Christians are in Rebellion against God for not following Torah

[Jack]

How can there be a clear answer for you Jack?

It's called the Bible and is perfectly clear. I keep quoting it, You keep avoiding it. Jesus is God and Hell Fire is EVERLASTING!

Your refusal to hear compounds a deliberate choice not to hear.

See I was right. No clear answer. Why do you profess to be Christian?

Again, no clear answer expected!

 

[Jack]

"Christians are in Rebellion against God for not following Torah"

How about Torah preachers who don't follow Torah?

Exodus 31:15
15 Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.

Should Torah preachers be "put to death"?

 

[Jay Ross]

Hello,

For those who are really interested the Sabbath Law given by God to Moses was recorded by Moses in this fashion from my understanding: -

Exodus 31:12-18: - The Sabbath Law​

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12 And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, 13 "Speak also to the children of Israel, saying: 'Surely My Sabbaths you shall keep, for it is a sign between Me and you throughout your ages, that you may know that I am the Lord who sanctifies you. 14 You shall keep the Sabbath, therefore, for it is holy to you. Everyone who profanes it will die the second death; for whoever does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from among his people. 15 Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh is the Sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day, he shall die the second death. 16 Therefore the children of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, to observe the Sabbath throughout their ages as a covenant for a prolonged period, {which ends at the vanishing point in time}. 17 It is a sign between Me and the children of Israel for all time; for in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day He rested and was refreshed.'"​

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18 And when He had made an end of speaking with him on Mount Sinai, He gave Moses two tablets of the Testimony, tablets of stone, written with the finger of God.​

My understanding, as I have paraphrased above, of the Sabbath Law tells us that the people who do not keep the Sabbath Law, when they are judged, during the Final Judgement, will be dispatched into the Lake of Fire, which is the Second Death, at that time.

Shalom

 

[Jack]

My understanding, as I have paraphrased above, of the Sabbath Law tells us that the people who do not keep the Sabbath Law, when they are judged, during the Final Judgement, will be dispatched into the Lake of Fire, which is the Second Death, at that time.

Shalom

You keep the Sabbath COMMANDS?

Exodus 31:15 Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.

I don't think you have enough body bags. Thank God there's ZERO Sabbath COMMANDS in the New Covenant!

 

[Jay Ross]

You keep the Sabbath COMMANDS?

Exodus 31:15 Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.

I don't think you have enough body bags. Thank God there's ZERO Sabbath COMMANDS in the New Covenant!

No need for body bags at all as those who will be dispatched for this and many other commandments, is still a distant future event.

Goodbye Jack

 

[Jack]

No need for body bags at all as those who will be dispatched for this and many other commandments, is still a distant future event.

Goodbye Jack

Law preachers LOVE to preach, but not obey.

 

[Jay Ross]

Law preachers LOVE to preach, but not obey.

And you are breaking the commandment to not judge others. For this sin you too will be judged and found wanting. Your outcome may be very similar to mine with respect to the Lake of Fire and the second death.

Goodbye Jack

 

[Jack]

And you are breaking the commandment to not judge others. For this sin you too will be judged and found wanting. Your outcome may be very similar to mine with respect to the Lake of Fire and the second death.

Goodbye Jack

FACT: Law preachers love preaching but not obeying! No judging needed. You judge yourselves.

How many have you or your fellow Law preachers executed and the Law COMMANDS? Would you execute your family? Gays? Adulterers? Those who work on weekends?

 

[quietthinker]

FACT: Law preachers love preaching but not obeying! No judging needed. You judge yourselves.

How many have you or your fellow Law preachers executed and the Law COMMANDS? Would you execute your family? Gays? Adulterers? Those who work on weekends?

Is it a possibility that you would you execute yourself?

 

[Jack]

Would you execute yourself?

Did you ever figure out what your religion is? Or find any Bible that you believe is God's written Word? No?

 

[quietthinker]

Did you ever figure out what your religion is? Or find any Bible that you believe is God's written Word? No?

Jack, you ask questions but you are not really interested in any answers. You have already concluded, so what is the point of engaging you?
It means your question asking is just a pretence in order to flatter self righteousness.

 

[Jack]

Jack, you ask questions but you are not really interested in any answers. You have already concluded, so what is the point of engaging you?
It means your question asking is just a pretence in order to flatter self righteousness.

I ask Biblical questions. You don't answer. You better find out soon. The Mark of the Beast and Judgment Day, dead ahead!

 

[quietthinker]

I ask Biblical questions. You don't answer. You better find out soon. The Mark of the Beast and Judgment Day, dead ahead!

Did you know that those who have the 'mark of the beast' are not conscious of it? In fact they think that those who do not have it, have it. That's why they want to get rid of them.
.....and whatever you deem 'Biblical questions' is just your imagination in full self righteousness/ self justification mode.

 

[Jack]

Did you know that those who have the 'mark of the beast' are not conscious of it? In fact they think that those who do not have it, have it. That's why they want to get rid of them.

Keep that right hand nice and clean. It's heading for you.

Revelation 13:16-17
16 He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark in their right hand or in their foreheads, 17 and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

.....and whatever you deem 'Biblical questions' is just your imagination in full self righteousness/ self justification mode.

Rev 21 All LIARS will have their part in the Lake of Fire

 

[Jack]

Payday is dead ahead.

Matthew 25
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:

 

[Jack]

Did you know that those who have the 'mark of the beast' are not conscious of it? In fact they think that those who do not have it, have it. That's why they want to get rid of them.
.....and whatever you deem 'Biblical questions' is just your imagination in full self righteousness/ self justification mode.

You can't reject the Bible and be Christian! So what is your religion? Don't know?

 

[quietthinker]

Keep that right hand nice and clean. It's heading for you.

Revelation 13:16-17
16 He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark in their right hand or in their foreheads, 17 and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

Rev 21 All LIARS will have their part in the Lake of Fire

Here is your process Jack. You ask questions but don't want and ignore answers. You are asked questions and do not address them, instead spin off into your broken record of death and destruction.
I know, you call this 'biblical'. Yes, your biblical view is dominated by death and destruction.
I am sorry that you do not see it as a book with a message of hope.
Why am I telling you this? In anticipation you might awaken and be self reflective.

 

[Jack]

Here is your process Jack. You ask questions but don't want and ignore answers. You are asked questions and do not address them, instead spin off into your broken record of death and destruction.

You're referring to God of the Bible Who drowned all but 8, "making them an example" of course.

I know, you call this 'biblical'. Yes, your biblical view is dominated by death and destruction.
I am sorry that you do not see it as a book with a message of hope.
Why am I telling you this? In anticipation you might awaken and be self reflective.

Challenge for qt: You quote Bible verses on God's love. I'll quote Bible verses on the wrath and fear of God.

Put up or shut up.

You still don't know what your religion is??? You have rejected Jesus, Moses, Isaiah, Matthew, Luke, Hebrews, Peter ...

Maybe Christians can pull you out of the fire.

Jude 1:22-23
22 And on some have compassion, making a distinction;
23 but others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire,

REALLY bad news for you:
Revelation 22:19 If anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

 

[Pavel Mosko]

Hello,

For those who are really interested the Sabbath Law given by God to Moses was recorded by Moses in this fashion from my understanding: -

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Exodus 31:12-18: - The Sabbath Law​

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12 And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, 13 "Speak also to the children of Israel, saying: 'Surely My Sabbaths you shall keep, for it is a sign between Me and you throughout your ages, that you may know that I am the Lord who sanctifies you. 14 You shall keep the Sabbath, therefore, for it is holy to you. Everyone who profanes it will die the second death; for whoever does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from among his people. 15 Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh is the Sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day, he shall die the second death. 16 Therefore the children of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, to observe the Sabbath throughout their ages as a covenant for a prolonged period, {which ends at the vanishing point in time}. 17 It is a sign between Me and the children of Israel for all time; for in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day He rested and was refreshed.'"​

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18 And when He had made an end of speaking with him on Mount Sinai, He gave Moses two tablets of the Testimony, tablets of stone, written with the finger of God.​

My understanding, as I have paraphrased above, of the Sabbath Law tells us that the people who do not keep the Sabbath Law, when they are judged, during the Final Judgement, will be dispatched into the Lake of Fire, which is the Second Death, at that time.

Shalom

I very much understand that Seventh Day Adventist teaching dealing with this ad naseum, but consider it to not be credible at all being based on the Revelations of Ellen White and her books like the Great Conflict, the Desire of Ages etc.

My Issues
1) Not formally taught in the Bible or by the Apostles. Even the Adventist Pioneers when they were "The Church of Philadelphia" during the days of them being Millerites and later "the Little Flock" did not practice Sabbath keeping. It was only Joseph Bates who did at some point when he ran across a Seventh Day Baptist track. This then eventually became incorporated as part of the SDA "Three Angels Message", during the days of the "Closed Door" where Christ Kept tarrying and they had to come to terms that they had painted themselves in a corner with the Closed Door message (that the door of Salvation was closed to anyone who rejected Millerism and their later fledgling movement.


2) Many problems with Sunday worship being the "Mark of the Beast" coming from history and Judaism itself. The 8th day (Sunday) being a prominent theme in Old Testament ritual that predicted the coming of Christ and a New Covenant based on him. 8th day messinic judaism - Bing


3) Tradition actually plays a huge role in worship in the entire Judeo-Christian Religion and Faith. For folks asking rhetorically "Where does the Bible ordain/command Sunday Worship?" I have to return the same rhetorical question to them. If you pay close attention There was no commandment to form the Synagogue or start the Sabbath church service during the Silent Years while Captive in Babylon.


4) As far as "Finger of God" and Tablets of Stone and other talking points.. "10 Commandments" vs. "The Mosaic Law"