"Common Salvation" and "So great a salvation"

[Prentis]

Hi all!

I was provoked to meditation today when two verses came to my mind... And thought I would share an open ended post as I'm pondering these things.

Jude speaks of a "common salvation" which he intended to write of, and seemingly (through his wording) it seems that it is not exactly the same as the faith once and for all delivered unto the saints.
Jud 1:3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

Meanwhile, Paul (or the writer of Hebrews) speaks of "so great a salvation", contrasting that of the old covenant and the new.
Heb 2:3 How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;

Jude describes it as koinos - koy-nos'
"Probably from G4862; common, that is, (literally) shared by all or several, or (ceremonially) profane: - common, defiled, unclean, unholy."

Paul describes it as tēlikoutos tēlikautē - tay-lik-oo'-tos, tay-lik-ow'-tay)
Masculine and feminine; from a compound of G3588 with G2245 and G3778; such as this, that is, (in [figuratively] magnitude) so vast: - so great, so mighty.

Is this the same salvation described from a different angle? Are they speaking of different things? What say you?

 

[lukethreesix]

Thanx Prentis!
I believe they are speaking of two different salvations. One, being common, granted to all by Gods grace and through Christ's work on the cross. The other, being to the "over-comers", the Bride, the faithful, the chosen, those who endure to the end, who will reign with Christ, part of that first resurrection, who will judge the nations and bring in the great harvest. This is what Paul is talking about in 1Tim 4:10, For God IS the Savior of ALL men, ESPECIALLY to those who believe. Those who believe in this age have a "special" salvation, One that is GREAT! Nothing "common" about it.

 

[Retrobyter]

Shalom, Prentis.

Hi all!

I was provoked to meditation today when two verses came to my mind... And thought I would share an open ended post as I'm pondering these things.

Jude speaks of a "common salvation" which he intended to write of, and seemingly (through his wording) it seems that it is not exactly the same as the faith once and for all delivered unto the saints.
Jud 1:3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

Meanwhile, Paul (or the writer of Hebrews) speaks of "so great a salvation", contrasting that of the old covenant and the new.
Heb 2:3 How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;

Jude describes it as koinos - koy-nos'
"Probably from G4862; common, that is, (literally) shared by all or several, or (ceremonially) profane: - common, defiled, unclean, unholy."

Paul describes it as tēlikoutos tēlikautē - tay-lik-oo'-tos, tay-lik-ow'-tay)
Masculine and feminine; from a compound of G3588 with G2245 and G3778; such as this, that is, (in [figuratively] magnitude) so vast: - so great, so mighty.

Is this the same salvation described from a different angle? Are they speaking of different things? What say you?

This is not the word for the "justification by God." It is the word that means "deliverance" or "rescue." They are one and the same. The "common salvation" is the rescue that is to be experienced by ALL God's people, both Jews and Gentiles, when Yeshua` returns and rescues His people, especially the Jews, while the "great salvation" is the awesome rescue that Yeshua` performs! Consider the following:
Zechariah 12:1-14
12 1 A prophecy, the word of Adonai concerning Isra’el — here is the message from Adonai, who stretched out the heavens, laid the foundation of the earth and formed the spirit inside human beings:
2 “I will make Yerushalayim a cup
that will stagger the surrounding peoples.
Even Y’hudah will be caught up
in the siege against Yerushalayim.
3 When that day comes, I will make Yerushalayim
a heavy stone for all the peoples.
All who try to lift it will hurt themselves,
and all the earth’s nations will be massed against her.
4 When that day comes,” says Adonai,
“I will strike all the horses with panic
and their riders with madness;
I will keep watch over Y’hudah,
but I will strike blind all the horses of the peoples.
5 The leaders of Y’hudah will say to themselves,
‘Those living in Yerushalayim are my strength
through Adonai-Tzva’ot their God.’
6 When that day comes,
I will make the leaders of Y’hudah
like a blazing fire pan in a pile of wood,
like a fiery torch among sheaves of grain;
they will devour all the surrounding peoples,
on the right and on the left.
Yerushalayim will be inhabited
in her own place, Yerushalayim.
7 Adonai will save the tents of Y’hudah first,
so that the glory of the house of David
and the glory of those living in Yerushalayim
will not appear greater than that of Y’hudah.
8 When that day comes, Adonai will defend
those living in Yerushalayim.
On that day, even someone who stumbles
will be like David;
and the house of David will be like God,
like the angel of Adonai before them.

9 “When that day comes, I will seek to destroy
all nations attacking Yerushalayim;
10 and I will pour out on the house of David
and on those living in Yerushalayim
a spirit of grace and prayer;
and they will look to me, whom they pierced.”

They will mourn for him
as one mourns for an only son;
they will be in bitterness on his behalf
like the bitterness for a firstborn son.
11 When that day comes, there will be
great mourning in Yerushalayim,
mourning like that for Hadad-Rimmon
in the Megiddo Valley.
12 Then the land will mourn,
each family by itself —
the family of the house of David by itself,
and their wives by themselves;
the family of the house of Natan by itself,
and their wives by themselves;
13 the family of the house of Levi by itself,
and their wives by themselves;
the family of the Shim‘i by itself,
and their wives by themselves;
14 all the remaining families, each by itself,
and their wives by themselves.
CJB

Zechariah 14:1-5
1 Look, a day is coming for Adonai
when your plunder, [Yerushalayim], will be divided
right there within you.
2 “For I will gather all the nations
against Yerushalayim for war.
The city will be taken,
the houses will be rifled,
the women will be raped,
and half the city will go into exile;
but the rest of the people
will not be cut off from the city.”
3 Then Adonai will go out
and fight against those nations,
fighting as on a day of battle.
4 On that day his feet will stand
on the Mount of Olives,
which lies to the east of Yerushalayim;
and the Mount of Olives will be split in half
from east to west, to make a huge valley.
Half of the mountain will move toward the north,
and half of it toward the south.
5 You will flee to the valley in the mountains,
for the valley in the mountains will reach to Atzel.
You will flee, just as you fled before the earthquake
in the days of ‘Uziyah king of Y’hudah.
Then Adonai my God will come
to you with all the holy ones.
CJB

Also look at Yo'el's prophecy:

Joel 3:3-4:2
3(2:30) "I will show wonders in the sky and on earth —
blood, fire and columns of smoke.
4(2:31) The sun will be turned into darkness
and the moon into blood
before the coming of the great
and terrible Day of Adonai.”

5(2:32) At that time, whoever calls
on the name of Adonai will be saved.
For in Mount Tziyon and Yerushalayim
there will be those who escape,
as Adonai has promised;
among the survivors will be those
whom Adonai has called.

4(3) 1 “For then, at that time, when I restore
the fortunes of Y’hudah and Yerushalayim,
2 I will gather all nations and bring them down
to the Valley of Y’hoshafat [Adonai judges].
I will enter into judgment there
for my people, my heritage Isra’el,
whom they scattered among the nations;
then they divided my land."
CJB

This is what "salvation" means.