Daniel's 1260 vs. 1290 vs. 1335 vs 2300 Days Prophecies (Abomination of Desolation Was the Crucifixion)

[Douggg]

So, these are 2300 Evening and Mornings SACRIFICES being TAKEN AWAY, not 2300 days

Ronald, the issue is not what the daily sacrifice is. But the big picture of what will take place during the 2300 days.

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13 Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?

14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.
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Verse 14 informs that the vision Daniel had, during which, the little horn will make the sanctuary (the temple) desolate, until the sanctuary is cleansed will be 2300 days.

So the first action of the big picture of the 2300 days is that the daily sacrifice has to begin again.

Which the daily sacrifice will begin again on day 220 of the 7 years. From that point, the big picture of the
2300 days will continue until the day that Jesus returns on day 2520.

 

[Ronald D Milam]

IMO:

Daniel 9:25 says "sevens," not "years."

It is a mistake to read our modern conventions back into the ancient Middle East conventions.

שלום

It is not relevant in this situation, since it is talking about years, now if you are saying its seventy sevens, which means not continuous years per se, I agree, but its still seventy sevens of years in that 70 x 7 = 490 years. Why 70 x 7? Because in Leviticus, IN LAW, God made a law for Israel that said what ever punishment he gave them, if they did not repent, he would times their punishment by 7, so that is what happened in Daniel 9:24-27, so since we know Israel ORIGINAL PUNISHMENT was 70 years. the 70 x 7 has to be years, in this instance, because we traced it back to the original punishment.

Daniel 9:25 "seventy sevens":

o. "Seven" = seven years, where "year" = 360 days.
o. "Decree to rebuild" by King Cyrus of Persia = March 5, 444 B.C.
o. "Coming ruler" = Jesus on a colt.
o. Entry of Jesus on a colt was March 30, 30 A.D.
o. This was 69 sevens after the decree.
o. "One seven" is the reign of the coming ruler ((Daniel 9:27).
o. "One Seven" will occur at a time future to today.
o. We call the coming ruler "Anti Christ" = "False Christ."

Yes, you seem to understand its a divided timeline. Beasts over Israel..........Church Age........70th week after the church age ends.

But be very careful on the last one, Israel never accepts a False Christ, its nit even what most think, the thinking never adds up. John 5:43 was specifically about The Pharisees of Jesus' time, they rejected him, then in like 67-70 AD in the wars vs. Rome, they put forth Messiahs who came in "Their own name" because they knew God was supposed to send the Messiah to save them from Rome. He will, but its a Revived "E.U. Rome". Israel never accepts this man as the Messiah. WELLL...well, well (I got that all the time) how can this man have sway over Israel for the first 3.5 years? They agree to some sort of deal right? Yes but not as most think, they agree (Covenant = Agree) to become a Member State of the European Union, that sets of the 70th week and the rapture of the church. He helps them out during the Gog and Magog war and more than likely, understanding Dark Sentences (of Satan) he will take credit for God Almighty's handiwork of wiping out 5/6 of the Gog and Magog coalition, and thus Israel will trust him enough to not only join the E.U. but give up their Nukes in order to become an E.U. Member State, else how could he ever conquer them?

If you want to see that AGREEMENT (Covenant) already in play now, go look on Wiki, the European Neighborhood Policy. The E.U. has agreements with Israel and THE MANY (Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt, Tunisia, Morocco, Algeria and Libya) where they seek closer ties (trading etc) to fend of Russia and China's growing influence, and in the creed, they state not only that, but that some of these nations may one day be invited to become Member States. Israel plays Futbal/Soccer in the E.U. They will join the E.U. not accept this man as their Messiah.

 

[Ronald D Milam]

Ronald, the issue is not what the daily sacrifice is. But the big picture of what will take place during the 2300 days.

It is not 2300 days, its 1150 days of an Evening and Morning Sacrifice. Let my ask you a very logical ,question if God had a prophesy and said the Yankees will not play, because baseball will be taken away for 9000 inning, would you compute that to 9000 days ? That would be like 24 years of no baseball. Of course not, but when we understand 9000 innings are 1000 days, that would mean almost 3 years of no baseball, so it really matters that we add it up how its written, not 2300 days but 2300 Evening & Morning Sacrifices or 1150 days. Make a new chart, your old one is null and void.

hundred days;

Did you not read my reply? It is not DAYS in the original text, its Evening and Morning OBLATIONS or PRYERS unto God, so 2300 OBLATIONS will be taken away, in the evening and morning, not 2300 days.

 

[Douggg]

Did you not read my reply? It is not DAYS in the original text, its Evening and Morning OBLATIONS or PRYERS unto God, so 2300 OBLATIONS will be taken away, in the evening and morning, not 2300 days.

During the 7 years that will precede Jesus's return, when will the Jews of Judaism begin the daily temple sacrifice again ?

Day 1...................... ?......................................................................................................................................................Day 2520

We are told in Daniel 9:27, that the sacrifice and oblation will be stopped in the middle of the week (7 years).

27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

 

[Jay Ross]

IMO:

Daniel 9:25 says "sevens," not "years."

It is a mistake to read our modern conventions back into the ancient Middle East conventions.

I agree that Daniel 9:24 states that Daniel People had 70 weeks of years, which was accepted to be 490 years which included years when an extra month was added to accommodate the movement of the Solar Sun by checking if the yearly harvest of the bailey crop corresponded with the sighting of a New Moon.

It is important to understand how Israel, using God directive, kept their calendar in step with the Solar years by adding an extra month around about every six years.

History shows us that the 2,300 years of the Little Horn being Given Armies to trample God's Sanctuary and His Earthly Hosts, i.e. Israel began around 250 BC, about seventy years after the death of Alexandra the Great, and that this trampling of God's Sanctuary and His Earthly Host is still continuing today and will not cease until God Judges the heavenly Hosts in Heaven and the Kings of the earth on the earth and imprisons them in a pit to await the time of their punishment in the near future.

It is not uncommon that even learned Theologians develop wrong understandings of God's word. One such wrongly established understanding is that the prophetic year is 360 days long and has plagued our understanding of God's Word ever since.

Shalom

 

[JimKnox]

The views in this thread are both hilarious AND heretical.

 

[Jay Ross]

It is not 2300 days, its 1150 days of an Evening and Morning Sacrifice. Let my ask you a very logical ,question if God had a prophesy and said the Yankees will not play, because baseball will be taken away for 9000 inning, would you compute that to 9000 days ? That would be like 24 years of no baseball. Of course not, but when we understand 9000 innings are 1000 days, that would mean almost 3 years of no baseball, so it really matters that we add it up how its written, not 2300 days but 2300 Evening & Morning Sacrifices or 1150 days. Make a new chart, your old one is null and void.

Did you not read my reply? It is not DAYS in the original text, its Evening and Morning OBLATIONS or PRYERS unto God, so 2300 OBLATIONS will be taken away, in the evening and morning, not 2300 days.

You are right if we understand that we have to add the evening and morning sacrifices together to obtain count of 2300 sacrifices and end up with the 1150 day count, however if the daily sacrifices consist of an evening and morning sacrifice then we will end up with the 2300 day count.

Since History has shown that the number of years in question is presently about 19 years short of the 2300 year total, then we can only assume that the understanding to come to the 1150 years is drastically wrong.

Shalom

 

[Jay Ross]

The views in this thread are both hilarious AND heretical.

That may be one way of considering the expressed points of view.

 

[William Barton]

Ronald D. Milam noted:
<it is talking about years>

IMO:
It is talking about "sevens," where a "seven" = "an undefined period of time."

 

[Ronald D Milam]

During the 7 years that will precede Jesus's return, when will the Jews of Judaism begin the daily temple sacrifice again ?

Day 1...................... ?......................................................................................................................................................Day 2520

We are told in Daniel 9:27, that the sacrifice and oblation will be stopped in the middle of the week (7 years).

27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

It is not relevant, (that is why I could care less...THINK NOW) because that is not THE SACRIFICE that is being taken away. Why would God even honor a "MEAT SACRIFICE" that is profane and offensive to Him, and His sons once and for all Sacrifice? He rent the temple and forsook Israel, and so you (and many others) seem to just accept this is a MEAT SACRIFICE being taken away AND it SEEMINGLY PROFANES the temple but how? The temple would need to be cleansed first, like it was cleansed after Antiochus defiled it. Since God rent e temple and left, do you really think a profane meat sacrifice will cleanse the temple? No, of course not !! They build the temple and do whatever they do, God WILL NEVER RETURN, until Israel accept Jesus as THEIR Messiah/Sacrificial Lamb. When does that happen Doug? (KEY right)

At the 1335, which is 75 days before the Middle of the week 1260 DOTL events, and the 1260 is when the Little Horn/AC turns on Israel and conquers them. That is 1260 days before ALL THESE WONDERS END as we are told in Daniel 12:6-7. (at the 2nd coming of course). So, at the 1335 Blessing the Two-witnesses show up BEFORE the DOTL to turn Israel back unto God. That is there JOB-1 as Malachi 4:5-6 clearly states. Also, Zech. 13:8-9 says 1/3 of Israel repents, then the very next verse, Zech. 14:1 says the Day of the Lord arrives. So, Israel MUST REPENT according to God's Prophets, JUST BEFORE the DOTL, this the 1335 coming 75 days before the 1260 DOTL fits brother. So, Israel repents before the middle of the week, that should be evident by now. That is a factoid, so lets go from there.

So, I contend the Daniel 9:27 AGREEMENT (Covenant = Agreement) is Israel joining the E.U. and thus since the Little Horn/AC will be the E.U. President, he will of course have political sway in Israel. Then after the 1335 he starts getting angry, but just like Antiochus(AE4), he has an ally in a Jewish High Priest, AE4's man was Jason (real name Yeshua, he took on a Greek name) and he and this "Orthodox" Jewish high priest both have something in common, they HATE Jesus worship, so when these 5 million (1/3) Jews turn to Jesus at the 1335, they start coming to the temple praising Jesus, singing songs to the REAL Messiah, to the REAL Lamb of God, to the REAL Sacrifice, and after 45 days the AC and this Jewish H.P. get angry, so they put forth and edict there will be no Jesus Worshiping in "his temple" and he the places some sort of IMAGE of his E.U. President up in the temple. Well, those Jews who repented, then worshiped Jesus in the temple, for 45 days, cleansed the temple. NOW it can be defiled by this Graven Image !! BUT, the Jews who repented understand, when they see this AoD, they have 30 days to flee Judea before the AC conquers Jerusalem. So, off they go to the Petra/Bozrah area.

So, lets look at how Dan. 9:27 is written.

And he shall confirm the covenant with many(Nations, not just Israel, look up the European Neighborhood Policy on Wiki) for one week(7 Years, which is the current length of the Agreements between the EU. Israel and 8 other Mediterranean Sea Nations): and in the midst(1290) of the week he shall cause(he tells the F.P. to do this) the sacrifice(Jesus Worship) and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation(his actions with his 2nd Beast F.P., shall make the temple DESOLATE or DEFILED until the CONSUMPTION of Gods Wrath ends his life at the 7th Vial, AMEN), and that determined(Gods Wrath that has been predetermined) shall be poured upon the desolate(shall be poured on the wicked and desolate sinners).

No do you see why a MEAT SACRIFICE was NEVER what God was speaking about in Dan. 9:27? WHY WPULD HE? It was besmirch His only begotten sons sacrifice !! BUT...but but...God was talking about this before Jess died !!! SO....God lives in all time at once, He foreknew Jesus would sacrifice Himself, therefore ALL FUTURE Prophesy about a Sacrifice after Jesus dies is going to be about Jesus. Daniel had no clue tbh, He just wrote wat he heard from the holy spirit.

Why do we ASSUME the Sacrifice is a MEAT SACRIFICE? Its Jesus Worship, else the temple would not have been cleansed (God rent it remember? And left Israel all alone and destitute) why would he return and CLEANSE IT with a PROFANE STUPID Meat Sacrifice? It would be mocking Jesus' sacrifice, in essence. The sacrifice that is taken away only makes sense that its the Jews who MUST REPENT before the DOTL, worshiping Jesus as their Messiah, then when this F.P. Jewish High Priest FORBIDS Jesus worship, after 45 days of allowing it, he thus FORBIDS Jesus Worship or TAKES IT AWAY.

 

[Ronald D Milam]

You are right if we understand that we have to add the evening and morning sacrifices together to obtain count of 2300 sacrifices and end up with the 1150 day count, however if the daily sacrifices consist of an evening and morning sacrifice then we will end up with the 2300 day count.

Since History has shown that the number of years in question is presently about 19 years short of the 2300 year total, then we can only assume that the understanding to come to the 1150 years is drastically wrong.

Shalom

Its days, not years....that is not even a question for me. But it does not say he will take the days away, but the Evening and Morning Oblation, 2300 of them. In Daniel, as in Revelation, God was crafty in how He said things because He wanted to lock it up until the end, so He said it the was He did knowing some confused England translators would translate it as DAYS instead of Evening and Morning Oblations. Before 1500, with no printing press, God knew this would never be understood, we have it lucky, we can study with a computer, and relate to other peoples studies.

 

[Jay Ross]

Its days, not years....that is not even a question for me. But it does not say he will take the days away, but the Evening and Morning Oblation, 2300 of them. In Daniel, as in Revelation, God was crafty in how He said things because He wanted to lock it up until the end, so He said it the was He did knowing some confused England translators would translate it as DAYS instead of Evening and Morning Oblations. Before 1500, with no printing press, God knew this would never be understood, we have it lucky, we can study with a computer, and relate to other peoples studies.

I know from history and Daniel 10-11 that the nation of Israel and its people have been trampled since around 250 BC and is still continuing today. It existed during the reformation with many churches/denominations persecuting the Israelite and even killing them. The trampling existed around the time of Christ's First Advent in 70 AD when the temple was destroyed and later in around 150 AD? when the temple mound was plowed to find the gold that had been lost into the soil etc.

Why dis Isaiah write Isaiah 24:21-22 when the kings of this present time period and the wicked Heavenly Hosts will both be judged and punished by being imprisoned to await the time of their punishment.

The desecration of the Temple during the time period of the Maccabees seems to mirror the Daniel 8:13-14 prophecy when the Temple was desecrated, however it does not reflect the years before and afterwards when the Israelites were trampled upon even up and until this present time.

History tells us that much of what is written in Daniel 11 has happened in the last few centauries such that we cannot just limit the 2,300 mornings and evening to just a time period of 2,300 days but rather that we must consider that the Daniel 8 prophecy would run over 2,300 years instead with its ending coinciding with the redeeming of the Israelite people which will happen around the year 2049 AD.

The historical evidence confirms my understanding.

Shalom

 

[Davy]

Hello aga

Hello again' the great tribulation is on the church not Isreal

Oh no, you can't just jump to that Revelation 7:9 verse while bypassing the previous verses about God's Sealing of 12,000 out of each Israelite tribe mentioned. The "great multitude" is shown having come out of great tribulation, meaning they had to have been sealed by God's Seal also beforehand.

The main subject of that Revelation 7 Chapter is God's Sealing of His servants by The Holy Spirit in preparation for the "great tribulation". Both the 'sealed' Israelites go through it, and the Gentiles of the "great multitude" also go through the tribulation while sealed.

 

[Marty fox]

Oh no, you can't just jump to that Revelation 7:9 verse while bypassing the previous verses about God's Sealing of 12,000 out of each Israelite tribe mentioned. The "great multitude" is shown having come out of great tribulation, meaning they had to have been sealed by God's Seal also beforehand.

The main subject of that Revelation 7 Chapter is God's Sealing of His servants by The Holy Spirit in preparation for the "great tribulation". Both the 'sealed' Israelites go through it, and the Gentiles of the "great multitude" also go through the tribulation while sealed.

I have no idea why you posted this what's your point?

 

[Davy]

I have no idea why you posted this what's your point?

I referred to your post #15.

Revelation 7, is actually pointing to all those 'sealed' with God's Seal, both the 144,000 and the "great multitude" all go through the "great tribulation."

Those on man's false Pre-trib Rapture theory try to claim the idea about the "great multitude" having come out of "great tribulation" to mean a rapture prior to the trib when it instead is about the 'sealed' Gentile servants of Christ that go through the tribulation and come out of it having washed their robes in the Blood of The Lamb Jesus. There is no such idea as a pre-trib rapture written of in God's Word.

 

[Marty fox]

I referred to your post #15.

Revelation 7, is actually pointing to all those 'sealed' with God's Seal, both the 144,000 and the "great multitude" all go through the "great tribulation."

Those on man's false Pre-trib Rapture theory try to claim the idea about the "great multitude" having come out of "great tribulation" to mean a rapture prior to the trib when it instead is about the 'sealed' Gentile servants of Christ that go through the tribulation and come out of it having washed their robes in the Blood of The Lamb Jesus. There is no such idea as a pre-trib rapture written of in God's Word.

I didn't say or even think that there is, I never mentioned a pretrib rapture in my post

 

[Davy]

I didn't say or even think that there is, I never mentioned a pretrib rapture in my post

I know you didn't. But that's where ideas that only one of those groups go through the tribulation originates. In reality per the Scripture flow of Rev.7, all mentioned in that Chapter are sealed by God's seal in preparation to go through the "great tribulation".

 

[Ronald D Milam]

I know from history and Daniel 10-11 that the nation of Israel and its people have been trampled since around 250 BC and is still continuing today.

In God's eyes this is not factual, God Himself stated that they would become as "Dead Men's Bones" unto Him, they were no nation, that is why he had to revive those bones in 1948. The Beasts were all put forth to bring Israel unto repentance. God stopped that 70 weeks judgment as Jesus died God left (rent the temple into) and thus the Judgment was put off until after the Church Age, meaning we are Raptured pre 70th week, and then Israel's 70th week will starts back up. NOTICE Rome on a map at that time.


Now notice the Anti-Christ/Beasts Kingdom after he and the E.U. conquers Turkey (Dan. 8:9 and the others in 11:40-43) Syria, Lebanon, parts of Jordan, Israel, and all of North Africa. It is the exact same landmass over Israel as was over them in the year Christ died. So, we get this below

Rome...Jesus Death...the Church Age..................................The Rapture...70th week begins/Beast arises again




And this is why the 10 horns (Completion = 10, horns = powers that be) or the E.U. (10 kings that give the Beast their power Rev. 17:12) and AC/Little Horn goes forth conquering, and when he goes through COUNTRIES (The MANY as seen in Dan. 9:27) to get at Israel, then conquers Israel and all of North Africa, we see the Beast that received a mortal wound by the Church (we turned Rome from a Beast Head into a Conveyor Belt of the Gospel of Jesus Christ by our blood) turning back into the 7 Headed 10 Horned Beast once again, that is why John saw it ARISING from the Sea !!

The trampling existed around the time of Christ's First Advent in 70 AD when the temple was destroyed and later in around 150 AD? when the temple mound was plowed to find the gold that had been lost into the soil etc.

In Rev. 11 the trampling is only 42 months right? Not YEARS upon YEARS. You have diagnosed it all wrong. See the point? How can it be all these years, as you insist, when God tells John its only 42 months. You conflate different verses brother, but do not seemingly know how to add in important context, as in Israel were as Dead Men's Bones for nigh 2000 years, there could be no trampling over Israel, now Israel rules itself, there is no Beast over her. When she joins the E.U. (Dan. 9:27 Agreement) she will still not be conquered until the midway point, which means the Gentiles will trample Jerusalem for only 42 months. You can't just make it fit brother.

The desecration of the Temple during the time period of the Maccabees seems to mirror the Daniel 8:13-14 prophecy when the Temple was desecrated, however it does not reflect the years before and afterwards when the Israelites were trampled upon even up and until this present time.

True, but Antiochus isn't mentioned anywhere but Dan. 11:21-33-34ish. We understand Dan. 8:9-14 is about the end times because God (Jesus on the waters) told us this via an Angel speaking of those verses.

Dan. 8:15 And it came to pass, when I, even I Daniel, had seen the vision, and sought for the meaning, then, behold, there stood before me as the appearance of a man.16 And I heard a man's voice between the banks of Ulai(Jesus), which called, and said, Gabriel, make this man to understand the vision.

17 So he came near where I stood: and when he came, I was afraid, and fell upon my face: but he said unto me, Understand, O son of man: for at the time of the end shall be the vision. (END TIME, not Antiochus Epiphanes' time)

MORE CLUES.......

19 And he said, Behold, I will make thee know what shall be in the last end of the indignation(God Wrath is quenched/ended): for at the time appointed the end shall be.20 The ram which thou sawest having two horns are the kings of Media and Persia. 21 And the rough goat is the king of Grecia: and the great horn that is between his eyes is the first king. 22 Now that being broken, whereas four stood up for it, four kingdoms shall stand up out of the nation, but not in his power.

23 And in the latter time of their kingdom(NOW Greece never went away), when the transgressors are come to the full(NOW), a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences(AC/Little Horn) shall stand up.

24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power(Rev. 13:4-5 says the exact sane thing): and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.

25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many(AC/Beast of Rev. 13 and Dan. 11:36-37): he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes(Jesus); but he shall be broken without hand(Dan. 2 says the Rock cut of of the Mountain WITHOUT HANDS, Paul says he will be destroyed by the words of Jesus' mouth).

26 And the vision of the evening and the morning(Not DAYS) which was told is true: wherefore shut thou up the vision; for it shall be for many days. 27 And I Daniel fainted, and was sick certain days; afterward I rose up, and did the king's business; and I was astonished at the vision, but none understood it.

So, this was not about Antiochus, he was a type Beast, but the above verses is about THE BEAST/666 man.

History tells us that much of what is written in Daniel 11 has happened in the last few centauries such that we cannot just limit the 2,300 mornings and evening to just a time period of 2,300 days but rather that we must consider that the Daniel 8 prophecy would run over 2,300 years instead with its ending coinciding with the redeeming of the Israelite people which will happen around the year 2049 AD.

Its 2300 Evening and Morning Sacrifices that is taken away, so its only 1150 days, there is an Evening and a Morning Sacrifice or Oblation unto God. Taking away two every day amounts to 1150 days.