Countering Jehovah's Witnesses

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Q: One translation of John 1:18 says that Jesus is the only-begotten god;
while another translation of John 1:18 says Jesus is the only-begotten son.
Which translation is correct?

A: Either one will do because, biologically speaking, they're both saying the
very same thing. But for clarity's sake; let's assume that "only-begotten
god" is correct. What are the ramifications of that?

Well; according to John 17:3 it suggests that the only true god's offspring is
the only true god; otherwise he'd be a false god; which is about as possible
as my offspring being a false human. In other words; like always begets like.
If the only true god were to reproduce, His offspring would be more of His
own kind just as when I reproduce, my offspring is more of my own kind.
Get my drift?

John 1:18 implies that when the only true god begot a son, He begot more
of Himself; viz: He begot a god that's of the species the only true god. It's
either that or the only true god begot not a species of god of His own kind;
but a species of god of another kind; which would be like me begetting not a
species of human of my own kind, but a species of human of an alien kind.

I watched an educational series on NetFlix in September of 2014 called "The
Inexplicable Universe: Unsolved Mysteries" hosted by Neil deGrasse Tyson
Ph.D. director of the Hayden Planetarium. Mr. Tyson said, in so many words;
that in the study of Physics, one must sometimes abandon sense and accept
discoveries as they are no matter how contrary to logic they may seem.

The NASA teams that sent Pioneers, Voyagers and Mariners out to explore
the solar system came to the very same conclusion: they learned to
abandon their logical expectations and instead expect the unexpected; and
they encountered plenty.

In the field of Christianity, as in the fields of Physics and planetary
exploration, faith believes what's revealed to it rather than only what makes
sense to it. I readily admit that the only true god multiplying to produce
another of Himself also called the only true god, makes no sense
whatsoever. But just as science admits to many unsolved mysteries; so does
Christianity. And there's no shame in that. The shame is in pretending to
have complete understanding of a supernatural religion that by its very
nature defies reasoning and common sense.

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[Dave24]

I am sorry but although you say a lot of things, you are really not refuting anything!!

 

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The Watch Tower Society insists that human life is entirely physical--
people cease to exist when their bodies expire. The Society substantiates its
doctrine with some things that Solomon wrote in the book of Ecclesiastes.

Traditional Christianity insists that human life is more than physical--
people continue to exist beyond the demise of their bodies. Traditional
Christianity substantiates its doctrine with some things that Jesus Christ
spoke in the New Testament.

Solomon was a very wise man and the brightest intellectual of his day. But
Christ claimed that his wisdom is superior to Solomon's.

†. Luke 11:31 . .The queen of the south will be raised up in the judgment
with the men of this generation and will condemn them; because she came
from the ends of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon, but, look!
Something more than Solomon is here.

Solomon's understanding was limited, but Christ's is exceedingly vast.

†. Col 2:3 . . In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.

Traditional Christianity casts its vote for Christ primarily because it believes
that no man could possibly know more about the afterlife than he; and also
because it is God's edict that people listen to His son.

†. Matt 17:5 . . While Peter was still speaking, behold, a bright cloud
overshadowed them; and behold, a voice out of the cloud, saying: This is My
beloved son, with whom I am well-pleased; listen to him.

No doubt Solomon was inspired to put his world view in writing; but Christ
was more than inspired to say the things he spoke; the things he spoke
came directly from God.

†. John 3:34-35 . . For he is sent by God. He speaks God's words; for God's
Spirit is upon him without measure or limit.

†. John 8:26 . . He that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those
things which I have heard of Him.

†. John 8:28 . . I speak these things as the Father taught me.

†. John 12:49 . . I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me,
He gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

†. John 14:24 . .The word which you hear is not mine, but the Father's who
sent me.

In other words: people who take sides with Solomon against Jesus Christ
have taken sides against God; and the repercussions of their choice are
disastrous to say the least.

†. John 3:18 . .Whoever believes in His son is not condemned, but whoever
disbelieves stands condemned already

†. John 3:36 . . He that disbelieves the Son shall not see life; but the wrath
of God abides on him.

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I used to love letting them in my home, pity though a lot of the truth but all just head knowledge, always trying to convince you to join their religion. Last time I saw them, they wouldnt come in, thanked me because i was teh only one who ever invited them in. So i told them, they wont let you in because all you have to offer themn is your religion, when you have Jesus to give to them, than they will listen. never came back.

 

[Dave24]

I am studying with them at the moment, been going to their meetings for a while now. Not sure what you mean by head knowledge?? They want you to join because for them it's life saving work.
As in the day of Noah the coming "destruction" will be. Remember that only Noah and his family survived, according to scripture the same will take place during the coming end. According to scripture only God's people will have his protection then, the JW's believe that they are God's people today. That''s why they want you to join, they gain no other benefit other than potentially saving your life. They know that they have the truth, so they are not going to spend lots of time arguing about doctrine. They are content in this messed up world...once they have visited you and you decide that you are not interested then they move on Mathew 10:11-14.

 

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†. 2Tim 3:16 . . All scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching,
for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness

As every competent Bible student knows: though all scripture is inspired by
God, not all scripture is true. For example:

"At this the serpent said to the woman: You positively will not die." (Gen
3:4)

The serpent's statement is on record due to the inspiration of God: but the
serpent's statement is false.

Here's another:

"But as for eating of the fruit of the tree that is in the middle of the garden,
God has said: You must not eat from it, no, you must not touch it that you
do not die." (Gen 3:3)

Though Eve's statement is in the record due to the inspiration of God, her
statement is not entirely true. God didn't say they must not touch the fruit.

Ecclesiastes is in the record due to the inspiration of God: and though it
contains many truisms, not all that it contains is true. Solomon (if that's who
actually wrote it) didn't record his observations from the perspective of a
spiritual man who's privy to special knowledge beyond the scope of empirical
evidence: but rather, he recorded his observations from the perspective of a
man under the sun: viz: a worldly intellectual whose perception of reality is
moderated by what he can see going on around him in the physical rather
than what he cannot see going on around him in the non-physical: and
that's pretty much why it's so easy to find material in Ecclesiastes contrary
to the doctrines of traditional Christianity.

Ecclesiastes is popular with agnostics and atheists because it agrees, to a
very large extent, with their own secular philosophies: viz: Solomon's
remarks are primarily an evaluation of life on earth as seen from the earth
rather than an evaluation of life on earth as seen from heaven.

Solomon spoke of death; but there's no textual evidence in the book of
Ecclesiastes indicating that he had ever seen beyond death for himself to
know what he was talking about. In contrast, there is an abundance of
textual evidence indicating that Jesus Christ not only spoke of death, but he
had seen beyond death for himself to know what he was talking about. (e.g.
John 3:13, John 3:31-32, John 6:33, John 6:38, and 1John 1:1-3)

So in my estimation, Christ's eye-witness reports carry far more weight than
Solomon's opinions. Solomon's perspective was pretty much limited to what
he could see for himself; while the traditional Christian perspective is
enhanced by things that Christ can see for himself.

Q: So then, in what way is Ecclesiastes beneficial for teaching, for reproving,
for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness?

A: It's very valuable for showing that life sans religion is meaningless.
Humankind needs to believe in something higher than itself just to make
sense of why people exist at all.

Nobel Prize winner, author of several best-selling books, and recipient of at
least a dozen honorary degrees; physicist Steven Weinberg (who views
religion as an enemy of science), in his book "The First Three Minutes"
wrote: The more the universe seems comprehensible, the more it seems
pointless. But if there is no solace in the fruits of our research, there is at
least some consolation in the research itself . . . the effort to understand the
universe is one of the very few things that lifts human life a little above the
level of a farce and gives it some of the grace of tragedy.

Well of course Mr. Weinberg feels that way. How else could a thinking man
feel when he believes in nothing higher than himself?

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Fiction can be defined as stories about people and events that, though
untrue; are plausible; viz: realistic.

Fantasy can be defined as stories about people and events that are not only
untrue; but implausible; viz: unrealistic.

For example: a story about a boy like Pinocchio is unrealistic; while a story
about a boy with autism is realistic. The difference between Pinocchio and a
boy with autism is that the one is compatible with normal reality; while the
other is far removed from normal reality.

I have yet to read even one of Jesus Christ's parables that could not possibly
be a real-life story. They're all actually quite believable. Now; if he had told
one that alleged the moon was made of green cheese; we would have good
reason to believe that at least that one was fantasy; but none of them are
like that. At best; Christ's parables might qualify as fiction; but never
fantasy because none of them are so far removed from normal reality that
there is no possible chance of it ever being true.

Luke 16:19-31 is commonly alleged to be a parable; which of course implies
that the story is fiction; and some would even say fantasy. But the parable
theory has a fatal flaw. Abraham is not a fictional character: he's a real-life
man; held in very high esteem by at least three of the world's prominent
religions: Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. And he's also the friend of God
(2Chron 20:27, Isa 41:8). I simply cannot believe that Jesus Christ-- a man
famous among normal Christians for his honesty and integrity --would say
something untrue about a famous real-life man; especially about whom it's
said is one of his Father's buddies.

And on top of that, the story quotes Abraham a number of times. Well; if the
story is fiction, then Jesus Christ is on record testifying that Abraham said
things that he didn't really say; which is a clear violation of the
commandment that prohibits bearing false witness.

There is something else to consider.

The story of the rich man and Lazarus didn't originate with Jesus Christ. No,
it originated with his Father. In other words: Jesus Christ was micro
managed.

†. John 3:34 . . He is sent by God. He speaks God's words

†. John 8:26 . . He that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those
things which I have heard of Him.

†. John 8:28 . . I do nothing on my own initiative, but I speak these things
as the Father taught me.

†. John 12:49 . . I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me,
He gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

†. John 14:24 . .The word which you hear is not mine, but the Father's who
sent me.

So, by implying that Luke 16:19-31 is false, the parable theory insinuates
that God is a person of marginal integrity who can't be trusted to tell the
truth about people, not even about His own friends, which is ridiculous
seeing as how Titus 1:2 and Heb 6:18 testify that God cannot lie.

FYI: Luke 16:27 reveals that people in the rich man's situation suffer
anxiety worrying about their relatives.

Can you just imagine the shock, the horror, and the terror that kicks
deceased Jehovah's Witnesses in the guts when they find themselves in the
same situation? Well; that's all they need to instantly realize that traditional
Christianity has been right all along and the Watch Tower Society is a Judas
goat.

But that's not the worst of it. Just think of all the Jehovah's Witness parents
who have actually trained their own children to follow mom and dad down
there. How does one bear the torment of something like that on their
conscience?

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The Watch Tower Society uses the passage below to substantiate its doctrine
that people cease to exist when they die.

†. Ps 146:4 . . His spirit goes out, he goes back to his ground; In that day
his thoughts do perish.

The Hebrew word for "thoughts" is 'eshtonah (esh-to-naw') which means:
thinking.

Unfortunately, Ps 146:4 is the only place in the entire Old Testament where
'eshtonah appears so we can't compare its uses in other contexts. However,
according to Webster's the word "thinking" is an ambiguous word with quite
a variety of meanings to choose from; including, but not limited to:
concerns, anticipations, conceptions, opinions, imaginations, visualizations,
ideas, epiphanies, plans, schemes, fantasies, arguments, deliberations, and
the like.

For example: consider all those people who perished in the World Trade
Center, in the Japan and Indonesia tsunamis, and the Haiti earthquake.
None of them woke that day planning on it being their last on earth. No, on
the contrary; they had people to see, places to go, and things to do: but
before the day ended; whatever was on their minds lost its importance--
their priorities went right out the window and became no more significant
than green cheese on the moon. All their plans, their dreams, their
schedules, their schemes, their problems, their ambitions, their loves, and
their aspirations went right down the tubes as they were suddenly
confronted with a whole new reality to cope with.

So then, an alternative to the Watch Tower Society's theology is that people
don't go out of existence when they die. Their cognitive processes don't stop
working; no, Ps 146:4 only means that whatever was on their minds while
they were alive is now out of mind; viz: null and void.

Take for example Michael Jackson. While working on a new world tour,
Jackson died in his sleep. As a result; his tour perished on the spot.
Michael's dream went right out the window.

The "spirit goes out" refers to the breath of life that God blew into Adam's
nostrils in the book of Genesis. That breath (a.k.a. life force) served but one
purpose and that was to energize Adam's body (cf. Jas 2:26). But there is
much more to human life than a body. For example: where does human
nature come from? That is a great mystery.

How does the human brain, a 3-pound lump of flabby organic tissue,
produce the phenomena of memory, consciousness, individuality, and self
awareness? Why does Man have a sense of justice, of fair play, and a desire
for revenge? Why does he prefer to be right rather than wrong? Why be
right and/or wrong at all? Why does Man want his life to count for
something? Why isn't Man amoral like the other creatures? Butterflies are
free, why aren't we?

Those kinds of questions cannot be answered on a physical level. There is an
element to human life that is above and beyond an organic explanation.

One of the strongest proofs that people continue to exist beyond the demise
of their bodies is Jonah. While the prophet's corpse reposed in the tummy of
a fish, Jonah went to a place that he described as the bottoms of the
mountains. From thence he prayed for recovery; and was granted his
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Q: Doesn't the wisdom of Solomon say there is no activity or planning or
knowledge or wisdom in sheol? (Eccl 9:10)

A: When studying the book of Ecclesiastes, it doesn't take long to catch on
that his philosophy is based upon what can be seen through the eyes of
empirical evidence and human experience. In other words: Ecclesiastes is a
worldly view rather than a spiritual view. So, in order to obtain a spiritual
view of reality, one must resort to the revelations of an inspired prophet
rather than the reflections of an educated intellectual.

Jonah 2:1-7 is very tricky. There are actually three prayers mentioned in it.
One was prayed from the belly of a big fish, one was prayed from the belly
of sheol, and one was prayed at the point of Jonah's death. Very tricky.

Long story short: Jonah said that sheol is at the bottoms of the mountains.
(Jonah 2:6)

The bottoms of the mountains are not located in the tummy of a fish; they're
located in the depths of the earth.

He also said "As for the earth, its bars were upon me for time indefinite."
(Jonah 2:6)

The bars of a fish are its ribs, the bars of the earth are its mantle.

What I'm getting at is: although sheol probably includes one's grave, it's not
limited to that because while Jonah's body was on ice in the fish's tummy,
he was imprisoned at the bottoms of the mountains.

Jesus Christ likened his experience to that of Jonah's.

†. Matt 12:40 . . As Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a
huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart
of the earth.

Jesus Christ's corpse wasn't buried in the heart of the earth. It was interred
on the surface of the earth. In point of fact, his grave wasn't even located in
the earth's soil: it was above the soil in a rock-hewn tomb. So then:

Was Jonah in the belly of a fish three days and three nights?

Yes.

Was Jesus Christ in the belly of a tomb three days and three nights?

Yes.

Was Jonah at the bottoms of the mountains?

Yes.

Was Jesus Christ in the heart of the earth for three days and three nights?

Yes.

The only possible means by which all the above could be true for both Jonah
and Jesus Christ, is if the men and their bodies parted company and went
separate ways when they died.

How do I know that Jonah died? Easy.

"you proceeded to bring up my life" is the language of resurrection; but
there's more.

"But out of the pit you proceeded to bring up my life, O Jehovah my God."

The Hebrew word for "pit" sometimes indicates not only a literal hole in the
ground, but also the putrefaction that dead bodies undergo in the grave. For
example Psalm 16:10

"For you will not leave my soul in sheol. You will not allow your loyal one to
see the pit."

Peter applied that passage to Jesus Christ when he said:

"Moreover, even my flesh will reside in hope because you will not leave my
soul in hades, neither will you allow your loyal one to see corruption." (Acts
2:26-27)

According to the wisdom of Solomon, the dead are inactive in sheol and they
have neither knowledge nor wisdom; but Jonah had enough wits about him
in sheol to pray an intelligent prayer.

"I called out of my distress to Yhvh, and He answered me. I cried for help
from the depth of sheol; thou didst hear my voice." (Jonah 2:2)

The apparent contradiction between Solomon and Jonah is easy to resolve
when it's taken into consideration that the book of Ecclesiastes is inspired
philosophy, while the book of Jonah is inspired prophecy.

So then; people have a choice to make. Do they listen to Solomon the
philosopher or do they listen to Jonah the prophet? Abraham recommends
listening to the prophet. (Luke 16:27-31)

Q: You're saying Jonah went to hell?

A: Sheol/Hades essentially identify the afterlife world of the dead; both the
good dead and the bad dead. In point of fact, according to Luke 23:43
Christ's section of hades/sheol was a pleasant situation.

Q: People can pray their way out of sheol?

A: Jonah's circumstances were special. God commissioned Jonah to go and
cry against Nineveh. Long story short: Jonah refused. However; God was
determined to change that man's mind even if He had to kill him to do it.
Well; again, long story short:: God won and Jonah-- no doubt grumbling
every step of the way --finally marched off to Nineveh like he was supposed
to do in the first place. And best of all, Jonah's nautical experience became a
very valuable asset for people seriously interested in knowing what to expect
in the afterlife.

Q: So if New York City's sand hogs were to tunnel deep enough into the
earth they'd find sheol/hades?

A: The afterlife isn't physical; it's supernatural. So if the sand hogs were to
tunnel down to the bottoms of the mountains to find sheol/hades they would
fail because the supernatural world is non physical: viz: it cannot be detected
by sight, sound, smell, taste, or touch. In other words: their tunneling machine
could pass right through the very heart of the netherworld and not even
know it.

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†. John 3:34 . . For he is sent by God. He speaks God's words, for God's
spirit is upon him without measure or limit.

According to Jesus Christ's God-given message as per John 3:3-8, a physical
man is defined as the product of natural human birth. This is far more
serious than the typical non spirit-born Watch Tower Society missionary is
capable of realizing.

According to Paul the apostle's teachings at 1Cor 2:11-16, the physical man
(a.k.a. the soulical man) cannot relate to God, cannot perceive God's
thoughts, and cannot accept the things of the spirit of God because to the
physical man, the things of the Spirit are absurd and he cannot get to know
them because they are examined spiritually as opposed to examined
soulically.

REBUTTAL: One thing you fail to realize is that a person need not be spirit
born to be spiritual. There are a large number of references to this
throughout the Bible, including Moses, Joshua, David, and many others who
were spiritual and about whom it is never said they underwent spirit birth.

RESPONSE: Well; quite obviously that ship has sailed and it's time to wake
up and get your bearings. People today are not in the Old Testament era.
They're in the New; and there's no going back; so everyone now is pretty
much stuck with the God-given words spoken by Jesus Christ and the
inspired teachings of the apostle Paul. So then, even if 1Cor 2:14 wasn't
applicable back in the Old Testament's day, it sure is now; and all the clever
sophistry and humanistic reasoning and rationalizing in the world is not
going invalidate those men nor circumvent them.

Now, we should address the Society's rebuttal that "it is never said they
underwent spirit birth". The Watch Tower Society's rebuttal is called an
argument from silence; which is essentially a kind of logic that concludes if
something isn't clearly stated, then it's inferred from the silence that there
was nothing to state. But I infer from the God-given words spoken by Jesus
Christ, and from Paul the apostle's inspired teachings, that the Old
Testament's luminaries were all spirit-born to a man regardless of the Bible
not explicitly saying so.

Don't you see? The spirit birth about which Jesus Christ spoke was not a new
thing. In point of fact, Nicodemus was supposed to know all about it without
Jesus having to explain it.

†. John 3:10 . . Are you a teacher of Israel and yet do not know these
things?

The Watch Tower Society's missionaries have a decision to make: Did Jesus
Christ and Paul the apostle know what they were talking about or not? And if
they did; then why are the Society's missionaries listening to the Watch
Tower Society instead of listening to Jesus Christ and Paul the apostle?

Well; I'll tell you why. It's because Jesus Christ and Paul the apostle spoke
for the things of the Spirit of God; therefore their teachings are
unreasonable to Watch Tower Society missionaries by the simple fact that
they are products of natural human birth instead of supernatural spirit birth.

†. John 6:6-7 . . What has been born from the flesh is flesh, and what has
been born from the spirit is spirit. Do not marvel because I said you people
must be born again.

Well; it's no marvel to me. I mean, how else are people with a physical mind
ever going to relate to God on a meaningful level? With the 3-pound lump of
flabby organic tissue housed within their bony little skulls? HAW!

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[Barrd]

I am studying with them at the moment, been going to their meetings for a while now. Not sure what you mean by head knowledge?? They want you to join because for them it's life saving work.
As in the day of Noah the coming "destruction" will be. Remember that only Noah and his family survived, according to scripture the same will take place during the coming end. According to scripture only God's people will have his protection then, the JW's believe that they are God's people today. That''s why they want you to join, they gain no other benefit other than potentially saving your life. They know that they have the truth, so they are not going to spend lots of time arguing about doctrine. They are content in this messed up world...once they have visited you and you decide that you are not interested then they move on Mathew 10:11-14.

Now, that, I know from my own experience, is definitely NOT true.
I had two women come to my door. Jehovah's Witnesses. Upon being told that I was very happy with my Christian faith, they insisted that I needed to learn "the truth" from their pov.
Why not? In the course of a month, the younger of the two ladies began to doubt the JW line. She began to see that Jesus was, indeed, God in the flesh.
Before much longer, she converted. She is now a happy Baptist.

They don't come to my house any more....

 

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Now, that, I know from my own experience, is definitely NOT true.
I had two women come to my door. Jehovah's Witnesses. Upon being told that I was very happy with my Christian faith, they insisted that I needed to learn "the truth" from their pov.
Why not? In the course of a month, the younger of the two ladies began to doubt the JW line. She began to see that Jesus was, indeed, God in the flesh.
Before much longer, she converted. She is now a happy Baptist.

They don't come to my house any more....

This is unusual as they normally don't return to someone who KNOWS the Bible. They usually don't come into my place because I let them know up front I'm a born again, spirit filled Bible believing Christian, which seems to repel them instantly! I wonder why?

 

[Dave24]

Barrd,

I know many happy JW's that were once in mainstream christianity... so what is your point??

Not everyone coming to your door have the same experience...

 

[StanJ]

I know many happy JW's that were once in mainstream christianity... so what is your point??

Not everyone coming to your door have the same experience...

Are you a happy JW Dave? All the ones I have met are all confused and unsure of what to believe from day to day seeing as their dogma is always changing.

 

[Barrd]

I've never met a happy JW.

I think they are mythological creatures, like mermaids...you hear of them, but you never actually see one...

 

[Barrd]

This is unusual as they normally don't return to someone who KNOWS the Bible. They usually don't come into my place because I let them know up front I'm a born again, spirit filled Bible believing Christian, which seems to repel them instantly! I wonder why?

LOL...

Resist the devil and he will flee from you.

The older of the two women who came to my house really wasn't very bright. I have often wondered why they paired her with a newbie.
Neither of them were aware at all of the origins of their NWT...and they were both quite shocked to find out that the translators didn't even know the languages they were supposed to be translating.

Shades of Joseph Smith!

 

[StanJ]

LOL...

Resist the devil and he will flee from you.

The older of the two women who came to my house really wasn't very bright. I have often wondered why they paired her with a newbie.
Neither of them were aware at all of the origins of their NWT...and they were both quite shocked to find out that the translators didn't even know the languages they were supposed to be translating.

Shades of Joseph Smith!

Well to quote Forrest; "Stupid is as stupid does."

 

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It's both tragic and ironic that the Watch Tower Society's missionaries go
worldwide advertising a kingdom that they themselves will not be allowed to
enter. Here's why.

At John 3:3-12, Christ and a Jewish rabbi named Nicodemus discussed what
Christ labeled "earthly things". The primary earthly thing discussed was the
kingdom of God. The other earthly thing discussed was the spirit-birth
requirement to enter it. In other words: the kingdom of God on earth, and
the spirit-birth requirement to enter it, are joined at the hip.

Rank and file Watch Tower Society missionaries (a.k.a. the earthly class) are
not spirit-born now, nor do they ever expect to be-- not in this life, nor in
the next; yet they hope to enter the kingdom of God on earth. However,
seeing as how the spirit-birth requirement to enter it is a must rather than
an option; then they will not succeed.

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It's both tragic and ironic that the Watch Tower Society's missionaries go
worldwide advertising a kingdom that they themselves will not be allowed to
enter. Here's why.

At John 3:3-12, Christ and a Jewish rabbi named Nicodemus discussed what
Christ labeled "earthly things". The primary earthly thing discussed was the
kingdom of God. The other earthly thing discussed was the spirit-birth
requirement to enter it. In other words: the kingdom of God on earth, and
the spirit-birth requirement to enter it, are joined at the hip.

Rank and file Watch Tower Society missionaries (a.k.a. the earthly class) are
not spirit-born now, nor do they ever expect to be-- not in this life, nor in
the next; yet they hope to enter the kingdom of God on earth. However,
seeing as how the spirit-birth requirement to enter it is a must rather than
an option; then they will not succeed.

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Well, to quote Stan quoting Forrest:
Stupid is as stupid does...

 

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†. John 14:26 . . But the helper, the holy spirit, which the Father will send in
my name, that one will teach you all things and bring back to your minds all
the things I told you.

The Watch Tower Society's missionaries are taught to believe that God's
spirit is alongside assisting them to identify, and to understand, the correct
interpretations of the Bible. However, the Society's missionaries are also
taught that only a special guild of 144,000 anointed Jehovah's Witnesses
actually have the Spirit inside them rather than alongside and that is very
serious. Here's why:

†. Rom 8:9 . .You are in harmony, not with the flesh, but with the spirit, if
God's spirit truly dwells in you.

Seeing as how God's spirit does not truly dwell in the Society's missionaries,
then they are, by default, in harmony with the flesh. That only makes things
worse. Here's why:

†. Rom 8:5-8 . . For those who are in accord with the flesh set their minds
on the things of the flesh, but those in accord with the spirit on the things of
the spirit. For the minding of the flesh means death, but the minding of the
spirit means life and peace; because the minding of the flesh means enmity
with God, for it is not under subjection to the law of God, nor, in fact, can it
be. So those who are in harmony with the flesh cannot please God.

Bottom line: non anointed Watch Tower Society missionaries displease God,
and He displeases them; viz: it's mutual; yet the Society's non anointed
missionaries go door to-door brazenly passing themselves off as God's
friends and allies.

I think it probably goes without saying that people who do not have the
anointing are ill equipped to spot the people who really do; viz: it takes one
to know one.

That being the case; then the hewers of wood and haulers of water-- the
great crowd; a.k.a. the earthly class --are pretty much stuck with taking the
Society's word for it that the core doctrines they carry with them door-to
door were formulated by anointed Witnesses.

Here's a plausible scenario:

Millions of so-called Jehovah's Witnesses are subpoenaed to stand trial on
the same date at the Great White Throne event depicted at Rev 20:11-15.
The first one on the docket is Charles Taze Russell. Within minutes it
becomes apparent to everyone present that the founder of the Watch Tower
Society wasn't anointed.

Next up is Joseph Franklin Rutherford; another key player in the Watch
Tower Society's structure. Within minutes it becomes apparent to everyone
present that he too wasn't anointed.

Where does that leave his followers?

Well; if an axe is laid to the root of a tree, won't the whole tree fall? Yes; it
will. In other words: every so-called Jehovah's witness in the gallery will turn
pale and clammy with panic knowing that whatever befalls Russell and
Rutherford will also befall them; just as whatever befalls Muhammad will
befall every Muslim who believes in him.

†. Rev 21:8 . . But as for all the liars; their portion will be in the lake that
burns with fire and sulfur.

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