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at and in the beginning is or should be a good place to start - so does anyone know or care to state what the Christian doctrine of Creation is - winc
 

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Hebrews 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
 

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Hebrews 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

so what's wrong with starting at the beginning about the beginning viz that "in the beginning,in an instant on each of 6X24hr days out of nothing God created everything very good[complete]"= no millions of years of evolution,including theistic evolution,necessary or possible - winc
 

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so what's wrong with starting at the beginning about the beginning viz that "in the beginning,in an instant on each of 6X24hr days out of nothing God created everything very good[complete]"= no millions of years of evolution,including theistic evolution,necessary or possible - winc

ok.

In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.
(Gen 1:1)
 

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I can only teach what the word teaches us and it is not the in the tradition of man through these churches taught us because that was a deception of Gods word, they manipulated Gods word by adding and taking away from it through there teaching, why have people excepted this for so many generation I can say the pass generation was not as educated back than some did not know how to read, others were not allowed to read so Satan could easy lie to them. Once they learn what they thought was the truth because who would want to lie about Gods word and have God punish them for that, it was those that did not care about the punishment because nothing God could do them could hurt them anymore that they are hurt already. Because those that were lying to us all this time were the fallen Angels that Satan caused to take over these churches and temples places the he knew that he could deceive Gods children.

But this is no excuse today for this because people can read and God has sent His Pastors that He said were going to be after His own heart not those that are in these churches lying to Gods children God has called those that belong to Him out of them, so a true Christian could not even be in them listening to there lies.



Revelation 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

This is something they are going to really have to understand that God is not in these places because God said He passed and heard there devotion and on the altar was a sign saying "to an unknown God" He was telling us than they are not teaching about Him.

Acts 17:23 For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you.



Ecclesiastes 5:1 Keep thy foot when thou goest to the house of God, and be more ready to hear, than to give the sacrifice of fools: for they consider not that they do evil.


These people are not who they think that they are but when they find this out it will be to late the will be lead straight to the Anti Christ before many find out that who they was listening to was the fallen Angels that were taking over these people to get Satan job done and this was to deceive Gods children though the churches deceiving Gods children in the word of God. This is why we have been lied to from the Genesis to Revelation and they are stilling lying to us about this if you do not know where you came from how do they expect to tell you where you are going if they lied to us in the first pages of the Bible. But God has told us He did not send them to teach us that are in these churches.
Jeremiah 23:21 I have not sent these prophets, yet they ran: I have not spoken to them, yet they prophesied.

Jeremiah 23:21 I have not sent these prophets, yet they ran: I have not spoken to them, yet they prophesied.



But the Bible teaches us that God preformed two acts concerning the bringing forth of mankind. In
Genesis 1:27 So God created man [spirit man] in his own image,[spirit] in the image of God [God is Spirit and so is the spirit man] created he him; [the spirit man in male in gender] male and female created he them.

 

God did not create female spirit in heaven because God didn't have a use for them than, all of Gods children were male is gender, called the sons of God. God did not need anything born in the spirit realm anything concerning the spirit realm God created. But this second earth age was going to be in the flesh bodies this is when God needed the female to use as a transportation vehicle of sorts to get His children from heaven down to earth, and from then on she word be the vehicle to move all of His children from heaven to earth.

 

So when God was Creating the Gentile Nations, the word Gentile simply means all of the races OTHER than the Jewish race. I love this definition because not only does it tell us that God Created the Gentiles Nations first because the definition says OTHER THAN the Jewish race. It also tells that they lied to us up front because they deny this ever happened they called this first act of God a [prefix] to Genesis 2:7when God formed the man Adam which was formed by himself until God formed Eve. So after God Created all of the Gentile Nations God gave them a job to do in
Genesis 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

There is one thing that God will do His word will never return unto Him void this is the way you check anybody in Gods word because if He did it He will bring it to pass in His scripture which is His word, and when God finished the Creation of the Gentile Nations meaning all of the races OTHER than the Jewish race he sealed His word by saying it is written in the scripture in
Act 17:26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;

All of the Gentile Nations and the two Jewish people called Adam and Eve all spoke one language.
Genesis 11:1 And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech.

Than God looked and it was good
Genesis 1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

Than on the seventh "day" God rested this one day of rest was a thousand years before God even put his hand to forming the man Adam.
Genesis 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

 

This is something that you have to understand when you say the word ADAM you are saying one of two things MANKIND or MAN. God called both of the Creation and the Formation of mankind Adam because God wanted us to understand that there was no difference in the makeup of there bodies both the Gentiles and the Jewish people were all made up of Body, mind, spirit and soul this is the ADAM in both of them. The difference came in to play is how God brought them into existence and what their jobs was going to be. God said all things that have been kept secret will come to knowledge because God knew that the churches was being taken over by the fallen Angels this is what the temptation of Christ was all about but they did not teach us this either because it they would have they would have been exposing them selves.

 

But the Temptation of Christ was not Satan trying to see if he could get Christ confused in the word because Satan knew that Christ was the word make flesh. What Satan was actually doing is was showing Christ what he was about to do to Gods word and how he was going to use Gods word against His own children and they will not even realized that they were getting deceive in the thing that they trust the most. Satan was about to cause another reflux of his fallen Angels, and this time Satan was going to send them into the churches to deceive God children through the teaching of Gods word, by adding and taking away from Gods word while they were teaching it.

 

This is just what they done to the creation of God the added the word [Prefix] to the teaching of mankind and took out the first act of God concerning the bringing forth of the Gentile Nations all of the races of the world OTHER than the Jewish race. Which was the only race they taught us about and said that all of us came from them. When God says His law of Nature is that every seed has it's own body kind after kind.
1Corinthians 15:38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.

 
If God chose to put two Nations in one womb to bring forth what He did to get down He can do this a well because He is God all by Himself. But for men and women to call themselves representatives of God and to lie on God is totally not from God this is how you know that you are not dealing with people that they think that they are, the are there because Satan planted them there to deceive us through Gods word.

 

God lets see what the Temptation of Christ was really about and what Christ really was showing us that cause Him to write in the back of the Bible a warning for anyone that will do this they will get.

This is the verses that Satan quoted Christ at the temptation of Christ and this is what the fallen angels are still doing today while they are teaching Gods word to you in these churches.

Luke 4:9 And he [Satan] brought him[Christ] to Jerusalem, and set him on a pinnacle of the temple, and said [Satan speaking] unto him,[to Christ] If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down from hence:

 

Satan quoted this one next to Christ......
Luke 4:10 For it is written, He shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee

In this verse Satan also used the words "for it is written" meaning this is based on facts of the bible! Which it was not because he left out the words

[in all thy ways]...................This is what was [taking away] from the word of God!

 This is what the word really say............Psalms 91:11 For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways.

 Satan than quoted another verse to Christ.....
Luke 4:11 And in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.............................Satan added the words [And in their hands] and [at any time].................this is and example of adding to the word of God.


This is what the word really says..............
Psalms 91:12 They shall bear thee up in their hands, lest thou dash thy foot against a stone.

 

This was so serious that Christ wrote in the back of the Bible if anyone would do this they would receive this punishment.
Revelation 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. Those that will teach this by copying off what they have learned will hear Christ say get away from me I never knew you and they will go to the same holding cell as those that are not saved as well as those that have gotten deceive by the false Christ because they ran to him thinking it was Christ when it was Satan acting like Christ returned to Rapture them away, because God said since they want to believe that lie He will send them a great delusion, and it will be Satan acting like he is Christ returned.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 
 

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at and in the beginning is or should be a good place to start - so does anyone know or care to state what the Christian doctrine of Creation is - winc

The Christian doctrine of creation is actually the Hebrew doctrine of creation as recorded in Genesis. The details are skimpy.

But your question was about "beginning" so here is what i think

"beginning" denotes "time" and maybe "time" was the first "thing" the creator created ..... He himself lives in eternity ..... which of course is a place without "time" as we know it.

I find it interesting that our universe is "constructed" on three things according to advanced physics.

Albert Einstein determined that they are ..... - space - time - matter

They are indicated in the very first sentence in the Hebrew record of creation

In the beginning (time)
God created the heavens (space)
And the earth (matter)
 

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my opinion-until day 4 there was no 24 hr. days so it could read 300000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000004 days even after day 4 it could go either way but for sure when adam fell we can be sure of the days since the fall 6012 :p :p
 
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When starting at the beginning, don't skip the first two verses of Genesis. We need to be clear about what the Bible does say and about what it does NOT say. And when we fill in the blanks of what it does not say, this is not the word of God but our human speculations.
http://textsincontext.wordpress.com/2012/05/03/in-the-beginning/
 

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Then, what does the Hebrew phrase tohuw va bohuw ("without form, and void" per the KJV translators) really mean in the 2nd verse about the earth? See a Strong's Exhaustive Concordance.
 

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I believe the second verse occurs long after the first verse. This is known as the gap theory to some.
God created the heaven and the earth in vs 1, and then the earth 'was' void in vs 2. There is no word
for 'was' in Hebrew, its better translated as 'had been', 'had become', or 'became' void and without form.
In other words, the earth created in Genesis 1:1 had long existed prior to God reforming it in Gen 1:2.
God does not created anything void or without purpose (Isaiah 45:18), the earth that existed in the
first verse of Genesis perished and became void (bohuw) empty and ruined. God then established it
anew and the rest of the chapter is describing the process.
 

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If E=mc[sup]2[/sup] so m = E/c[sup]2[/sup].... I think it all came together with light and energy... Otherwise Einsteins theory is in error. God has no problem changing the material form of energy and light to his liking.


The energy and light are the spiritual, mental, and material motivation behind it all. Motivation? That's what we are talking about... Is... Motivation!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aiy1Zp_AUXA
 

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I believe the second verse occurs long after the first verse. This is known as the gap theory to some.
God created the heaven and the earth in vs 1, and then the earth 'was' void in vs 2. There is no word
for 'was' in Hebrew, its better translated as 'had been', 'had become', or 'became' void and without form.
In other words, the earth created in Genesis 1:1 had long existed prior to God reforming it in Gen 1:2.
God does not created anything void or without purpose (Isaiah 45:18), the earth that existed in the
first verse of Genesis perished and became void (bohuw) empty and ruined. God then established it
anew and the rest of the chapter is describing the process.

That's what the Hebrew of Gen.1:2 actually reveals. The KJV translation does not, nor do later English translations.

The Gen.1:2 phrase "without form" is the Hebrew word 'tohuw', which means 'to lie waste, a desolation (of surface), i.e., desert' (Strong's no. 8414).

That's right about Isaiah 45:18 where Hebrew 'tohuw' is translated as "in vain" there, with God saying He did NOT create the earth 'tohuw' ("in vain").

God created a perfect creation at Gen.1:1, before Satan rebelled against Him. Satan's rebellion caused the earth to be laid waste, which is its state at Gen.1:2.


So is that "Christian Doctrine" per the New Testament Scriptures? Yes, most definitely, because Apostle Paul covered the matter in Romans 8 specifically. He just didn't put it into words the false prophets could understand. That's why many Christian brethren don't understand Paul about it either, because they'd rather listen to 'doctrines of men' instead; bits and fragments of the Truth is all they really want, otherwise they would spend more time getting into God's Word for theirself instead of regurgitating some 'pop' doctrine they heard and didn't verify.
 

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Exodus 20:11 says that God created everything in 6 days and rested on the 7th day. We should never look at the world thru scientific glasses, but we should look at the world thru Biblical glasses. 1 Tim 6:20 talks about a false Science about to come--guess what, it's here. Evolution has zero credibility. Zero. There is absolutely no observational science that can confirm evolution. Which is why they had to come up with theoretical physics (science fiction).
 
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at and in the beginning is or should be a good place to start - so does anyone know or care to state what the Christian doctrine of Creation is - winc

God created a mature heavens and earth approximately six thousand years ago. A day to the Lord is a thousand years so He is about to stop His creating and rest.
 

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Exodus 20:11 says that God created everything in 6 days and rested on the 7th day. We should never look at the world thru scientific glasses, but we should look at the world thru Biblical glasses. 1 Tim 6:20 talks about a false Science about to come--guess what, it's here. Evolution has zero credibility. Zero. There is absolutely no observational science that can confirm evolution. Which is why they had to come up with theoretical physics (science fiction).

We should never look at the world through science? What do you think the word science means, 'non-fact'?

True science will ALWAYS agree with God's Word, and visa versa. Problem is most don't understand the difference between 'true science' and 'pseudo-science'. Evolution theory is 'pseudo-science'. God's creation is 'true science'.

Just as there's false worship, the same kind of thing has been going on within the scientific community.

We would never say there's no such thing as 'true worship' would we?
 
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We should never look at the world through science? What do you think the word science means, 'non-fact'?

True science will ALWAYS agree with God's Word, and visa versa. Problem is most don't understand the difference between 'true science' and 'pseudo-science'. Evolution theory is 'pseudo-science'. God's creation is 'true science'.

Just as there's false worship, the same kind of thing has been going on within the scientific community.

We would never say there's no such thing as 'true worship' would we?

do you actually believe that the sun and the moon exist within the firmament?

Gen 1 3-5 God said, Let there be light: and here was light. This was the first day.
Was this light supplied by the sun? The sun and moon were not set in place until the fourth day. We know that without the sun, the earth would be a frozen planet, not one of water, but ice.
Gen 1 6-8 And God separated the waters from above and below and the space in between was called
heaven. The waters above must be the clouds (where our rain comes from). Does that mean that
“heaven”, our spiritual eternal domain, and dwelling place of God is the expanse between the surface
of the seas and the clouds in the sky? It is my belief that Moses’ description of the sun and the moon was inhibited by his primitive mortal knowledge of those bodies. The waters above can “only” exist within the earth’s atmosphere, not millions of miles above it where the sun exists. Only a short phrase was mentioned of the stars. Moses did not know the size, nor the distance from earth of them. To him and all others they were merely balls of light that appeared to be located in the heavens which he had already described as the firmament between the waters below and the waters above. His explanation to their origin could only be explained as a creation of god, with vauge details as to how or where.
Gen 1 26 And God said, Let “us” make man in “our” image, after “our” likeness
 

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Since you failed to separate your paragraphs I did it for you below...

do you actually believe that the sun and the moon exist within the firmament?

Gen 1 3-5 God said, Let there be light: and here was light. This was the first day.

Was this light supplied by the sun? The sun and moon were not set in place until the fourth day. We know that without the sun, the earth would be a frozen planet, not one of water, but ice.

You're basing the event of God's original first perfect creation of Gen.1:1 on the later events of Gen.1:2 forward, when the Gen.1:2 description is about the whole earth having been destroyed by those waters upon it. So did that destruction at Gen.1:2 cause what science hints to with an ice age? Yes. That's why prior to that there was tropcial life at the earth's Poles, as the fossil evidence at the Poles reveals. Not only is this major earth change revealed at the earth's Poles, it's revealed in the deserts of the earth also, like with the Putrified Forest fossil remains from a previous tropical climate there too. It's also revealed that there was a trembling of the earth at that time like Jeremiah 4 says God did, which would account for the 90 mile error between true magnetic north and true geographical north.


Gen 1 6-8 And God separated the waters from above and below and the space in between was called
heaven.

The waters above must be the clouds (where our rain comes from). Does that mean that
“heaven”, our spiritual eternal domain, and dwelling place of God is the expanse between the surface
of the seas and the clouds in the sky? It is my belief that Moses’ description of the sun and the moon was inhibited by his primitive mortal knowledge of those bodies. The waters above can “only” exist within the earth’s atmosphere, not millions of miles above it where the sun exists. Only a short phrase was mentioned of the stars. Moses did not know the size, nor the distance from earth of them. To him and all others they were merely balls of light that appeared to be located in the heavens which he had already described as the firmament between the waters below and the waters above. His explanation to their origin could only be explained as a creation of god, with vauge details as to how or where.
Gen 1 26 And God said, Let “us” make man in “our” image, after “our” likeness

The Gen.1:6-9 verses is about the earth completely covered by those waters of Gen.1:2, and then with God taking only some of those waters up off the earth and putting them in the sky ("firmament") to form the atmospheric layer around today's earth. Part of the waters were taken up, the rest left covering the earth still. Then God took the waters left upon the earth and moved them around to uncover "the dry land" (Hebrew 'yabbashah') underneath those waters. The earth had been there since His original creation at Gen.1:1.

The discovery of frozen wooly mammoth buried under the ice in the Arctic areas still with undigested plant vegetation in their stomachs and in their mouths shows what? Modern science can't explain it, evolutionary science can't explain it. Yet God's Word explains it, right there in Genesis 1. The wooly mammoths were caught grazing on vegetation in an open field and then were instantly frozen with waters covering them and turning to ice, as they were caught in the very act of grazing. The movie The Day After Tomorrow tried to explain it with man's ideas of global warming, but that was only to get us away from the picture that God's Word paints about it in Genesis 1:2 and Jeremiah 4:23-28.

In 2 Peter 3, Peter covers the topic of 3 distinct earth ages. The "world that then was" was the time of God's original first perfect creation of the earth, the time of the dinosaurs and those wooly mammoth, and tropic vegetation at the Poles and even in the areas of the earth today that are now desert lands. That was not the time prior to Noah's flood back to Adam. It was the time prior to Adam's forming and prior to the destruction at Gen.1:2 and Jer.4:23-28.

With "the heavens and the earth, which are now" Peter declared, that is the period from Gen.1:2 all the way up to today, as it is kept in store to be destroyed by God's consuming fire in our future. The reason why the days of Adam to Noah (antideluvian period) is included in this 2nd earth age period is because God did not literally destroy all things off the earth like He did at Gen.1:2, and will do with His future consuming fire.

Then the final 3rd earth age Peter declared is the "new heavens and a new earth". That will begin once God's final Judgment Day is complete with the "lake of fire" event.
 

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veteran, your math doesnt add up. you are trying to integrate the time that the dinasaurs and the wooly mammoth lived ( !00s of thousands of years ago) with biblical times of creation. its agreed upon by ALL theologians that the date of adam,s creation was app. 4000bc. animals were created one day before that (24hrs or 1000 years) whichever way you perceive it, still dont add up.