs from thistles, are they? 17So every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit. 18A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20So then, you will know them by their fruits. 21“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. 22Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ 23And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; LEAVE ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.
 

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There seems to be a contradiction in this sentence...

You can't love God without being known by Him.

'I never knew you' then, would indicate no relationship and therefore no love.

Works that survive the fire are motivated by Him not us. This then is coming out of relationship i.e. God in us.
Those words from Jesus at Matt 7:21-23 = judgement. They may have a form of love but not the correct love.
 

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Those words from Jesus at Matt 7:21-23 = judgement. They may have a form of love but not the correct love.

Yet Scripture says...

Luke 6:32
“If you love those who love you, what benefit is that to you? For even sinners love those who love them.

... and the Greek text uses the word 'Agape' which usually indicates God's Love.

My take is that Love must be coupled with obedience and surrender to produce eternal fruit.

There are 'players' in the Christian scene - some are found out, some are not.

All will be on that day.
 
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Christ Died for All

Yes.

A Gift bought, paid for, BY CHRIST JESUS…

FOR ALL men, offered TO ALL men…

However… a Gift Offered…IS NOT a Gift Received… UNTIL a man Willingly TAKES the Gift, bought and paid for….For the man.

Any man who Rejects TAKING his Gift,
Does NOT have / possess his Gift.

A mans Failure to TAKE / Have / Posses his Gift BEFORE bodily Death, MAY / MIGHT, Never Receive the Gift Offered to him.


Glory to God,
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