Daniel 7 can't support Amil's Timeline Pertaining to Rev 6:9-11, Rev 20:4

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Continuation:

Da 7:21 I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;
Da 7:22 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.
Da 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.
Da 7:24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.
Da 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
Da 7:26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.
Da 7:27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.
Da 7:28 Hitherto is the end of the matter. As for me Daniel, my cogitations much troubled me, and my countenance changed in me: but I kept the matter in my heart.

The spiritual battle that ensues upon the earth between the forces of good and evil seems to end in victory through the ten horns that come from the little horn as all manner of evil prevails against the saints of God. Until the time comes for the final GWTJ when the saints of God shall possess the everlasting Kingdom of God upon the new earth.

 

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I already agree that it is experienced in the here and now spiritually and through faith rather than by sight. But how does that resolve Daniel 7:22 in light of Daniel 21, that the former puts an end to the war once and for all before the millennium can begin? The war in verse 21 is still ongoing or is yet to happen. One thing it is not, that it is behind us and finished entirely. The until in verse 22 makes zero sense of verse 21 unless it accomplishes at that time, meaning when the coming occurs, ending the war in verse 21 permanently.

Da 7:21 I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;
Da 7:22 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.

The kingdom the saints of the most High received is the spiritual Kingdom of God in heaven that is eternal and will not be found upon this earth but will come down from heaven after this first heavens and earth are gone. They died in faith believing the promise of Messiah who was to come. Dying before the advent of Christ they could not inherit the Kingdom of God in heaven until Christ came to atone for sin and defeat death. That's why they are said to be "under the altar" through promise of God to save them.

The war between the forces of good and evil ended only for the saints of Old, who died in faith waiting for Messiah to come to rescue them. The battle for those of Old ended, but the battle that would ensue with the advent of Christ would then begin and would not end until the spiritual Kingdom of God in heaven is complete; the last Gentile to be born again entering into the spiritual Kingdom of God in heaven.

 

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John 5:22--Jesus plainly states---For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son.

My counter argument is that the Ancient of Days in Dan 7:9-11 is judging the spirit of power that uses mankind to accomplish evil. IOW judgment made against the beast. But in Dan 7:21-22 there is no mention of a fiery judgment throne with the little horn being judged. Dan writes only that the Ancient of days came and gave judgment to the saints, that the time came for them to possess the Kingdom. The two accounts of God judging are separated by time that John in Rev 20 symbolized as a/the thousand years. The judgment against the beast, paved the way for the gate of the Kingdom of God in heaven to be opened for whosoever among mankind would be born again.

Da 7:9 ¶ I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.
Da 7:10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.
Da 7:11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.

Da 7:21 I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;
Da 7:22 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.

 

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If you have 3 positions, for example-- Preterism, Amil, and Premil, and that one of these positions is the correct position, that means 2 of them aren't

That's Right!!!

 

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That's Right!!!

I regard preterism and premillennialism—including its various rapture theories—as false doctrine, but I will not address them here. Rejecting those systems does not automatically make every interpretation held by amillennialists correct. Although amillennialists share a basic understanding of the millennium, they disagree on many other prophetic passages. Those differences affect how they understand biblical eschatology, as the following examples show:

Subject	Differences among amillennialists
The beginning of the millennium	Some emphasize Christ’s earthly ministry including baptism of Christ, others the Cross, resurrection, ascension, or Pentecost as marking the inauguration of His millennial reign.
The first resurrection — Revelation 20:4–6	Some understand it as regeneration of the Saints—being born again. Others understand it as believers entering heavenly life with Christ after physical death.
The saints reigning with Christ	Some emphasize departed believers reigning in heaven. Others also emphasize living believers reigning with Christ spiritually on earth as well as departed believers in heaven.
The identity of Satan	Traditional amillennialists understand Satan as a personal, created angelic being who fell. Others, representing a less common interpretation, understand Satan as the spirit of disobedience within fallen humanity, manifested through people who oppose God.
The binding of Satan	Some emphasize restrictions on Satan’s ability to deceive the nations and prevent the spread of the gospel. Others emphasize Christ restraining deception and opposition so that He can gather His elect and build His church.
Satan’s release and the little season	Some expect a future, intensified worldwide persecution and deception. Others emphasize sudden increase of spiritual apostasy and deception within the visible church piror to Christ's second coming. These interpretations can overlap.
“Heaven” in Revelation	Depending on the passage, some understand heaven as God’s heavenly dwelling. Others understand particular references as symbolizing spiritual authority, the kingdom of heaven, or God’s congregation - eg. the kingdom of heaven.
The Antichrist	Some identify the Antichrist with the Papacy, others with a future or past individual, and others with recurring systems, institutions, or people who oppose Christ. Some combine these interpretations.
Antiochus IV Epiphanes and Daniel	Some understand Antiochus as fulfilling particular prophecies in Daniel. Others see him as a historical foreshadowing of later antichrist opposition, while disagreeing over which passages apply to him.
Babylon the Great	Some identify Babylon with pagan Rome, others with the Papacy, apostate Jerusalem, the unfaithful visible church, or the broader world system opposed to God.
The Olivet Discourse — Matthew 24; Mark 13; Luke 21	Some understand substantial portions as fulfilled in Jerusalem’s destruction in AD 70. Others emphasize the church age and final tribulation. Some understand first-century events as foreshadowing the final judgment.
The temple and the holy place	Some understand particular prophetic references as the physical Jerusalem temple building. Others understand them as the visible church or congregation where people are the stones in God's eyes, depending on the passage.
The abomination of desolation	Some connect it with first-century events surrounding Jerusalem’s destruction. Others understand it as apostasy, false worship, or antichrist authority within the church, sometimes expecting a final intensified manifestation.
The Great Tribulation	Some emphasize suffering throughout the church age. Others emphasize an especially intense final period of same tribulation. Some distinguish first-century tribulation from the final tribulation or see overlapping fulfillments.
Israel and the church	Amillennialists differ over how particular promises to Israel are fulfilled in Christ and His people, and whether certain passages also anticipate a distinctive future conversion of ethnic Jews.
“All Israel shall be saved” — Romans 11:26	Some expect a future widespread conversion of ethnic Jews. Others understand the phrase as the complete gathering of Jewish believers throughout history, or as the whole redeemed people of God.
The two witnesses — Revelation 11	Some understand them as the witnessing church collectively. Others associate them with particular individuals, historical figures, or other symbolic representations of God’s testimony.
The 1,260 days, forty-two months, and “time, times, and half a time”	Some understand these as symbolic descriptions of the church age. Others connect particular occurrences with limited historical periods or a final period of persecution.
The beasts of Revelation	Some emphasize the Roman Empire and emperor worship. Others emphasize recurring physical political, religious, and economic powers opposed to Christ, or their final manifestations. Some emphasize on the body of people with spirit of Satan within the congregation.
The mark of the beast and 666	Some emphasize first-century imperial associations, including Nero. Others emphasize symbolic allegiance to anti-Christian powers. Some combine historical and recurring spiritual meanings.
Armageddon and Gog and Magog	Some emphasize a final worldwide assault on the church. Others emphasize the spiritual conflict expressed through deception and persecution, differing over how physically or geographically the imagery will be fulfilled.
The structure of Revelation	Some see repeated visions describing the same church age from different perspectives. Others find more chronological development or give greater emphasis to particular historical fulfillments.
The overall approach to prophecy	Some combine amillennialism with the seasoning of partial preterism, others with historicism or idealism, and many use a combination. These approaches affect how they identify prophetic symbols and their fulfillment.

Amillennialism identifies a shared understanding of the millennium; it does not establish agreement on every other subject in biblical eschatology. Selah!