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I have never considered Christians as losers Rob. I guess that if God doesn't exist, and we do not receive our reward, we could be losers. But when you really think about it, living the faith gives us the best, happiest life possible don't you think? So even if we do not receive the gift of everlasting life, I still think we have the winning hand.
Christians of God are not losers.

In order to justify OSAS, they must invent Christians 'losers', which is those who do not run lawfully or and do not finish the race, but still remain saved in the resurrection.

They get a lesser reward, like lesser children of God. Instead of reigning with Him forever, they must only serve Him forever, as though serving God is some sort of life-sentence of the guilty.
 
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Christians of God are not losers.

In order to justify OSAS, they must invent Christians 'losers', which is those who do not run lawfully or and do not finish the race, but still remain saved in the resurrection.

They get a lesser reward, like lesser children of God. Instead of reigning with Him forever, they must only serve Him forever, as though serving gpod is some sort of life-sentence of the guilty.
They who? Those who believe in OSAS? You are making a generalization here, and I don't believe it is correct or appropriate.

OSAS includes the idea that though none of us may cease entirely from sin in this lifetime, that even so, the grace of God is sufficient to save.

My understanding is that some may appear more sanctificed to someone else than others. You may see yourself as being more sanctified than me, or not, but I think some do in fact look at other people that way, thinking, "They aren't sinless enough to really be saved", or something like that.

I find such comparisons foolish and ignorant. And to justify one's self as though to say, "Well! I've put down all my sin, so I'm OK now!", I find it equally foolish and ignorant.

Have you had the experience of thinking early in the Christian life that God was making great work dealing with sins, only to find, years later, that there were depths of sin of which you had no idea in those early days? I feel like the sins of youthfulness, though more obvious, to be less offensive to me than the sins of pride and distrust and covetousness. Might it be possible there are yet sins in my life which the Holy Spirit has not given me that revelation yet? I'd be foolish to rule it out.

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They who? Those who believe in OSAS? You are making a generalization here, and I don't believe it is correct or appropriate.

OSAS includes the idea that though none of us may cease entirely from sin in this lifetime, that even so, the grace of God is sufficient to save.

My understanding is that some may appear more sanctificed to someone else than others. You may see yourself as being more sanctified than me, or not, but I think some do in fact look at other people that way, thinking, "They aren't sinless enough to really be saved", or something like that.

I find such comparisons foolish and ignorant. And to justify one's self as though to say, "Well! I've put down all my sin, so I'm OK now!", I find it equally foolish and ignorant.

Have you had the experience of thinking early in the Christian life that God was making great work dealing with sins, only to find, years later, that there were depths of sin of which you had no idea in those early days? I feel like the sins of youthfulness, though more obvious, to be less offensive to me than the sins of pride and distrust and covetousness. Might it be possible there are yet sins in my life which the Holy Spirit has not given me that revelation yet? I'd be foolish to rule it out.

Much love!
They who? Those who believe in OSAS? You are making a generalization here, and I don't believe it is correct or appropriate.

"There is no consolation prize for them that disobey Him."

Who is the one that does not disobey God?

'They' would be you and the one I got this loser doctrine from.

OSAS includes the idea that though none of us may cease entirely from sin in this lifetime, that even so, the grace of God is sufficient to save.

None of you will ever cease from your sins, and there is no maybe about it. You teach it, depend upon it, and 'celebrate' grace for it.

The OSAS 'idea' is true and perfectly used here. An idea of sinners, not truth of God.

This is a perfect example of Christian Idealism: Hearers that agree Scripture is the Word of God, but do not obey the Word as God.

You read Scripture only as a high ideal, not as commandment to obey as written.

The gospel is laudable and lofty, but unattainable in this life.

You are Christians idealists, and will never be Christian elect saints, until you begin to read Scripture with the heart to obey it as written.

And so, you place your trust in a faith only salvation, and your hope is for a loser resurrection.
 

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Who is the one that does not disobey God?

'They' would be you and the one I got this loser doctrine from.
So then, to be clear, not you, because you are the sinless man? That's the take-away point here?

Much love!
 

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I am learning that man is at his craftiest when trying to justify himself with God, and excuse himself from the righteous judgment of God.

OSAS has come up with eternal rewards for Christian 'losers'.

There is only going on to perfection in running that race by looking to the author & finisher of our faith to help us lay aside every weight & sin daily to abide in Him as His disciples to bear fruit and that our joy may be full. Hebrews 12:1-2 Or else the consequence for not abiding in him is to be excommunicated from the Marriage Supper in Heaven by being left behind into the bed of the great tribulation.

Like the title of the movie, "Children of a Lesser God", this is a teaching of OSAS, that those who fall short of finishing the race of eternal life by disobedience to God, will not obtain the crown of righteousness, but will go through great tribulation and then be resurrected with the church: not as a resurrected saint reigning with Him, but only as an 'eternal underling' to serve Him.

Aside from the fact that all Christians go through tribulation to be purified and justified of God, there is no such thing as Christian 'losers' of the race, that refused to obey and serve God in this life, being forced into some kind of 'also ran' servitude to God for eternity.

This whole lunacy of forcing God to preserve and resurrect the rebellious 'believers', because of unconditional grace, is like Him being stuck with gum on His shoes for eternity.

There is no consolation prize for them that disobey Him.

Really? because after the 1000 years are complete... not even Jesus himself reigns! Pay attention to scripture dude... What? You actually think revelations teaches the end of all? No my friend... Paul did this many many years before John put ink to his Revelations! Silly child!!!

1Co 15:25 For He (Jesus) must reign until He has put all His enemies under His feet. 26 The last enemy that will be abolished is death. 27 For HE HAS PUT ALL THINGS IN SUBJECTION UNDER HIS FEET. But when He says, "All things are put in subjection," it is evident that He is excepted who put all things in subjection to Him. 28 When all things are subjected to Him, then the Son (Jesus)Himself also will be subjected to the One (God)who subjected all things to Him, so that God may be all in all.

Yep, Jesus... will be subjected to HIS GOD... when the 1000 years are complete... like scripture teaches!
Act 2:22 "Men of Israel, listen to these words: Jesus the Nazarene, a man attested to you by God with miracles and wonders and signs which God performed through Him in your midst, just as you yourselves know--

The God whom gave Jesus His revelations... Johns first line in Revelations... Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him

John taught you more that his last book of Revelations... Joh 8:40 "But as it is, you are seeking to kill Me, a man (Jesus) who has told you the truth, which I heard from God; this Abraham did not do.

You have no clue about anything you are talking about....

NASB Act 13:48 When the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord; and as many as had been appointed to eternal life ( 1000 year reign) believed.

NASB 2 Th 2:13 But we should always give thanks to God for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God has chosen you from the beginning for salvation ( 1000 year reign) through sanctification by the Spirit and faith in the truth.



Study harder,
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It is Christ's righteousness that saves us, not ours. Of course we are to be obedient and that is to love one another.
There are different levels of faith allotted by God. And there are those who are in the beginning of their walk who are immature spiritually and then those who have matured over a lifetime.
God has prepared works for us to do, He works through us and we cooperate.
When we truly repent (turn to God) _ in godly sorrow _ acknowledging and sorry for our sins _ in need of mercy and forgiveness and believe that Jesus died for our sins and rose on the third day, we are saved AND SEALED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT.
Jesus said if you believe in Me you will have life. That is a promise He does not reneg on. He doesn't give the gift of faith and then take it away. It is a done deal. He is the AUTHOR OF OUR FAITH BY HIS GRACE AND HIS MERCY WHILE WE WERE YET SINNERS. It is not contingent on our works. All that is good that comes out of us is from Him. He gets the credit.
This OP reminds me of
Luke 18:11-14.
Hypocrites in heaven? We are all purified spirits who when we die leave all remnants of sin in our flesh behind. OSAS IS Jesus' promise. Shall I list all the scriptures?
He has mercy and also desires that we have mercy and forgive others and that we should not judge. We have no idea what God has prepared for any individual, nor when they will be saved. It could be when they are in their last years or days, like it was for both of my parents.
 
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Christians of God are not losers.

In order to justify OSAS, they must invent Christians 'losers', which is those who do not run lawfully or and do not finish the race, but still remain saved in the resurrection.

They get a lesser reward, like lesser children of God. Instead of reigning with Him forever, they must only serve Him forever, as though serving gpod is some sort of life-sentence of the guilty.

Lesser reward sir? Perhaps. Among mankind 144k were bought by Jesus blood to serve as Kings and Priests in the Kingdom of God. Are those with this privilege greater? Again perhaps. You do understand they have to serve, correct? While I would accept the position if I were called, I am so very glad I have not been chosen. I am not saying they will not be ecstatic in their position, but God promises that He will open His hand and satisfy the desires of every living thing. Humans were made to be happy right here on earth, therefore our natural desire is here. So having the status of King does not appeal to me.

Remember the gift that God gives is everlasting life, true, those who go to heaven are immortal, which puzzles me to say the least, but that is the gift that God gives Rob. They become immortal upon their resurrection.

I don't quite understand comment about those not finishing the race but remain saved in the resurrection. All who did not sin against the holy spirit will be resurrected. True, this does include both the righteous as well as the unrighteous, but to us unrighteous means those who did not have the opportunity to learn about God during their life. Romans 6:7 points out that those who die are acquitted of sin. Those of us who are citizens of the Kingdom do not receive the gift of everlasting life however until we pass the test of satans release, when we do we too will come to life Rev 20:5, 7,8
 

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Really? because after the 1000 years are complete... not even Jesus himself reigns! Pay attention to scripture dude... What? You actually think revelations teaches the end of all? No my friend... Paul did this many many years before John put ink to his Revelations! Silly child!!!

1Co 15:25 For He (Jesus) must reign until He has put all His enemies under His feet. 26 The last enemy that will be abolished is death. 27 For HE HAS PUT ALL THINGS IN SUBJECTION UNDER HIS FEET. But when He says, "All things are put in subjection," it is evident that He is excepted who put all things in subjection to Him. 28 When all things are subjected to Him, then the Son (Jesus)Himself also will be subjected to the One (God)who subjected all things to Him, so that God may be all in all.

Yep, Jesus... will be subjected to HIS GOD... when the 1000 years are complete... like scripture teaches!
Act 2:22 "Men of Israel, listen to these words: Jesus the Nazarene, a man attested to you by God with miracles and wonders and signs which God performed through Him in your midst, just as you yourselves know--

The God whom gave Jesus His revelations... Johns first line in Revelations... Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him

John taught you more that his last book of Revelations... Joh 8:40 "But as it is, you are seeking to kill Me, a man (Jesus) who has told you the truth, which I heard from God; this Abraham did not do.

You have no clue about anything you are talking about....

NASB Act 13:48 When the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord; and as many as had been appointed to eternal life ( 1000 year reign) believed.

NASB 2 Th 2:13 But we should always give thanks to God for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God has chosen you from the beginning for salvation ( 1000 year reign) through sanctification by the Spirit and faith in the truth.



Study harder,
Paul
You have no clue about anything you are talking about....

One thing for certain, I have no clue what you are talking about, if it is to me.

Maybe you could try fewer words.

Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.

Or words in myriad colors, types, bolds, lines, etc...
 

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You have no clue about anything you are talking about....

One thing for certain, I have no clue what you are talking about, if it is to me.

Maybe you could try fewer words.

Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.

Or words in myriad colors, types, bolds, lines, etc...

What part of this verse did you not understand???

1Co 15:25 For He (Jesus) must reign until He has put all His enemies under His feet. 26 The last enemy that will be abolished is death. 27 For HE HAS PUT ALL THINGS IN SUBJECTION UNDER HIS FEET. But when He says, "All things are put in subjection," it is evident that He (Jesus) is excepted who put all things in subjection to Him. 28 When all things are subjected to Him, then the Son (Jesus) Himself also will be subjected to the One (God)who subjected all things to Him (Jesus), so that God may be all in all.

What part of reign until or will be subjected to the One did you not understand???

Robert...you actually think Revelations is the end of scripture??? Silly child... Paul sums it all up for you in 1Co15:25
Please stop whining when you get a biblical spanking and actually believe scripture instead of what your told in Church!

Paul
 

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What part of this verse did you not understand???

1Co 15:25 For He (Jesus) must reign until He has put all His enemies under His feet. 26 The last enemy that will be abolished is death. 27 For HE HAS PUT ALL THINGS IN SUBJECTION UNDER HIS FEET. But when He says, "All things are put in subjection," it is evident that He (Jesus) is excepted who put all things in subjection to Him. 28 When all things are subjected to Him, then the Son (Jesus) Himself also will be subjected to the One (God)who subjected all things to Him (Jesus), so that God may be all in all.

What part of reign until or will be subjected to the One did you not understand???

Robert...you actually think Revelations is the end of scripture??? Silly child... Paul sums it all up for you in 1Co15:25
Please stop whining when you get a biblical spanking and actually believe scripture instead of what your told in Church!

Paul
I'll rephrase.

How does this apply to argument at hand about Christian 'losers'.

And keep up the brass talk. I like it. I'll try to return the same if I disagree with you.
 

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I'll rephrase.

How does this apply to argument at hand about Christian 'losers'.

And keep up the brass talk. I like it. I'll try to return the same if I disagree with you.

Robert there are no losers! Christian or not!

Glad you see the brass talk... Many don't see that Jesus loved to brass talk! Jesus was the master of Brass talk...

In Hebrew grammar, the position of emphasis is usually the beginning of the clause. Unfortunately, our English translation of the Hebrew text does not always reveal this emphasis. So it should not be forgotten that Hebrew-unlike English-usually confronts the listener or reader immediately with a verbal form (often a transitive verb, but sometimes an intransitive or “stative” form) even before the subject itself is designated.
Laziness, inertia, or passivity were hardly marks of the Hebrews’ lifestyle. Rather, the Hebrews were mainly a doing and feeling people. Thus their language has few abstract terms. Rather, "Hebrew may be called primarily a language of the senses. The words originally express concrete or material things and movements or actions which struck the senses or started the emotions. Only secondary and in metaphor could they be used to denote abstract or metaphysical ideas."

The Bible contains many Hebraisms in which abstract thoughts or immaterial conceptions are conveyed through material or physical terminology. I can give a number of examples to illustrate this point: "look" is "lift up the eyes" (Gen. 22:4); "be angry" is "burned in one's nostrils" (Exod.4:14); "disclose something to another" or "reveal" is "unstopped someone's ears" (Ruth 4:4); "have no compassion" is "hard-heartedness" (1Sam.6:6); "stubborn" is "stiff-necked" (2 Chr.30:8;cf.Acts 7:51). In addition, the Hebrews often referred to God by use of anthropomorphisms (i.e., representation of God with human attributes). The "living" and "active" God of the Hebrews is thus never reduced to mere impersonal abstraction. For instance, the 10 Commandments are said to be "inscribed by the finger of God" (Exo.31:18). The prophet Isaiah states, "surely the arm of the Lord is not too short to save, nor his ear to dull to hear (Isa. 59:1).

Again, a well-known proverb states, "the eyes of the Lord are everywhere" (Prov.15:3). In the same vein, today's Church must not forget that the earliest theology in the New Testament is relational or existential rather than propositional or creedal.

The New Testament reflects this same visceral Hebraic perspective on human nature. A person may be lead with his heart (Rom. 10:10). One may refresh spiritually the bowels [heart]of other believers (Phlm. 7, 20). A person may come under the judgment of God when the Lord searches his kidneys [mind](Rev. 2:23). (Used e-Sword to review strong numbers in these verses.) Very suprising. These texts illustrate that for the New Testament authors passion was tied to their belief that human beings were "whole"; that is they considered one's physical, psychological, and spiritual functions to be one indivisible entity. Both Testaments affirm this perspective, as seen in the above passages. They describe a person's various mental, spiritual, and emotional reactions to stress by locating these reactions in the organs of the body were a person actually feels the effects of that stress. The Hebrews-both men and women-were able to affirm their full humanity. They gave vent unashamedly to their feelings, for each emotion had "a time" appropriate for its expression: being angry, crying, laughing, singing, feasting, dancing, handclapping, shouting, embracing, and loving (see Eccl. 3:1- 8).
The nature of Hebrew is to paint verbal pictures with broad strokes of the brush. Theirs was primarily a descriptive of what the eyes see rather than what the mind speculates. Let us consider several examples of this earthiness. The prophecy of Isaiah describes graphically the intended fate of the people of Jerusalem. Trapped in the year 701 B.C. by the powerful Assyrian army of Sennacherib, they are described as those who have to "eat their own filth and drink their own urine" (Isaiah 36:12). Though Jerusalem was miraculously spared this Assyrian attack (Isaiah 37;cf.2 Kgs. 19), more than a century later (586 B.C.) Babylon destroyed Jerusalem. Jeremiah was one of the leading prophets of the Southern Kingdom at the time. With the same candor as Isaiah, Jeremiah depicts sorrowfully the acts of cannibalism performed by his own people as Jerusalem was brought to the very brink of starvation: "with their own hands and passionate women have cooked their own children, who became their food when my people were destroyed" (Lam. 4:10; cf. Deut 28: 53-57). Against the background of their Babylonian exile God's people are described as sinful and unclean, who is "righteous acts are like filthy rags" (Isaiah 64:6).
However, the Hebrew for "filthy rags" is far more explicit, reflecting the Hebrews vivid, earthly style of expression. It is beged iddim, literally "garment of menstruation." In similarity graphic words, Jeremiah likens Israel's sexual excesses as Canaanite shrines to that of a female wild Donkey in heat: "[You are] a wild donkey accustomed to the desert, sniffing the wind in her craving-in her heat who can restrain her? Any males that pursue her need not to tire themselves; at mating time they will find her" (Jer. 2:24).

Such vivid biblical imagery reminds us that the Hebrew people live close to nature; they were not afraid to face head on those areas of life that people in the West world would normally either euphemistically or avoid discussing altogether.

Do you see many Christians that talk brass... I think not!!!
Paul
 

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Robert there are no losers! Christian or not!

Glad you see the brass talk... Many don't see that Jesus loved to brass talk! Jesus was the master of Brass talk...

In Hebrew grammar, the position of emphasis is usually the beginning of the clause. Unfortunately, our English translation of the Hebrew text does not always reveal this emphasis. So it should not be forgotten that Hebrew-unlike English-usually confronts the listener or reader immediately with a verbal form (often a transitive verb, but sometimes an intransitive or “stative” form) even before the subject itself is designated.
Laziness, inertia, or passivity were hardly marks of the Hebrews’ lifestyle. Rather, the Hebrews were mainly a doing and feeling people. Thus their language has few abstract terms. Rather, "Hebrew may be called primarily a language of the senses. The words originally express concrete or material things and movements or actions which struck the senses or started the emotions. Only secondary and in metaphor could they be used to denote abstract or metaphysical ideas."

The Bible contains many Hebraisms in which abstract thoughts or immaterial conceptions are conveyed through material or physical terminology. I can give a number of examples to illustrate this point: "look" is "lift up the eyes" (Gen. 22:4); "be angry" is "burned in one's nostrils" (Exod.4:14); "disclose something to another" or "reveal" is "unstopped someone's ears" (Ruth 4:4); "have no compassion" is "hard-heartedness" (1Sam.6:6); "stubborn" is "stiff-necked" (2 Chr.30:8;cf.Acts 7:51). In addition, the Hebrews often referred to God by use of anthropomorphisms (i.e., representation of God with human attributes). The "living" and "active" God of the Hebrews is thus never reduced to mere impersonal abstraction. For instance, the 10 Commandments are said to be "inscribed by the finger of God" (Exo.31:18). The prophet Isaiah states, "surely the arm of the Lord is not too short to save, nor his ear to dull to hear (Isa. 59:1).

Again, a well-known proverb states, "the eyes of the Lord are everywhere" (Prov.15:3). In the same vein, today's Church must not forget that the earliest theology in the New Testament is relational or existential rather than propositional or creedal.

The New Testament reflects this same visceral Hebraic perspective on human nature. A person may be lead with his heart (Rom. 10:10). One may refresh spiritually the bowels [heart]of other believers (Phlm. 7, 20). A person may come under the judgment of God when the Lord searches his kidneys [mind](Rev. 2:23). (Used e-Sword to review strong numbers in these verses.) Very suprising. These texts illustrate that for the New Testament authors passion was tied to their belief that human beings were "whole"; that is they considered one's physical, psychological, and spiritual functions to be one indivisible entity. Both Testaments affirm this perspective, as seen in the above passages. They describe a person's various mental, spiritual, and emotional reactions to stress by locating these reactions in the organs of the body were a person actually feels the effects of that stress. The Hebrews-both men and women-were able to affirm their full humanity. They gave vent unashamedly to their feelings, for each emotion had "a time" appropriate for its expression: being angry, crying, laughing, singing, feasting, dancing, handclapping, shouting, embracing, and loving (see Eccl. 3:1- 8).
The nature of Hebrew is to paint verbal pictures with broad strokes of the brush. Theirs was primarily a descriptive of what the eyes see rather than what the mind speculates. Let us consider several examples of this earthiness. The prophecy of Isaiah describes graphically the intended fate of the people of Jerusalem. Trapped in the year 701 B.C. by the powerful Assyrian army of Sennacherib, they are described as those who have to "eat their own filth and drink their own urine" (Isaiah 36:12). Though Jerusalem was miraculously spared this Assyrian attack (Isaiah 37;cf.2 Kgs. 19), more than a century later (586 B.C.) Babylon destroyed Jerusalem. Jeremiah was one of the leading prophets of the Southern Kingdom at the time. With the same candor as Isaiah, Jeremiah depicts sorrowfully the acts of cannibalism performed by his own people as Jerusalem was brought to the very brink of starvation: "with their own hands and passionate women have cooked their own children, who became their food when my people were destroyed" (Lam. 4:10; cf. Deut 28: 53-57). Against the background of their Babylonian exile God's people are described as sinful and unclean, who is "righteous acts are like filthy rags" (Isaiah 64:6).
However, the Hebrew for "filthy rags" is far more explicit, reflecting the Hebrews vivid, earthly style of expression. It is beged iddim, literally "garment of menstruation." In similarity graphic words, Jeremiah likens Israel's sexual excesses as Canaanite shrines to that of a female wild Donkey in heat: "[You are] a wild donkey accustomed to the desert, sniffing the wind in her craving-in her heat who can restrain her? Any males that pursue her need not to tire themselves; at mating time they will find her" (Jer. 2:24).

Such vivid biblical imagery reminds us that the Hebrew people live close to nature; they were not afraid to face head on those areas of life that people in the West world would normally either euphemistically or avoid discussing altogether.

Do you see many Christians that talk brass... I think not!!!
Paul
Robert there are no losers! Christian or not!

Actually there are, just not any Christian ones in the resurrection.

Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain.

Those who run and don't obtain the prize are the losers that unlawfully run the race.

It's the self-confessed losers that come up with the doctrine of a 'lesser' resurrection and losers' prize of service rather than reigning.

Do you see many Christians that talk brass... I think not!!!

I only do if it fits.

In any case, I appreciate the teaching; however, once again, how did your points of resurrection have to do with 'losers'?
 

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Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

Tares are the Christian 'losers' that run unlawfully the race and are found as wicked servants appointed to the hypocrites.

Tares aren't blessed with any resurrection of the saints, and especially not blessed with eternal service to the God they denied in sins and deeds of the devil.
 

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For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren, Saying, I will declare thy name unto my brethren, in the midst of the church will I sing praise unto thee.

This is the Lord declaring them that finish the race lawfully as equally one with Himself, as friends, brethren, and fellow runners unto everlasting life.

He is not ashamed to declare them as such in the midst of the church and congregation of all fellow saints on earth and in heaven.

Those who speak of a consolation prize for losers in the race, are saying that though He is ashamed to call them brethren and fellow saints in the light, He's still stuck with them forever, like so much gum stuck to the bottom of His shoe, and so He must find a lesser place for them in heaven.

Since He went and unconditionally saved them once for all by their believing it alone, then He has to do something with them hanging around forever.

These loser promoters go so far as to say their lesser state of heaven will be serving God on the fringes of the Light in outer darkness, as though serving God is a loser thing to do, and there will be always outer darkness away from the Light of the Lamb and God.
 

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I am learning that man is at his craftiest when trying to justify himself with God, and excuse himself from the righteous judgment of God.

OSAS has come up with eternal rewards for Christian 'losers'.

There is only going on to perfection in running that race by looking to the author & finisher of our faith to help us lay aside every weight & sin daily to abide in Him as His disciples to bear fruit and that our joy may be full. Hebrews 12:1-2 Or else the consequence for not abiding in him is to be excommunicated from the Marriage Supper in Heaven by being left behind into the bed of the great tribulation.

Like the title of the movie, "Children of a Lesser God", this is a teaching of OSAS, that those who fall short of finishing the race of eternal life by disobedience to God, will not obtain the crown of righteousness, but will go through great tribulation and then be resurrected with the church: not as a resurrected saint reigning with Him, but only as an 'eternal underling' to serve Him.

Aside from the fact that all Christians go through tribulation to be purified and justified of God, there is no such thing as Christian 'losers' of the race, that refused to obey and serve God in this life, being forced into some kind of 'also ran' servitude to God for eternity.

This whole lunacy of forcing God to preserve and resurrect the rebellious 'believers', because of unconditional grace, is like Him being stuck with gum on His shoes for eternity.

There is no consolation prize for them that disobey Him.
And the sword of accusation comes out once again, again for lack of understanding. Matthew 10:34