Christians are in Rebellion against God for not following Torah

[Grailhunter]

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While I agree that everything that Jesus spent his ministry teaching by word and by example was in regard to how to walk in obedience to the Torah under the Mosaic Covenant, the reason why Jesus did established the New Covenant was not for the purpose of nullifying anything that he spent his ministry teaching or so that we could continue to have the same lawlessness that causes it to be needed in the first place, but rather the New Covenant still involves following the Torah (Jeremiah 31:33, Ezekiel 36:26-27).

In Matthew 4:15-23, Jesus began his ministry with the Gospel message to repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand, which was a light to the Gentiles, and the 613 laws of the Torah was how his audience knew what sin is (Romans 3:20), so repenting from our disobedience to them is a central part of the Gospel of the Kingdom/Grace. There would be no point in spreading the Gospel as a light to the Gentiles if Gentiles had no need to repent from dong what the Torah reveals to be sin. Jesu also said that man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that comes from the mouth of God and then commissioned his disciples to teach to the nations everything that he taught them (Matthew 28:16-20), so Jesus did not intended for what he spent his ministry teaching to only be for Jews. In Titus 2:14, Jesus gave himself to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people of his own possession who are zealous for dong good works, so the way to believe in the Gospel that he spent his ministry teaching and accomplished through the cross is by repenting and becoming zealous for doing good works in obedience to the Torah while the way to reject everything that he accomplished would be by returning to the lawlessness that he gave himself to redeem us from.

The fact that there are parts of the Torah that we can't currently follow does not mean that we should not follow the parts that we can follow.


In Isaiah 45:17, it says that all Israel shall be saved, which has led some to hold the position Jews are saved by simply by being Jews and that Gentiles need to become Jews in order to become saved, which has nothing to do with resenting or harassing Gentiles. The way to handle the sacred meal that was only done with Jews was also a major issue.

The issue that the Jerusalem Council was debating was not whether followers of Christ should follow Christ but whether salvation is by grace (Acts 15:11) or by circumcision (Acts 15:1). In Acts 15:6-7, Peter argued that Gentiles had heard and believed the Gospel message, which calls for us tor repent from our disobedience to the Torah (Matthew 4:15-23), so he was agreeing with the Pharisees from among the believers about Gentiles obeying the Torah (Acts 15:5) and disagreeing with the men from Judea (Acts 15:1). In Ezekiel 36:26-27, God will take away our hearts of stone, give us hearts of flesh, and send His Spirit to lead to obey the Torah, which is in accordance with what Peter argued in Acts 15:8-9 in regard Gentiles receiving the Spirit and having their hearts cleansed, so again he was agreeing with the Pharisees. In Psalm 119:29-30, he wanted to put false ways far from him, for God to be gracious to him by teaching him to obey the Torah and he chose the way of faith by setting it before him, so this has always been the one and only way of salvation by grace through faith, which is in accordance with what Peter argued in Acts 15:10-11 that Gentiles are saved by grace just as we are, so he came not firmly on the side of the Pharisees.


Some treat Christianity as if Jesus had come to start his own religion, but Jesus came as the Jewish Messiah of Judaism in fulfillment of Jewish prophecy and he spent his ministry teaching his followers how to practice Judaism by setting a sinless example of how to walk in obedience to the Torah. In Acts 21:20, they were rejoicing that tens of thousands of Jews were coming to faith in Jesus who were all zealous for the Torah, which is in accordance with Titus 2:14, so Jews coming to faith in Jesus were not ceasing to practice Judaism but were becoming zealous for it. This means that there was a period of time between the resurrection of Jesus and the inclusion of Gentiles that is estimated to be around 7-15 years, during which all Christians were Torah observant Jews and that Christianity at its origin was the sect of Judaism that recognized Jesus as the Messiah. Christianity has long since been overrun by Gentiles who turned into a separate religion that is opposed to following Christ's example of obedience to the Torah.

LOL You disagree with the scriptures and me. LOL Read the scriptures in post 175.....argue with them.

 

[Grailhunter]

According to Deuteronomy 13, the way that God instructed to recognize that someone is a false prophet is if they speak against obeying the Torah, so if you agree that Paul was a servant of God, then you should arguing against your position that he spoke against obeying it, but if you think that Paul spoke against obeying it, then you should be arguing against your position that he was a servant of God, so pick which way you want to argue, but either way followers of Christ should follow his example of obedience to the Torah.

So grab your magic marker and cross out 3/4 of the New Testament.
Some people have trouble with change.
Have you considered going to a synagogue and asking to convert?

 

[Grailhunter]

Part 2/2


According to Deuteronomy 13, the way that God instructed to recognize that someone is a false prophet is if they speak against obeying the Torah, so if you agree that Paul was a servant of God, then you should arguing against your position that he spoke against obeying it, but if you think that Paul spoke against obeying it, then you should be arguing against your position that he was a servant of God, so pick which way you want to argue, but either way followers of Christ should follow his example of obedience to the Torah.


The fact that the Torah is a ministry of death for those who refuse to submit to it is not a very good reason for refusing to submit to it.


God did not give the Torah as a curse but in order to teach us how to be blessed. In Deuteronomy 27-30, it describes the blessing of lawfulness and the curse of lawlessness, so Jesus redeeming us from the curse of the law is setting us free to enjoy the blessing of the law. In Titus 2:14, it does not say that Jesus gave himself to redeem us from the Torah but in order to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people of his own possession who are zealous for doing good works, so the way to believe in what he accomplished through the cross is by becoming zealous for doing good works in obedience to the Torah (Acts 21:20). The reason why Jesus went to the cross was not to free us to become doers of what the Torah reveals to be sin, but just the opposite.


The Torah was not given as a way to receive the Spirit as the result of our obedience, but that does not mean that we are not obligated to obey it for the reasons for which it was given. Furthermore, the fact that we can't received the Spirit as the result of obeying the Torah makes it that much more true that we can't receive it as the result of obeying "works of the law". The Torah is truth (Psalm 119:142) and God's Word is truth (John 17:3), so Paul criticizing the Galatians for turning away from obeying the truth should not be interpreted as criticizing them for obeying truth.


God wanted His children to repent and to return to obedience to the Torah all throughout the Bible and even Christ began his ministry with that Gospel message, so it would be absurd to interpret Galatians 5:4 as Paul warning us against obeying God and warning that we will be cut off from Christ if we repent and believe the Gospel of Christ.


In 1 Corinthian 9:21, Paul used a parallel statement to equate not being outside the Law of God with being under the Law of Christ.


The fact that the Torah brings wrath for disobeying it is not a very good reason to disobey it.


Paul spoke about the Torah as being something that is the good that he wanted to do in contrast with describing the law of sin as being something that was causing him not to do the good that he wanted to do. In Romans 6:14, Paul described the law that we are not under as being a law where sin was our master, which is clearly not describing something that is the good that he wanted to do, but rather that is the role of the law of sin. In Romans 6:15, being under grace does not mean that we are permitted to sin, and it is by the Torah that we have knowledge of what sin is (Romans 3:20), so we are still under it.


In Romans 7:25-8:2, Paul said that he served the Torah with his mind in contrast with serving the law of sin with his flesh, so he equated the Torah with the Law of the Spirit and the law of sin and death does not refer to the Law of God. In Romans 8:3-7, Paul contrasted those who walk in the Spirit with those who have minds set on the flesh who are enemies of God who refuse to submit to the Torah. Those are strong words for someone who supposedly is speaking against followers of Christ following his example of obedience to the Torah.


In Romans 7:22-23, Paul said that he delighted in obeying the Torah in contrast saying that the law of sin held him captive, so Romans 7:6 saying that we have been released from a law that held us captive should not be interpreted as speaking about Paul being released from the law that he delighted in obeying, but rather it is the law of sin that held him captive. It is the law of sin that takes the opportunity to through the Torah to produce sin and sin would be dead apart from the law of sin stirring up sinful passions in order to bear fruit unto death.


Changing the medium upon which the Torah is written from our stone to our hearts does not change the content of what it instructs us to do. For example, the command against committing idolatry written on stone has the same content as the command against committing adultery written on our hearts.


If God freed the Israelites out of bondage in Egypt in order to put them under bondage to the Torah, then it would be for bondage that God sets us free, however, Galatians 5:1 says that it is for freedom that God set us free. The Torah is truth (Psalm 119:142) and it is the transgression of the Torah that puts us into bondage while the truth sets us free (John 8:31-36). Moreover, the Torah came through the line of the free woman, not the line of the bondswoman, so that should influence how you interpret Galatians 4.


According to Deuteronomy 27-30, the way to be blessed is by relying on the Book of the Law while the way to be cursed is by not relying on it, so Galatians 3:10 should not be interpreted as Paul quoting from that passage in order to support a point that is arguing the opposite of that passage. Rather, the fact that cursed is everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law straightforwardly means that we should abridge by all things written in the Book of the Law, which is why everyone who relies on "works of the law" instead comes under that curse.


God's Word leads us to God's Word made flesh because he is the embodiment of it and it was given in order to teach us how to know him through following his example of embodying it, but the reason why it leads us to him is not so that we can then reject all that he is and go back to being doers of what it reveals to be wickedness. Someone who disregarded everything that their tutor taught them would be missing the whole point of a tutor.


In light of Romans 8:2-7, Galatians 5:18 is clear referring to not being under the law of sin when we are led by the Spirit, not the Torah. The desires of the flesh causing us not to do the good that we want to do is how Paul described his struggle with the law of sin.


The Torah was not given as a way to earning our justification as the result of our obedience, but that does not mean that we are not obligated to obey it for the reasons for which it was given. Furthermore, the fact that we can't earn our justification as the result of obeying the Torah makes it that much more true that we can't earn it as the result of obeying "works of the law". Returning to the lawlessness that Christ gave himself to redeem us from would also mean that he died for nothing.


In Hebrews 8:10, the New Covenant still involves following the Torah.


If you agree that it is by the Torah that we have knowledge of what sin is and that we should refrain from doing what God has revealed to be sin, then you should be arguing in favor of obeying the Torah.

The scriptures I posted make it clear that Paul taught that Christians are not under the Law..

 

[Dan Clarkston]

I guess that includes buddhist, hindus, animists, gays and religious and non religious people in general etc..... including Jews. Definitely not warmongers

All those people are going to hell for not following Jesus and the New Covenant... just like those following the old covenant torah. Really too bad what happens to people like this when they croak.

Your statement above is from the spirit of Antichrist.

As such, you are sinning against the LORD and Torah.

And the anti-christ will be all Torah friendly... but he will reject the New Covenant

One cannot make it in to Heaven following Torah, no one must become a New Covenant believer instead.

 

[Soyeong]

But you are as Romans 8:1-3 declares.

there is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death.
For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh,

I've not said anything contrary to those verses. The Torah does not have the power to cause us to embody it, but rather in order to embody it we need to help of the one who is the embodiment of it.

The HOLY SPIRIT Says that both the law and the flesh were condemned on the Cross = Colossians 2:11-15

In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead. And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses, having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it.

Someone having a circumcised heart only refers to them being a doer of the Torah (Deuteronomy 10:12-16) while someone having an uncircumcised heart only refers to them not being a doer of it (Jeremiah 9:25). In Romans 2:25-29, the way to recognize that a Gentile has a circumcised heart is by observing their obedience to the Torah and circumcision of the heart is a matter of the Spirit, which is in contrast with Acts 7:51-53, where those who have uncircumcised hearts resist the Spirit and do not obey the Torah.

There is a difference between these two statements.

1.) You shall not commit murder.

2.) This person has been found guilty of having committed murder.

The first is an example of a law that is for our own good while the second is an example of a handwritten ordinance that was nailed to someone's cross in order to announce the charge that was against them. In Matthew 27:37, they nailed a handwritten ordinance to Christ's cross to announce the charge that was against him, which fits perfectly with the concept of the charges that were against us being nailed to Christ's cross and with him dying in our place to pay the penalty for our sins, but has nothing to do with nailing any laws tot he cross in order to free us to become doers of what they reveal to be sin.

A person turns away from God's Word when they turn back to the law, which cannot grant Salvation = Hebrews 9:11-15

In Deuteronomy 5:31-33, Moses wrote down everything that God spoke to Him without departing from it, so the Torah's God's Word and it is contradictory to turn away from God's Word back to God's Word. While we can't earn our salvation even as the result of having perfect obedience to the Torah, Jesus graciously teaching us to experience being doera of it is intrinsically the way that he is giving us his gift of saving us from not being doers of it.

But Christ came as High Priest of the good things to come, with the greater and more perfect tabernacle not made with hands, that is, not of this creation. Not with the blood of goats and calves, but with His own blood He entered the Most Holy Place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption. For if the blood of bulls and goats and the ashes of a heifer, sprinkling the unclean, sanctifies for the purifying of the flesh, how much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without spot to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.

A priesthood led by God's Word made flesh does not involve departing from God's Word.

Here you go again adding words to the Holy Spirit by injecting "enemies of God who refuse to submit to Torah"

If you have no problem understanding that "for what the law cannot do" refers to the Torah, then you should also had no problem with understanding that Romans 8:4-7 is speaking about enemies of God who refuse to submit to the Torah.

Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

Paul equates the law with the flesh = weak and unable to produce the "righteous requirement of the law"

Paul did not equate a carnal ind with the Law of God, but rather the carnal mind is enmity against God and does not subj to the Law of God.

The NT Law of CHRIST = Romans 8:12-17

Paul contrasted those who are born of the Spirit with those who refuse to submit to the Law of God.

 

[Soyeong]

LOL You disagree with the scriptures and me. LOL Read the scriptures in post 175.....argue with them.

The scriptures I posted make it clear that Paul taught that Christians are not under the Law..

I did not disagree with the Scriptures that you posted but rather I interacted with them to explain why I do not think that they should be interpreted as speaking against being under the Torah. According to Deuteronomy 13, the way that God instructed to recognize that someone is a false prophet is if they speak against obeying the Torah, so if you agree that Paul was a servant of God, then you should arguing against your position that he spoke against obeying it, but if you think that Paul spoke against obeying it, then you should be arguing against your position that he was a servant of God, so pick which way you want to argue, but either way followers of Christ should follow his example of obedience to the Torah.

 

[Soyeong]

All those people are going to hell for not following Jesus and the New Covenant... just like those following the old covenant torah. Really too bad what happens to people like this when they croak.




And the anti-christ will be all Torah friendly... but he will reject the New Covenant

One cannot make it in to Heaven following Torah, no one must become a New Covenant believer instead.

Christ spent his ministry teaching his followers to obey the Torah by word and by example, so he is the man of lawfulness, which is in contrast with the Antichrist, who is the man of lawlessness (2 Thessalonians 2:3). In Jeremiah 31:33, the New Covenant involves God putting the Torah in our minds and writing it on our hearts, so those who are workers of lawlessness are also rejecting the New Covenant. In Matthew 7:21-23, Jesus said that only those who do the will of the Father will enter the Kingdom of Heaven in contrast with saying that he would tell those who are workers of lawlessness to depart from him because he never knew them.

 

[Soyeong]

So grab your magic marker and cross out 3/4 of the New Testament.
Some people have trouble with change.
Have you considered going to a synagogue and asking to convert?

If you interpret 3/4 of the NT in a way that makes its authors out to be false prophets, then you can argue in favor of crossing it out if you want, but it would be better for you to conclude that you must have misinterpreted them and to look for a way of interpreting them that reconciles them with the truth of what they considered to be Scripture.

Jesus and the Apostles quoted from the OT hundreds of times in order to support what they were saying, so it doesn't work to interpret them in a way that turns them against following what they considered to be an authoritative source. For example, Jesus quoted three times from Deuteronomy in order to defeat the temptations of Satan, which included saying that man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that comes form the mouth of God, so he affirmed the truth of what God spoke in Deuteronomy. This means that if you interpret Jesus as speaking against obeying what God spoke in Deuteronomy and you do not consider him to be a false prophet, then you should consider the possibility that you have misinterpreted him.

 

[Grailhunter]

I did not disagree with the Scriptures that you posted but rather I interacted with them to explain why I do not think that they should be interpreted as speaking against being under the Torah. According to Deuteronomy 13, the way that God instructed to recognize that someone is a false prophet is if they speak against obeying the Torah, so if you agree that Paul was a servant of God, then you should arguing against your position that he spoke against obeying it, but if you think that Paul spoke against obeying it, then you should be arguing against your position that he was a servant of God, so pick which way you want to argue, but either way followers of Christ should follow his example of obedience to the Torah.

The scriptures I posted prove that Christians are not under the Law. They say that exactly, singularly and all together. So twisting and trying to reinterpreting them will not work.

 

[Anchorite]

Christianity has long since been overrun by Gentiles who turned into a separate religion that is opposed to following Christ's example of obedience to the Torah.

You have an improper attitude toward Gentiles, which betrays your unbiblical Judaizer strategy.

Gentiles did not overrun Christianity, they have been grafted in by God. If Jewish people rejected the Messiah, that is not the fault of Gentiles.

We do not oppose the Torah 5 Books of Moses, but we live according to a higher spirituality called walking by the Spirit, which goes beyond the works of the law.

"Works of the law" refer to following the specific requirements of the Old Testament law in the Torah, first 5 Books of Moses, such as circumcision and dietary regulations. We believe that these works cannot save us, as they are external and do not address the inner transformation of the heart.

On the other hand, "good works" refer to the actions that flow from a heart transformed by faith in Christ. As St. James writes in his letter, faith without works is dead (James 2:26). We believe that good works are not done to earn salvation, but rather as a response to the grace and love of God.

Hebrews 8:6–13 (quoting Jeremiah 31:31–34):

“But as it is, Christ has obtained a ministry that is as much more excellent than the old as the covenant he mediates is better… For if that first covenant had been faultless, there would have been no occasion to look for a second… In speaking of a ‘new covenant,’ he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.”

This is the author of Hebrews (writing to Jewish believers) saying the Mosaic Covenant itself (the one given at Sinai with all its instructions, sacrifices, priesthood, calendar, etc.) is now obsolete because the New Covenant has arrived in Yeshua. Jeremiah 31 is the same passage Roth and Hebrew Roots love — but the NT writer applies it as fulfillment that changes the administration.

 

[Grailhunter]

Christ spent his ministry teaching his followers to obey the Torah by word and by example, so he is the man of lawfulness, which is in contrast with the Antichrist, who is the man of lawlessness (2 Thessalonians 2:3). In Jeremiah 31:33, the New Covenant involves God putting the Torah in our minds and writing it on our hearts, so those who are workers of lawlessness are also rejecting the New Covenant. In Matthew 7:21-23, Jesus said that only those who do the will of the Father will enter the Kingdom of Heaven in contrast with saying that he would tell those who are workers of lawlessness to depart from him because he never knew them.

Yeshua's ministry was during the Old Covenant.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Paul did not equate a carnal ind with the Law of God, but rather the carnal mind is enmity against God and does not subj to the Law of God.

Yes, speaking of the Law of Christ which is what Jesus came to establish when He took away the old covenant and established the New Covenant. (taught in the Book of Hebrews)

Those trying to live under the torah are not covered by saving grace thru faith as taught under the Doctrine of Christ.

Those trying to live under the torah are rejecting Jesus as their Lord and Savior as they reject the Doctrine of Christ as they continue trying to follow the law of Moses which is no longer honored by God (the Father only accepts the New Covenant)

A very dark, tormenting eternity awaits these tares.

 

[Grailhunter]

If you interpret 3/4 of the NT in a way that makes its authors out to be false prophets, then you can argue in favor of crossing it out if you want, but it would be better for you to conclude that you must have misinterpreted them and to look for a way of interpreting them that reconciles them with the truth of what they considered to be Scripture.

Jesus and the Apostles quoted from the OT hundreds of times in order to support what they were saying, so it doesn't work to interpret them in a way that turns them against following what they considered to be an authoritative source. For example, Jesus quoted three times from Deuteronomy in order to defeat the temptations of Satan, which included saying that man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that comes form the mouth of God, so he affirmed the truth of what God spoke in Deuteronomy. This means that if you interpret Jesus as speaking against obeying what God spoke in Deuteronomy and you do not consider him to be a false prophet, then you should consider the possibility that you have misinterpreted him.

The thing is, between the storyline and the scriptures the fact is clear that Christains are not under the Law.
There were Christians that believed like you do, they were called Jewish-Christians.....They died out by the end of the first century.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

As St. James writes in his letter, faith without works is dead (James 2:26).

Actually, that was the Lord Jesus saying that - James was just the delivery boy in the deal.

 

[Grailhunter]

Jesus and the Apostles quoted from the OT hundreds of times in order to support what they were saying, so it doesn't work to interpret them in a way that turns them against following what they considered to be an authoritative source. For example, Jesus quoted three times from Deuteronomy in order to defeat the temptations of Satan, which included saying that man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that comes form the mouth of God, so he affirmed the truth of what God spoke in Deuteronomy. This means that if you interpret Jesus as speaking against obeying what God spoke in Deuteronomy and you do not consider him to be a false prophet, then you should consider the possibility that you have misinterpreted him.

Again, Yeshua's ministry was during the Old Covenant.

 

[Soyeong]

The scriptures I posted prove that Christians are not under the Law. They say that exactly, singularly and all together.

While I agree that we are not under the law, Paul spoke about multiple categories of law other than the Law of God, such as the law of sin and works of the law, so it is is always important to be careful to discern this law he was referring to. For example, in Romans 7:25-8:2, Paul said that he served the Law of God with his mind in contrast with serving the law of sin with his flesh and he said that the Law of the Spirit of Life has freed us from the law of sin and death. So it should at least be worth considering which law Romans 6:14 is referring to out of all of the categories of law that Paul spoke about. If you think that that Romans 6:14 should be interpreted as referring to the Law of God, then please make the case for it especially in light of the context of the rest of Romans 6 rather than just insist that it is referring to the Law ofI God. I made the case for why I think Romans 6:14 should be interpreted as referring to the law of sin, so if you disagree, then please explain why.

So twisting and trying to reinterpreting them will not work.

I'm not the one who is trying to turn a servant of God against obeying what God has commanded. If you interpret the Apostles as speaking against obeying the OT and the OT as speaking against obeying the Apostles, then you twist the Bible into a convoluted mess. If you believe that the whole Bible is true, then you should be opposed to you interpreting parts of it as speaking against obeying other parts of it. The bottom line is that we must obey God rather than man, so if you think that the Apostles should be interpreted as speaking against obeying God, then you should be arguing in favor of obeying rather instead of the Apostles, but instead you are compounding your error by then taking the position that we should follow the Apostles instead of God. What mess! The position that followers of Christ should follow his example of obedience to what God has commanded is foundational to Christianity.

 

[Soyeong]

Again, Yeshua's ministry was during the Old Covenant.

He did not establish the New Covenant for the purpose of nullifying anything that he spent his ministry teaching.

 

[Grailhunter]

He did not establish the New Covenant for the purpose of nullifying anything that he spent his ministry teaching.

People have problems with change, but the Bible includes a sequence of changes. New Covenant.....new agreement with God.
What you think and what happened are two different things.
Again, the scriptures I posted in 175 prove we are not under the Law.

 

[Behold]

17 various translations = confusion = corruption of Doctrine.

There are over 100 "English" Bible Translations.

So, the Christian has to learn what versions to AVOID, and why.

Here is the worst one........and you need to avoid it reader.

= NIV

 

[JimKnox]

There are over 100 "English" Bible Translations.

So, the Christian has to learn what versions to AVOID, and why.

Here is the worst one........and you need to avoid it reader.

= NIV

As a matter of fact: there have been approximately 450 English translations, either in whole or in part, since the AV1611, but whose counting?
The statement I made which you quoted was in reply to that person who listed 17 English versions of one verse. I would have to scroll back to get the context lest we get distracted.
You are correct: one must be VERY careful.