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I think "interfaith" is nonsense - it's self-contradictory. Faith is placed in persons (a Person), rather than ideas. You cannot serve two masters. A group that serves many masters is... not a group.

My only experience with "ecumenical" is multiple Christian churches coming together to build a shelter and feed the homeless. Google seems to say it's something more like (small-c) catholic - universal. I don't know about that.

I would consider both of these words jargon. I try to stay away from jargon. I don't always completely succeed, but I try to use common words that everyone can understand.

I'm in the US, so in some sense I'm under that government, though I disagree with almost everything of the Democrats, and much of the Republicans. Politically, I'm a Utilitarian without a rule. You want my voting record? I abstained from voting in 2016, thinking neither candidate was worth a damn. I voted Libertarian in 2020, same logic. Held my nose to vote for Trump in 2024, because Biden was really that terrible. Don't actually like Trump, or agree with what he says.

I have no idea what "nar realm" means. Google seemed to think it had something to do with Dungeons & Dragons. Never played that.

I'm not (capital-C) Catholic. I object to the papacy, in particular that there is any Vicar of Christ, and also to the hierarchy of priests placed over a laity, having the power to remit sins. I was raised in a charismatic church, educated in a reformed school, and have been an assistant pastor in a couple non-denoms. I currently attend a charismatic church.

I've spent a lot of time studying the Bible, and also the history, literature, and geography of the Ancient Near East where the Bible comes from. My beliefs don't really match cleanly to any particular denomination of Christianity - they're kind of "roll your own." That being said, I'm aware of where my beliefs are unorthodox, and I don't try to preach those. I'm not trying to start my own church.
not only is intefaith nonsense it cometh of many anti christs .
Cause if anyone would bother to examine its so called loving the other relgions to GOD
and interfaith interreligious dialgoue IT told and it sold to the false religoins as well as to christendom
THEY HAD KNOWN it was of anti christ . IT LIED to them all . IT lied to them all .
The gospel of JESUS was DENIED . as it sold the lie that all religoins serve the same GOD a christain does
and are just coming to him differently . OH YEAH it SOLD a JESUS CHRIST DENYING LIE to them all .
And did so under the guise to be as one for world peace n safety .
And now a word . For when they shall say PEACE N SAFETY , SUDDEN destruction cometh upon them all .
And now we know the why . CAUSE BY MEANS OF THIS PEACE THEY DO DENY THE GOSPEL OF YE MUST
ABSOLUTELY BELIEVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST . SO , it wont be peace n safety for them . NOT ON JESUS DAY IT WONT .
 

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We ALL agree that Christ taught ALL of His apostles.
That being the case why did Christ (Matt) teach saved requires performance but not in Paul ?
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Matt 25 :- LIFE ETERNAL requires 'PERFORMANCE'
42For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
43I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
44Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
45Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
46And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
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Is Christ CONTRADICTING Himself with Paul ???
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Titus 3:5-7, Gal 2:16, Eph 2:8-9, Gal 2:16, Rom 3:28, Rom 4:5:, Rom 5:1

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Or is it that the teachings in Matthew apply to a different age/audience than Paul is selected to teach !!!
It is important to recognize that a servant of God can speak against being required to obey what God has commanded for incorrect reasons without speaking against being required to obey what God has commanded for correct reasons. We can’t earn our salvation, righteousness, or eternal life even as the result of having perfect obedience to the Law of God, so obedience to it has absolutely nothing to do with having a good enough performance, but that does not mean that there are not correct reasons for why those things require us to choose to obey it, such as faith. While Paul denied in Romans 4:1-5 that we can earn our righteousness as the result of our works, he also affirmed in Romans 2:13 that only the doers of the Law of God will be declared righteous, so there are reason why our righteousness requires us to choose to be a doer of it other than in order to earn it as the result.
 
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"For God has not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ."
1 Thessalonians 5:9​


The Tribulation will be the time of God's wrath.

Then the kings of the earth, the princes, the generals, the rich, the mighty, and everyone else,
both slave and free, hid in caves and among the rocks of the mountains. They called to the
mountains and the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne
and from the wrath of the Lamb! For the great day of their wrath has come, and who can withstand it?”
Revelation 6:15-17​

Pass the butter, please....
Thank you GeneZ for posting Revelation 6:15-17 as it PROVES all that i have been speaking to you.
The Church is NOT on earth when the Day of the WRATH of God and the Lamb is poured out

WRATH is WRATH

Tribulation is NOT God's Wrath

Tribulation is Ordained by GOD for the Church = to Build our Faith in HIM
JESUS Says: I have told you these things so that in Me you may have peace. In the world you will have tribulation.
But take courage; I have overcome the world!”

Apostles Say: And when they had preached the gospel to that city and made many disciples, they returned to Lystra, Iconium, and Antioch, strengthening the souls of the disciples, exhorting them to continue in the faith, and saying,
“We must through many tribulations enter the kingdom of God.”

SHALOM
 
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Only the first three chapters in Revelation addressed the churches.

After that?

The church is no longer mentioned.
The Church is all throughout Revelation - except when God pours out His Wrath on the wicked

The Church of Christ consists of the Elect/Saints = 1 Peter 2:5
However, the Most High does not dwell in houses made by human hands. = Acts 7:48


Coming to Him as to a living stone, rejected indeed by men, but chosen by God and precious,
you also, as living stones, are being built up a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.

We read/SEE the Apostles writing to the "Saints' and "Elect" = these are the Church

Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Timothy our brother,
2To the saints and faithful brethren in Christ who are in Colosse:

Therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, put on tender mercies, kindness, humility, meekness, longsuffering;

The "churches" are individual locations of the Saints/Elect.

All these SAVED assemblies/congregations/churches throughout the world, together form The Church.
 
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how familiar is this .
Once upon a time when men entered into churches or onto web sites
and warned against sin , against error
WHAT DID WE SEE THEM USE . DONT JUDGE , GOD IS LOVE .
And oopsy daisy THAT IS Exactly HOW the evil Gained the ground and TOOK over .
Marvel not that satan himself can SAY GOD IS LOVE
and yet all along be using a harlots love to remove THE TRUTH OF GOD in favor of lies , sin and unbeleif .
HE is a liar and the father of lies he surely is my friend .
EVERY TIME i warned against sins and specially certain sins
IHEARD from the lips of those who followed the wrong love god ,
DONT JUDGE GOD IS LOVE . My friend , THERE IT IS FOR ALL TO SEE
that even a well favored harlot can come cloaked in wool and sell HER LOVE as though IT WAS THE LOVE OF GOD
TALK about DELUSION . but many bought her love and her love has led them only
into greater and greater rebellion AGAINST GOD and HIS CHRIST , against HIS words
Till now even the gospel is under attack as being RELIGIOUS Extremism .
OH YEAH i got called by a so called christeain
AS an relgious extremist for preaching THE DIRE NEED TO BELIEVE ON JESUS to an ATHIEST .
SO DONT TELL ME It cant happen . IT DID and its gonna get worse as laws will change and be enforced
by This all inclusive god who is satan and his global power house of an image speaking system .
 

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The Church is all throughout Revelation - except when God pours out His Wrath on the wicked

The Church of Christ consists of the Elect/Saints = 1 Peter 2:5
However, the Most High does not dwell in houses made by human hands. = Acts 7:48


Coming to Him as to a living stone, rejected indeed by men, but chosen by God and precious,
you also, as living stones, are being built up a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.

We read/SEE the Apostles writing to the "Saints' and "Elect" = these are the Church

Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Timothy our brother,
2To the saints and faithful brethren in Christ who are in Colosse:

Therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, put on tender mercies, kindness, humility, meekness, longsuffering;

The "churches" are individual locations of the Saints/Elect.

All these SAVED assemblies/congregations/churches throughout the world, together form The Church.
What would you do my friend , oh say what would you say my friend
IF i told you that satan by means of a well favored harlot
and three key words NOT ONLY convinced all religoins to become as one man for peace .
And that by these three key words for many years , any time a sheep came to correct sin and error and to expose
false doctrine in the churches , THEY USED THOSE T HREE WORDS to silence our voices .
And what would you do if i told you that by the means of those three words
That now even i was called by a so called christain A RELIGIOUS extremist for simply
preaching TO AN ATHIEST the dire need TO BELIEVE ON JESUS .
What would you do if i told you that satan can indeed appear as an angel of light
and that his WELL FAVORED harlot can indeed pour a cup of fornicatoin upon the world
AND YET CALL it love and loving and EVEN cliam this love was and is OF GOD .
And that there harlot and her daughters , WERE even many of them dressed IN WOOL .
What would you do and what would you say to THAT .
And now for the three words they used for years upon years
that all they did was keep saying and keep on changing more and more the image of GOD into the image of another god
that they Believed was GOD and that now EVEN ALL religoins and christendom are believing IS the LOVE
and peace plan OF GOD . WHEN IN FACT it was of the devil all along . IT that does seem
hard to grasp , that even satan and his men could say GOD IS LOVE , THOSE THREE WORDS
and yet use this phrase to silence the TRUTH .
THEN REMEMBER THIS
WHAT DID THEY TELL US every time we or others would correct sins and errors in the churches .
JUDGE NOT , GOD IS LOVE . And now look at what some of them even tell us
WHEN WE SAY YE MUST BELIEVE ON JESUS and that all who dont will be damned , SAME THING
GOD IS LOVE dont judge . ALL OF IT WAS A LIE david . ALL of it . AND WE BOTH KNOW GOD cannot lie .
But we also both know WHO CAN and who does and who always desired to be as GOD . satan .
 

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For those who claim there will be no 1,000-year reign of Christ on a transformed earth?

There are a few passages some need to explain.

Can you explain it?
Or only try to explain it away?

“Never again will there be in it
an infant who lives but a few days,
or an old man who does not live out his years;
the one who dies at a hundred
will be thought a mere child;
the one who fails to reach a hundred
will be considered accursed.


Isaiah 65:20​

That has not been happening today, nor since Christ was resurrected.
 

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For those who claim there will be no 1,000-year reign of Christ on a transformed earth?

There are a few passages some need to explain.

Can you explain it?
Or only try to explain it away?

“Never again will there be in it
an infant who lives but a few days,
or an old man who does not live out his years;
the one who dies at a hundred
will be thought a mere child;
the one who fails to reach a hundred
will be considered accursed.


Isaiah 65:20​

That has not been happening today, nor since Christ was resurrected.
but what if in part it has .
Dont think i come to speak against a thousand year reign . I dont .
But look again real closely at that .
IF ye beleive on ME ye shall never die . The one who lives forever is the ONE who trusted in JESUS
but even if a man liv es to be a hundred and yet has not faith in JESUS , that man is accursed and surely will face the second death .
What if in part this is speaking of the new ressurected life IN CHRIST .
Now i truly DO NOT fully understand the thousand years at all . And seeing the beast , fp , satan and etc
IS STILL decieving this world and the nations , and not rather the beast and fp being in a lake of fire
and the devil at that same time UNABLE TO D ECIEVE even the nations , I AINT SAYING we are IN the thousand years .
But what i am saying is
WHEN YOU used ISSAIH sixty five and twenty , I think you did so incorrectly . What if
just like the parble of the bones this is talking about FAITH IN JESUS and those WHO HAVE IT .
 

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but what if in part it has .
Dont think i come to speak against a thousand year reign . I dont .
But look again real closely at that .
IF ye beleive on ME ye shall never die . The one who lives forever is the ONE who trusted in JESUS

Some here are DEAD set against the understanding concerning the thousand-year reign of Christ.

Why is that?
 
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Some here are DEAD set against the understanding concerning the thousand-year reign of Christ.

Why is that?
The SAME reason why pre-trib is DEAD

1,000 Literal Years are a Promise of GOD for those who believe and receive His words.

AFTER the Tribulation is Christ Coming/Resurrection FOLLOWED by the Rapture is for those who believe and receive His words.
 
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Some here are DEAD set against the understanding concerning the thousand-year reign of Christ.

Why is that?
i dont know . but all i was saying was Your scripture is not g onna prove that .
Simply bring what is written in revelation . IT can prove this . It surely can prove it .
Because if we were already in the thousand years , THEN THERE WOULD BE NO FALSE PROPHET
orB east , as they are already IN THE LAKE OF FIRE
and Satan himself unable to DECIEVE ANYONE in the nations . THAT is how you can prove it .
But not by ISSIAH that you brought . that speaks volumns of the new life by faith IN JESUS .
NOT teh thousand years .
 

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The SAME reason why pre-trib is DEAD

1,000 Literal Years are a Promise of GOD for those who believe and receive His words.

AFTER the Tribulation is Christ Coming/Resurrection FOLLOWED by the Rapture is for those who believe and receive His words.
and believe you me YOU WONT be seeing muhammed , budda or anyone elses religoin IN IT . THEY ALL GOING down
ON JESUS day as well as ANY christain who even dared to join hands with a harlots love and her interfaith of anti christ peace .
WHITE ROBES . not multi many colored robes of false religons and of another jesus and or gospel that was no gopsel .
David . I DONT THINK this false lovey do all linclusive do ecumeincal do and intefaith do peoples
KNOWS OR EVEN UNDERSTANDS .
THAT GOD GIVETH HIS GLORY TO NO FALSE god or false religon .
MY GLORY will i not give to another .
AND THIS IS WHO THE GLORY OF GOD IS , JESUS THE CHRIST . HE ALONE is the only way to GOD
and he will never support a false religon , a lie , unbelief or any sin . That be a fact david and IT IS THE TRUTH .
 
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The SAME reason why pre-trib is DEAD

1,000 Literal Years are a Promise of GOD for those who believe and receive His words.

AFTER the Tribulation is Christ Coming/Resurrection FOLLOWED by the Rapture is for those who believe and receive His words.
Nor do i think this all inclusive do , sin accepting do , this judge not generation
understands . That any behavoir , any word spoken and any action done
THAT CoNTRADIcTS the ONE TRUE GOD , HIS WORDS , HIS SON , HIS testimony ,
IS A LIE , IS wicked communiations , AND IS something that ought never have been done .
And that even includes ANY THOUGHT contrary to THIS HOLY GOD and HIS HOLY WORDS .
GOD will not , thus HIS CHRIST will not , thus His words WILL not
BE DENIED . and all who do so , THEY WILL BE DENEID BY HIM . you cannot love a lie and THE TRUTH .
You will hold to one and despise the other . BUT IT WILL NOT BE BOTH .
SO if any holds to the cliam they love GOD and yet BELEIVE NOT HIS TESTIMONY HE GAVE OF THE SON .
THEY DESPISE THE GOD WHO DID TESTIFY ON THE SON and call him only A LIAR .
AND if one comes wrapped in wool and yet twists HIS words ,
THEY DO SO UNTO THEIR OWN DESTRUcTION . THEY LOVED ONLY A LIE , NOT HIS WORDS and THUS NOT THE TRUTH
and THUS NOT HE WHO IS THE TRUTH .
Again this is a simple fact . YE cannot LOVE GOD and hate his words . YE cannot . YE will hold to the lie and despise
the truth that does EXPOSE the lie . and again that is a fact .
BUT i got real good news . AND TO GOD AND HIS CHRIST we owe him all .
And here is TRUTH . THE SHEEP DO NOT HEED THOSE WHO TWIST THE PRESciOUS and HOLY WORDS GOD inspired .
FOR JESUS HAS THE SHEEP david . AND HE IS THE TRUTH , and came TO TESTIFY OF THE TRUTH
and THE SHEEP DO HEAR HIM .
 
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The SAME reason why pre-trib is DEAD

1,000 Literal Years are a Promise of GOD for those who believe and receive His words.

AFTER the Tribulation is Christ Coming/Resurrection FOLLOWED by the Rapture is for those who believe and receive His words.
Guess you know why i be so hated . cause by grace THE SHEEP DONT COMPROMISE but rather BY HIS SPIRIT
they Expose the works of darkness . clinging ONLY TO THE TRUTH , TO THE LIGHT , TO GOD AND HIS CHRIST and HIS WORDS .
That be again a fact . So when this all inclusive ecmeincal harlot follwoing anti christ interfaith embracing
generation ASKS me to sit at that table OF COMPROMISE
i point them to a very special land as in NEVER LAND . THIS SHEEP by grace WILL NEVER SIT at such a table
of vomit and digust that has trod THE SON , TROD GOD and TROD HIS WORDS under foot .
And i do suggest NONE DO .
 
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i dont know . but all i was saying was Your scripture is not g onna prove that .
One simple precise command did not stop them either.
And the Lord God commanded the man, “You are free to eat from any tree of the garden,
but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for on the day you
eat from it, you will certainly die.” Genesis 2:16-17

That was very simple and easy to understand.

Which proves...

There is nothing in the Bible that someone out there cannot find a way to deny what it says.
Should I argue with them all day?

Especially when many believers with spiritual sense already know they are evil and apostate?

And keep in mind.
He is the Word! (John 1:1)

To deny the Word?
Is to deny Him before men.

It is frightening for me to witness to seeing people who are dead set in denying what gives hope to Bible-believing Christians.
For they are heading for great trouble.

...........
 

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The SAME reason why pre-trib is DEAD

1,000 Literal Years are a Promise of GOD for those who believe and receive His words.

AFTER the Tribulation is Christ Coming/Resurrection FOLLOWED by the Rapture is for those who believe and receive His words.

What did you mean by... "pre-trib?

I take it you do not believe in the Rapture of the Church.
 

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Nor do i think this all inclusive do , sin accepting do , this judge not generation
understands . That any behavoir , any word spoken and any action done
THAT CoNTRADIcTS the ONE TRUE GOD , HIS WORDS , HIS SON , HIS testimony ,
IS A LIE , IS wicked communiations , AND IS something that ought never have been done .
And that even includes ANY THOUGHT contrary to THIS HOLY GOD and HIS HOLY WORDS .
GOD will not , thus HIS CHRIST will not , thus His words WILL not
BE DENIED . and all who do so , THEY WILL BE DENEID BY HIM . you cannot love a lie and THE TRUTH .
You will hold to one and despise the other . BUT IT WILL NOT BE BOTH .
SO if any holds to the cliam they love GOD and yet BELEIVE NOT HIS TESTIMONY HE GAVE OF THE SON .
THEY DESPISE THE GOD WHO DID TESTIFY ON THE SON and call him only A LIAR .
AND if one comes wrapped in wool and yet twists HIS words ,
THEY DO SO UNTO THEIR OWN DESTRUcTION . THEY LOVED ONLY A LIE , NOT HIS WORDS and THUS NOT THE TRUTH
and THUS NOT HE WHO IS THE TRUTH .
Again this is a simple fact . YE cannot LOVE GOD and hate his words . YE cannot . YE will hold to the lie and despise
the truth that does EXPOSE the lie . and again that is a fact .
BUT i got real good news . AND TO GOD AND HIS CHRIST we owe him all .
And here is TRUTH . THE SHEEP DO NOT HEED THOSE WHO TWIST THE PRESciOUS and HOLY WORDS GOD inspired .
FOR JESUS HAS THE SHEEP david . AND HE IS THE TRUTH , and came TO TESTIFY OF THE TRUTH
and THE SHEEP DO HEAR HIM .
Stop using caps, please?
It is considered shouting and rude in internet-speak.

It is painful to follow.
It is like I am reading the words of a drunk.
It is not good communication.

Look what you posted here!

THAT CoNTRADIcTS the ONE TRUE GOD ,​


Please?