Concerning Doctrines

[MonoBiblical]

Uh...okay... have a great thread.

What do you not understand about your worthless contributions?

 

[dak]

What do you not understand about your worthless contributions?

Anyone who reads the post where I mentioned your screen name, (which prompted this discussion between you and I), should be able to see that I only mentioned you because you are the OP, and I was attempting to avoid hijacking your thread with what I knew would be an extremely lengthy rebuttal to someone else's extremely lengthy post.

Am I evil for attempting to respect your wishes on which direction you would prefer your thread to go?

As far as my contributions to this thread, I stand by everything I have said, and all the scripture that supports what I have said: if your opinion is that my contributions are worthless, so be it, your opinions are your own and have no relevance to what I believe from and according to the scripture. However, the murders proceeding from your heart and coming forth from your mouth, without cause, are duly noted, (Matthew 15:18-20). The stench of arrogance and pride precedes you.

 

[MonoBiblical]

Anyone who reads the post where I mentioned your screen name, (which prompted this discussion between you and I), should be able to see that I only mentioned you because you are the OP, and I was attempting to avoid hijacking your thread with what I knew would be an extremely lengthy rebuttal to someone else's extremely lengthy post.

Am I evil for attempting to respect your wishes on which direction you would prefer your thread to go?

As far as my contributions to this thread, I stand by everything I have said, and all the scripture that supports what I have said: if your opinion is that my contributions are worthless, so be it, your opinions are your own and have no relevance to what I believe from and according to the scripture. However, the murders proceeding from your heart and coming forth from your mouth, without cause, are duly noted, (Matthew 15:18-20). The stench of arrogance and pride precedes you.

1. The rebuttal was knowledgeless.
2. It was only a tangent.
3. I just don't like you.
4. You won't even start your own thread. That is how I understand you.

 

[dak]

1. The rebuttal was knowledgeless.
2. It was only a tangent.
3. I just don't like you.
4. You won't even start your own thread. That is how I understand you.

My rebuttals to the other poster also included one of my own threads which I already started long ago. Other than that there was no rebuttal directed or addressed to you until you started casting stones for no apparent reason: but I see now why, just as I already stated: it is clearly because you simply do not like me, ("3. I just don't like you."), and again, that is without cause, as far as I know: for how many times have we spoken before this thread? Was it maybe once? Yes, maybe one time, if I remember correctly, and it was quick and short: there was no argument as far as I remember.

Thus you spew the apparent hate proceeding from your heart and exiting out of your mouth, just as the Master says, (again, Matthew 15:18-20), and one of his apostles likewise, based on that same Matthew passage, saying, Whosoever hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him, (1John 3:15). Do you neither understand nor perceive that murders do indeed proceed from the heart, and come forth from the mouth, and defile a person? Why do you neither believe the Testimony of the Master nor his apostles?

My suggestion to you is that you start posting actual evidence for all of your empty assertions because the only thing you have revealed so far in this thread is that you are a fraud and apparently devoid of true scripture knowledge.

 

[MonoBiblical]

Thus you spew the apparent hate proceeding from your heart and exiting out of your mouth, just as the Master says, (again, Matthew 15:18-20), and one of his apostles likewise, based on that same Matthew passage, saying, Whosoever hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him, (1John 3:15). Do you neither understand nor perceive that murders do indeed proceed from the heart, and come forth from the mouth, and defile a person? Why do you neither believe the Testimony of the Master nor his apostles?

You are some weird Modern Jew, not my brother. And I don't hate you. (removed)

 

[dak]

You are some weird Modern Jew, not my brother. And I don't hate you. (removed)

"I don't hate you."

Your own words of lashon-hara betray you, and your judgment has been made in vanity: exalting yourself at my expense, comparing me with your own opinion of yourself and your opinion of me, and finding me wanting in your standard of judgment. My judgment will be from the scripture and according to the scripture: for I am not seeking my own glory here but to glorify the Father and honor His Logos-Word who is His Son.

John 7:16-18 TS2009 (W/Footnotes)
16 יהושע answered them and said, “My teaching is not Mine, but His who sent Me.b Footnote: bיהושע says this in seven places in the Book of John: Joh 3:34, Joh 7:16, Joh 8:28, Joh 8:40, Joh 12:49, Joh 14:24, Joh 17:8. See also Deu 18:15-20.
17 “If anyone desires to do His desire, he shall know concerning the teaching, whether it is from Elohim, or whether I speak from Myself.
18 “He who speaks from himself is seeking his own esteem, but He who seeks the esteem of the One who sent Him is true, and no unrighteousness is in Him.

"not my brother."

Apparently you think I only quoted that passage in defense of myself. Whose words are they which you do despite to, trample, deny, and set aside in your judgments and doctrines?

Isaiah 8:16-20
16 Bind up the Testimony, seal the Torah among my taught ones [disciples].
17 And I shall wait on YHWH, who hides His face from the house of Yakob: and I shall look for Him.
18 Behold, I, and the children whom YHWH has given me [John 17:1-26] are for signs and wonders in Yisrael, from YHWH Tzabaoth who dwells in Mount Tzion.
19 And when they say to you, “Seek those who are mediums and wizards, who whisper and mutter,” should not a people seek their Elohim? Should they seek the dead on behalf of the living?
20 To the Torah and to the Testimony: if they do not speak according to this Word, it is because there is no daybreak-light in them [John 11:10].

Who are these children YHWH gives unto the Son in verse 18 highlighted above? Read it in the great prayer of John 17:1-26, which a little more than half way through, (John 17:17-19), says they are those willing to become sanctified in the Meshiah and Teacher of Righteousness, and the Spirit of the Father who speaks through him is He who binds up the Testimony and seals the Torah among the talmidim of the Master.

Why is this important? Both the Meshiah himself and the Son within him were not ashamed to call those willing to become sanctified BRETHREN: and the Testimony of the Meshiah is Spirit and Life, (John 6:63), and thus the Testimony of the Meshiah is the Spirit of Grace, (Zec 12:10, Heb 10:29) whom you continually ignore and set aside in your judgments derived from your own opinions of yourself against others whom you either hate or do not like.

Hebrews 2:10-13 TS2009 (W/Footnotes)
10 For it was fitting for Him, because of whom all are and through whom all are, in bringing many sons to esteem, to make the Prince of their deliverance perfect through sufferings.
11 For both He who sets apart and those who are being set apart are all of One, for which reason He is not ashamed to call them brothers,
12 saying, “I shall announce Your Name to My brothers,b in the midst of the congregation I shall sing praise to You.” Psa 22:22. Footnote: bSee also Psa 45:17, Joh 17:6 and Joh 17:26.
13 And again, “I shall put My trust in Him.” Isa 8:17 And again, “See, I and the children whom Elohim gave Me.” Isa 8:18.

And now, concerning your claim on the first page of this thread:

The Highest Lord and Highest King is YHWH.

Deuteronomy 32:1-6 TS2009
1 “Give ear, O heavens, and let me speak; And hear, O earth, The words of my mouth.
2 “Let my instruction fall as rain, My speech drop down as dew, As fine rain on the tender plants, And as showers on the grass.
3 “For I proclaim the Name of יהוה, Ascribe greatness to our Elohim.
4 “The Rock! His work is perfect, For all His ways are right-ruling, An Ěl of truth and without unrighteousness, Righteous and straight is He.
5 “A twisted and crooked generation has corrupted itself, Their blemish, they are not His children.
6 “Do you do this to יהוה, O foolish and unwise people? Is He not your Father, who bought you, Who created you and established you?

YHWH Elohim is my Father, HE WHO IS AND WHO WAS AND WHO SHALL BE, (Exo 3:15, Rev 1:4), the Almighty, and YHWH Elohim of my fathers, Elohei Abraham, Elohei Yitzhak, and Elohei Yakob is His Name forever, and this is His memorial unto the generations of the generations, (Exo 3:15).

"not my brother."

If therefore you are not my brother: it is only because you have neither heard nor learned from the Father, and apparently, (because I obviously cannot speak for Him), He Himself has not given you to His Son.

John 6:44-45 TS2009 (W/Footnotes)
44 “No one is able to come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him. And I shall raise him up in the last day.
45 “It has been written in the prophets, ‘And they shall all be taught by יהוה.’ Isa 54:13, Jer 31:34. Everyone, then, who has heard from the Father, and learned, comes to Me.

My judgments herein are founded in the holy scripture, and they are not posted to glorify myself, but to glorify the Father and to honor His Logos-Word-Son contained in this post. These things, when compared with your attitudes, opinions, and the lashon hara proceeding from your heart and coming forth from your mouth, reveal to me that you are a fraud, just as already stated previously for the same reasons: you do not match up to the standards of the Testimony of the Torah, nor the Testimony of the Meshiah, nor the Testimony of his Apostles in the holy writings.

You would have been much better off to simply heed the Testimony of the Meshiah given by way of the Spirit of Grace within him: "Judge not, that you not be judged." (Mat 7:1).

 

[dak]

Here we are on page three of your thread and you have still not yet begun your argument(s). Why not just start with John 1:1? Surely you have some sort of argument with the common Trinitarian interpretation and understanding of that passage, correct? Below is the Greek text with links to the lexicons provided at biblehub,com.

Show us all why the following Greek text is theologically incorrect.

John 1:1 Greek Study Bible (Apostolic / Interlinear)
Ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ λόγος, καὶ ὁ λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν θεόν, καὶ θεὸς ἦν ὁ λόγος.

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For future reference:
The following Hebrew text from the Vatican Library is theologically correct.

https://digi.vatlib.it/view/MSS_Vat.ebr.100/0238

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[MonoBiblical]

Here we are on page three of your thread and you have still not yet begun your argument(s). Why not just start with John 1:1? Surely you have some sort of argument with the common Trinitarian interpretation and understanding of that passage, correct? Below is the Greek text with links to the lexicons provided at biblehub,com.

Show us all why the following Greek text is theologically incorrect.

John 1:1 Greek Study Bible (Apostolic / Interlinear)
Ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ λόγος, καὶ ὁ λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν θεόν, καὶ θεὸς ἦν ὁ λόγος.

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For future reference:
The following Hebrew text from the Vatican Library is theologically correct.

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https://digi.vatlib.it/view/MSS_Vat.ebr.100/0238

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John 1:1 "In the beginning, it became a word, and a word it became with a God, and the God it became. A word ...."

The problem is the English not the Greek. Since you are Jew who knows only Hebrew, I suspect you will have some lame rebuttal.

Also notice the article or determiner is indefinite in all ancient languages. Greek, Hebrew, Aramaic, Latin.

 

[dak]

John 1:1 "In the beginning, it became a word, and a word it became with a God, and the God it became. A word ...."

The problem is the English not the Greek. Since you are Jew who knows only Hebrew, I suspect you will have some lame rebuttal.

Also notice the article or determiner is indefinite in all ancient languages. Greek, Hebrew, Aramaic, Latin.

Ridiculous. In Biblical Greek the definite article is the only way to make a word emphatic, (and there is no indefinite article). Hebrew is essentially the opposite: proper nouns are already emphatic and therefore do not tolerate the definite article.

"ho logos" (ὁ λόγος) = the Logos, the Word, etc., etc.

The rest of your reinterpretation is mind-boggling: how on earth did you come up with "it became a word"??? You arbitrarily inserted "it" into the statement three times without any textual reason for doing so.

You changed τὸν θεόν into "a God", replacing the definite article, (the), with an indefinite article, (a), that does not exist anywhere in the Greek texts of either the LXX or the N/T, (again, there is no indefinite article in Biblical Greek).

Then you took an anarthous form of θεὸς, (Theos without the article), and inserted the article, (the God it became)!!!

Unbelievable! You have subverted the entire statement in order to make it say nearly the exact opposite of what it actually says!!! And you say that my contributions here in this thread have been worthless???
(Post#41 at the top of this page).

I think now I understand why...

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[MonoBiblical]

Ridiculous. In Biblical Greek the definite article is the only way to make a word emphatic, (and there is no indefinite article). Hebrew is essentially the opposite: proper nouns are already emphatic and therefore do not tolerate the definite article.

"ho logos" (ὁ λόγος) = the Logos, the Word, etc., etc.

The rest of your reinterpretation is mind-boggling: how on earth did you come up with "it became a word"??? You arbitrarily inserted "it" into the statement three times without any textual reason for doing so.

You changed τὸν θεόν into "a God", replacing the definite article, (the), with an indefinite article, (a), that does not exist anywhere in the Greek texts of either the LXX or the N/T, (again, there is no indefinite article in Biblical Greek).

Then you took an anarthous form of θεὸς, (Theos without the article), and inserted the article, (the God it became)!!!

Unbelievable! You have subverted the entire statement in order to make it say nearly the exact opposite of what it actually says!!! And you say that my contributions here in this thread have been worthless???
(Post#41 at the top of this page).

I think now I understand why...
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Logos is any word or unit which informs. It is any word in the Greek language. The name of God is a word for example.

 

[MonoBiblical]

You arbitrarily inserted "it" into the statement three times without any textual reason for doing so.

According to the Blue Letter Bible,

Inflected:	ἦν
Root:	ἦν
Strong's:	G2258
English:	was
Code:	V-IXI-3S
Long:	Verb - Imperfect (No voice stated) Indicative - 3rd Person Singular

Speech:	Verb
Tense:	Imperfect
Voice:	(No voice stated)
Mood:	Indicative
Person:	3rd Person
Number:	Singular

What about 3rd Person Singular do you not understand?

What about indefinite articulations do you not understand?

 

[MonoBiblical]

Unbelievable! You have subverted the entire statement in order to make it say nearly the exact opposite of what it actually says!!! And you say that my contributions here in this thread have been worthless???

You say that because you are a Jew boy and not a Unitarian, Jew boy.

 

[dak]

You say that because you are a Jew boy and not a Unitarian, Jew boy.

"not a Unitarian"...

Another ill-informed stab in the darkness. You never even made it to the actual point that was being hinted at because of the magnitude of your ignorance of the scripture. You had a fairly simple verse with a mere seventeen words and yet you have apparently never even taken the time to find out what each word actually means in its context within the statement.

Clue #2 — G4314 πρὸς -vs- H5973 עם, (for example, study the 2Chr 24:4 Hebrew text).