Conversation with An Atheist

[Wrangler]

If morality is objective, why aren't we killing homosexuals.... Do you see how objective morality couldn't possibly be a thing.

I thought I already explained that with the objective quarter pounder example?

 

[Wrangler]

No not at all, science offers the best explanation

Is that an objective or subjective statement?

 

[Mancunian]

Repeating the claim that morality is subjective doesn’t answer the question of why you hold homosexuality morally acceptable yet they are still being killed in Islamic countries.

Do you suppose IF morality were objective homosexuals would be either killed everywhere or nowhere?

The reason that morality is subjective is that the people that would kill homosexuals see that as moral, the people who don't, see that as immoral.
Objective morality doesn't work.... We are in the position on this earth where killing is sometimes right and sometimes wrong. It's not always wrong, it's subjective. If you killed a person for no good reason then we as a society would view that as immoral. If you killed a person who was about to murder your family in cold blood and you had no choice but to kill, then society would view that as moral.
The police use lethal force all the time, is it justified in all cases? Of course not... Is it justifiable in some cases? Yes.
Is lying immoral? And so on.

 

[Mancunian]

The seed was / is good @Mancunian. Which soil are you?

Receptive, as long as you don't use manure.

 

[Matthias]

Receptive, as long as you don't use manure.

If you were receptive you wouldn’t have rejected Jesus. According to him, you’re one of the soil types that doesn’t produce a crop. My question to you was which one of those three you are. Can you face up to it?

 

[Mancunian]

And if this 'objective' morality comes directly from God, then that just proves it's subjective.
God commanded killing under certain circumstances, but commanded thou shalt not kill.
God gathered righteous armies for that purpose.
We agreed that God can lie, but commanded against it.
I can agree that there is an inbuilt sense of fairness in us, but we are all willing to forfeit that for the greater good.
It's subjective because objective morality can't ever work.
I don't think that killing is moral, but if future generations depended on it, I would kill.
That's subjective morality.

 

[Wrangler]

The reason that morality is subjective is that the people that would kill homosexuals see that as moral, the people who don't, see that as immoral.

Circular Reasoning. Some people say circles have 4 sides. Some people say a circle doesn’t have 4 sides. Therefore, what a circle is, is subjective.

 

[Mancunian]

If you were receptive you wouldn’t have rejected Jesus. According to him, you’re one of the soil types that doesn’t produce a crop. My question to you was which one of those three you are. Can you face up to it?

I'm not a soil type. I'm a living breathing human being.

 

[Matthias]

I'm not a soil type. I'm a living breathing human being.

All living breathing human beings are soil types in the parable. And, no, you can’t face up to it.

 

[Mancunian]

Is that an objective or subjective statement?

When something isn't set in stone it's subjective.
For the same reason that morality evolves, and when it does evolve it's still subjective and always will be.
Until of course we make ourselves extinct.

 

[Mancunian]

All living breathing human beings are soil types in the parable. And, no, you can’t face up to it.

In science all human beings have a blood group.
I can answer that with confidence.
Ask something sensible and you'll get a response.

 

[Mancunian]

I'll tell you what @Mathias
The next time that I go to the doctor's surgery, I'll ask which soil group that I belong to.
He might prescribe antipsychotics.

 

[Matthias]

In science all human beings have a blood group.
I can answer that with confidence.

It wasn’t the question you were asked.

Ask something sensible and you'll get a response.

Where you fit in Jesus’ teaching is a sensible question. You don’t have to face up to it now, but you will face up to it.

 

[Matthias]

I'll tell you what @Mathias
The next time that I go to the doctor's surgery, I'll ask which soil group that I belong to.
He might prescribe antipsychotics.

Not if the physician is a follower of Jesus.

 

[Mancunian]

Circular Reasoning. Some people say circles have 4 sides. Some people say a circle doesn’t have 4 sides. Therefore, what a circle is, is subjective.

Yes, it's all about opinions.
Was objective morality a thing before Homosapiens appeared on this planet? Is morality a social construct?
We invented our own evolving ideas of morality.

 

[Mancunian]

Not if the physician is a follower of Jesus.

So if my doctor was a follower of Jesus, what tests could he perform to show me which soil group that I belong to?

 

[Mancunian]

Would he know that I'm receptive to the idea of a creator by performing the tests?
Or are you just talking nonsense?

 

[Matthias]

So if my doctor was a follower of Jesus, what tests could he perform to show me which soil group that I belong to?

He would ask you and you wouldn’t tell him.

 

[Mancunian]

I wouldn't have thought that doctors need to know anything about soil types... They're probably more interested in curing ailments.

 

[Matthias]

I wouldn't have thought that doctors need to know anything about soil types... They're probably more interested in curing ailments.

It was your scenario, not mine.