Confusing dilemma

[Lambano]

When you say female soul verses a male soul. Your defining a person’s gender on their soul. Where do you get your understanding of the two? When God breathed into Adam’s nostrils he became a living soul.

The common testimony from transsexuals is that they've always felt like a woman's soul trapped in a man's body, or vice versa. Gender is more than just body parts. How am I to know if what they say is true?

 

[Daniel Veler]

Read the following:


Romans 1:21


Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave

them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

 

[Daniel Veler]

So, you consider this relationship between a lesbian and a transsexual woman to be heterosexual?

No

 

[Lambano]

No

The big problem is, “she” married a guy and it would mean completely changing her life. Thats something i dont think she’ll even consider. There has been no signs of repentance.

Okay, you don't consider the transsexual woman having lesbian sex with another woman as heterosexual. Is Lifelong Sinner's transsexual lady-friend's having intercourse with a man within the context of marriage a heterosexual relationship? You can't have it both ways.

 

[Daniel Veler]

The scripture said their nature was changed. A woman is a woman regardless how she changes her body.

 

[GEN2REV]

Right. The thing is, for people damaged by the sex change procedures, they may not be able to 'stop' sinning if the sin is being what they were made into. All they could do is get their heart right, and repent.

Ok, you're putting words into my posts that I haven't posted. This will be my last response on this topic with you.

There is no such condition in life as "not being able to stop sinning." I never said that their 'state' of 'being' sexually altered made them a perpetual sin. YOU are saying that. If they have had a sex change and make the decision to stop having sex with people of the same sex they were born as, they can do so and thus repent of the sin of sex with someone of their same physical gender.

For those who don't want an answer to a perceived problem, they will find/create a million excuses not to find one.

For those who do want to solve a problem, they will find plenty of solutions to do so.

It really is that simple.

 

[dad]

There is no such condition in life as "not being able to stop sinning."

In the minds of some religious people there probably is.

I never said that their 'state' of 'being' sexually altered made them a perpetual sin.

Great so what are you saying?

YOU are saying that.

Nope, nothing like that.

If they have had a sex change and make the decision to stop having sex with people of the same sex they were born as, they can do so and thus repent of the sin of sex with someone of their same physical gender.

So having sex in the 'changed' sex state means they are doomed? It seems to me the greater sin is those that encouraged them to do all that, and performed the deed etc.

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

Hello all, its been a while. So i have a question about a dear friend of 20 yrs of mine. This person doesnt know im asking this, and although it may sound bad, first thing’s first, i do not believe this person is saved.

i have worried about this person greatly the last couple of years, and im wondering if they have any hope. This person had a “selective” surgery which cannot be reversed. The problem from my viewpoint, is that since this surgery cannot be reversed, is repentance even possible for this surgery?

This person has no intentions of doing this, but im really confused about God’s purpose in this situation. I believe everything happens for a reason, either God wanted it to happen, or He merely allowed it to take place. And since God is good, for Him to have allowed my friend to have this surgery, something will come from this that benefits His glory. But i cant figure out what it could be. This surgery has allowed my friend to start a life living in sin. Is it possible that my friend could be one of the “vessels of wrath” mentioned in Romans 9:22?

Doesn't Romans 1: 18-30 tell us the reason for so much homosexuality in the world today is because people either refuse to believe the truth about God nor practice that truth in their lives? Because of that, these desires which were already in their heart God gave them up to express those desires because that's what they wanted anyway. They didn't truly want to know the truth about God but also didn't want to practice that truth in their lives.

 

[Nancy]

I don't think we could write everything off. There are certain cases of anatomical problems.

Many years ago, I worked at a children's hospital. and we had a child admitted, let's call her Brenda. Brenda was being admitted to an operation because Brenda was actually a Ben. Sometime these things happen. Some folk are born with both parts, but not initially seen.

My ex husband of decades ago had a sister who was a hermaphrodite. She had both male and female genitalia.
Her arms were very hairy as well. I really felt for her as, she never or very rarely spoke and always sat far from the rest of us like she thought she could pass it to us. Her H.S. days were horrid, as you might imagine. I do hope she found the Lord and is following Him. Have not seen her since the late 70's.
Not all is black and white...

 

[Nancy]

The common testimony from transsexuals is that they've always felt like a woman's soul trapped in a man's body, or vice versa. Gender is more than just body parts. How am I to know if what they say is true?

Hi bro!
And...this common testimony has been heard with my own ears many times over the decades so, it is nothing new at all they DO feel as though they are in the wrong body for how it does not line up with their feelings, and when it comes to this huge subject, those are some huge feelings.

There have been quite a few transsexuals', transgenders, cross dressers I have met in person and it truly has not a thing to do with the "sex act". Many crossdressers (the lead pathologist who ran the lab I worked at for a very long time was a crossdresser but, was still attracted to women) still have the same sexual orientation of a man, and still attracted to women but, feel the need to dress like a woman at times.
Some transsexual women still like men, and it is widely known that they simply feel totally out of touch in their bodies. Why would anyone ever do such a thing if it weren't something so strong as to want to die rather than live in a body that feels oh so unnatural to them? This is all between God and the person, I will not judge them. As for me and my (God's) body, I will remain with all my own natural parts

 

[Oceanprayers]

Hello all, its been a while. So i have a question about a dear friend of 20 yrs of mine. This person doesnt know im asking this, and although it may sound bad, first thing’s first, i do not believe this person is saved.

i have worried about this person greatly the last couple of years, and im wondering if they have any hope. This person had a “selective” surgery which cannot be reversed. The problem from my viewpoint, is that since this surgery cannot be reversed, is repentance even possible for this surgery?

This person has no intentions of doing this, but im really confused about God’s purpose in this situation. I believe everything happens for a reason, either God wanted it to happen, or He merely allowed it to take place. And since God is good, for Him to have allowed my friend to have this surgery, something will come from this that benefits His glory. But i cant figure out what it could be. This surgery has allowed my friend to start a life living in sin. Is it possible that my friend could be one of the “vessels of wrath” mentioned in Romans 9:22?

Only God knows if your friend is one of his.

Your worry doesn't change the destiny God bestows.

Live your life now in the present. Others aren't in your control.