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Deu 18 was talk about Jesus, is it ?

Discussion in 'NonChristian Help Forum' started by Ricky W, Dec 14, 2007.

  1. Faithful

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    Ricky W;27026]A'udzubillaahiminasysyaithonirrojiimBismillaahirrohmaanirrohiimYour possibilities it might be logic as well, yes that could be one of the possibilities that might what it is. However if we saw what Jesus has said in John, it would be more clearly state, that the prophet was not Jesus(pbuh).Let us see what i meant by seeing these verses below :John 16:16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.This verse clearly state Jesus(pbuh) was not the prophet that Deuteronomy 18 has said, why ? If we see the language structure that Jesus(pbuh) has said, he using word he instead of I. Which is from we can tell that the prophet was male, but not Jesus (pbuh).16:14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.16:15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.This verse give us more better view that the prophet was not Jesus(pbuh) himself.
    Hi Rick, Genesis 1:1-4 John 1:1-14 and 1 John 5:7.Shows that you are wrong about what the bible teaches about the word.Read them carefully. Christ is the word made man and they are the true children of God born of the will of God. Jesus in Luke 1:35And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.Isaiah 9:6-9. (John 1:14. ( 1 John 5:7.)) 6.For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. 7.Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this. 8.The Lord sent a word into Jacob, and it hath lighted upon Israel. John 1:14 (King James Version) 14.And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth Isaiah 11:1-2. 1.And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots: 2.And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD; Men today still do not realise that it is out of the stem of Jesse that a branch shall grow from the roots. So whoever is born of Jesse is a descendant of David whether born of David or not. And that word is Jesus Christ because Isaiah clearly shows a child is born a Son is given.
    simpleword said :Luke 10:16 He that heareth you heareth me; and he that despiseth you despiseth me; and he that despiseth me despiseth him that sent me.response :If others God prophets saying like the way Jesus(pbuh) said, is it will have a different result ?Ok, i'll try my best to do that, but are you willing to do the same ? Can you do too, to others viewing either ?I do apologize for your statement above, but i don't see any of the connection between what i've been asked.And who is the one who said, that he was ?
    All the prophets who were inspired by the Holy Spirit spoke the same truths all awaitied the time of Christ the Messiah. All the prophets saw the coming of Christ. Jesus confirmed this when he said Abraham was joyous to see his coming.
    Are you trying to loss the fact that Ishmael was brethren to Isaac ?Again, instead of using word brother why using word brethren ?Now let us see what the bible has said regarding on your own though rather then God's Word it self, shall we [​IMG] ?Deuteronomy 18:15The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;Deuteronomy 18:18I will raise them up a prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee(Moses), and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.God has speak unto Moses(pbuh) that the prophet was like moses and among their brethren.Now im' asking you if you willing to answer. Who is their ? and who is their brethren ?
    Those born by the promise of the word of God, like Isaac and Christ and all born of Christ who were made his children by Gods will and through faith in his word by the power of God. Ishmael and his brethren were not born of the will of God but of the will of flesh and blood, Sara Abram and of course the slave Hagar. But Isaac was not born of a slave woman. He was born of a free woman by the will of God.
    Deuteronomy 34:10 And there arose not a prophet since in Israel like unto Moses, whom the LORD knew face to face,Now to get more clearly and closely, let us read Deuteronomy 34:10 above, it says the prophet who was like unto Moses(pbuh) wouldn't arise from Israel.Now i'm asking you, who can be that might ? Is it Jesus(pbuh) ?Well faithful i don't know how to say this, but It seems like God (*verse Deuteronomy 34:10) has denying your argument.
    Verse 10 does not deny the Christ, it says no other prophet since Moses knew God face to face like he did.But that was then and we know that before this the Messiah/prophet was promised by the same person Moses that a Prophet like unto him would arise out of their brethren. No ordinary prophet because unlike Moses, Jesus was the word which God send into Jacob and hath become a light for Israel.Isaiah 6:8. 8.The Lord sent a word into Jacob, and it hath lighted upon Israel. [/COLOR][/B]John 1:14 (King James Version) 14.And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth Isaiah 11:1-2. 1.And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots: 2.And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD; Men today still do not realise that it is out of the stem of Jesse that a branch shall grow from the roots. So whoever is born of Jesse is a descendant of David whether born of David or not. And that word is Jesus Christ because Isaiah clearly shows a child is born a Son is given.Faithful
     
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    A'udzubillaahiminasysyaithonirrojiimBismillaahirrohmaanirrohiim(Thunder1)
    Jesus Is The Son Of God ! That's It !
    But not God, if god, that might be ! Try to find it by your self, ok [​IMG]. It's your own 'Book' it should be easy for you to find [​IMG].Hey lady, we are already too far from this thread suppose to.Wallaahu a'lam.
     
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    YEP ! Go forward to the NT.
     
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    A'udzubillaahiminasysyaithonirrojiimBismillaahirrohmaanirrohiim(Thunder1;31042)
    YEP ! Go forward to the NT.
    Yup, and then after you found go look forward to OT, the answer was there [​IMG].Wallaahu a'lam.
     
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    And you read NT= part of the 'book',mentioned in quran. You just hear what you want to hear not even what is mentioned in quran.
     
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    A'udzubillaahiminasysyaithonirrojiimBismillaahirrohmaanirrohiim(Thunder1)
    And you read NT= part of the 'book',mentioned in quran. You just hear what you want to hear not even what is mentioned in quran.
    Ehm... Sorry, does this has to do with the thread ?Well, at least i know that son of God is god not God [​IMG].You may said anything you like to say, i'll do my best to not only hear it but also to know, and understand it with all of my clean heart and clear mind, event that on every book that i read.And as a result, it is Allah the One who should be worshiped, and none of other god deserve to worshiped. So once again, that is your right, your problem of being not [email protected] thanks for your writings, i will try to read it first [​IMG].Wallaahu a'lam.
     
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    Only the blood of Jesus is able to make you clean.
     
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    Sorry to cut in... but Thunder1, it's time to stop talking I think. You have not only distracted the discussion seemingly beyond redemption, but you are giving weak answers to fair questions which deserve a fair response.
     
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    Well, where have you been,brother ? I'm sorry Brother, Tyrel, I let you answer to these questions now. You just haven't been around for a while... and thanks for your support.
     
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    What the heck, Sure;Tenak;In Isaiah 9:1-7, the coming chosen Prince succeeding David is Elohim.In the Ingil;Even in Revelation, the Lamb is seen in the center of the Throne surrounded by the four living creatures, and beyond which, the Messiah has this name written on him;"King of Kings, and Lord of Lords" Notice that the Greek term for Lord here is Adonai. The term Jesus refers to God by elsewhere in the Gospel references.Please read this passage;"I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True. With justice he judges and makes war. His eyes are like blazing fire, and on his head are many crowns. He has a name written on him that no one knows but he himself. He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God. The armies of heaven were following him, riding on white horses and dressed in fine linen, white and clean. Out of his mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations. "He will rule them with an iron scepter." He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God Almighty. On his robe and on his thigh he has this name written: KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS. "~Revelation 19:11-16I know I know, it was off topic, but whatever, I was asked to. Besides, hopefully that will satisfy Ricky, thunder1, and perhaps others who read the thread. I answered the first question. Ricky, if you wish to discuss this post, just let me know, but I think the thread is now dead, as we've shown the Argument surrounding Deuteronomy 18 to be mute, and the result is conclusive beyond doubt.In Hope,~Tyrel
     
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