Did ANYONE In Scripture (Including Jesus), Claim Jesus IS God?

[GISMYS_7]

John 14:9​

Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and you still do not know me, Philip? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?

 

[GISMYS_7]

Here is another direct quote from Jesus declaring Himself as being One with His FATHER and thus making Him God/Elohim/Plural

Jesus said to them, I am the WAY the TRUTH and the LIFE, no one comes to the FATHER but thru ME

Deuteronomy 6:1-9
Now this is the commandment, and these are the statutes and judgments which the Lord your God has commanded to teach you, that you may observe them in the land which you are crossing over to possess, 2that you may fear the Lord your God, to keep all His statutes and His commandments which I command you, you and your son and your grandson, all the days of your life, and that your days may be prolonged. 3Therefore hear, O Israel, and [a]be careful to observe it, that it may be well with you, and that you may multiply greatly as the Lord God of your fathers has promised you—‘a land flowing with milk and honey.’

4“Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one! 5You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your strength.

6“And these words which I command you today shall be in your heart. 7You shall teach them diligently to your children, and shall talk of them when you sit in your house, when you walk by the way, when you lie down, and when you rise up. 8You shall bind them as a sign on your hand, and they shall be as frontlets between your eyes. 9You shall write them on the doorposts of your house and on your gates.

John 14:9​

Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and you still do not know me, Philip? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?

 

[face2face]

I don't think there is a Trinitarian (or even a Binitarian) counterpoint to that one.

But is that the "single" truth that F2F suggests is the exclusive means to salvation? We can't know one way or the other just by reading the verse, because Rom. 10:9 portrays itself as a sufficient condition for salvation, but not a necessary one. And there are other Scriptural passages which might suggest alternative paths.

Red let me ask you something via this attachment (go easy on me please ) I already perceive fireworks with this post!!!

Disclaimer: While I can support the categorization of Saints/Sinners, Enlightened/Unenlightened, I recognize it is a nuanced topic that often leads to heated debates, such as those surrounding OSAS (Once Saved, Always Saved), which I will not to engage in here. However, I am interested in hearing your views on these categories. Does the belief in the Trinity automatically place someone in the Sinner/Unenlightened camp? Conversely, if Unitarianism is found to be false, does that place someone in the same camp? What is God's perspective on truth and its significance? Which truth is salvific?


I'll include @Wrangler and @APAK into this thread

Lets talk about the options and what qualifies each. Now you might disagree with the labels and I'm fine with that for the moment.

Lets discuss the sinners first.

"Sinners" are justified by faith through their response to the teaching that is given to them. Therefore, those who reject it must be accountable for why they rejected the Word, as stated in John 12:46-48.

Here is John 12:46-48 (ESV):

46 "I have come into the world as light, so that whoever believes in me may not remain in darkness.
47 If anyone hears my words and does not keep them, I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge the world but to save the world.
48 The one who rejects me and does not receive my words has a judge; the word that I have spoken will judge him on the last day."

Okay, so lets find agreement if we can.

V46: Light here refers to a complete understanding of the Gospel, which includes the "things concerning the Kingdom of God and the name of the Lord Jesus Christ" as seen in Acts 8:21.

V47: It is the Word of God that determines whether one is enlightened or unenlightened (remains in darkness).

V48: The implied consequence of rejecting Christ and His Word is judgment, suggesting that those who reject the Gospel will not enter the Kingdom of God.

Now lets talk about the Saints:

"Saints" are justified by their works (from faith), living according to the Word of God by faith. Therefore, they will be held accountable for the sacred Truth entrusted to them and must give an account of how they have used it. As a result, they will either be considered godly or ungodly based on their actions.

Revelation 20:12-13 (ESV):

"And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Then another book was opened, which is the book of life. And the dead were judged by what was written in the books, according to what they had done.
And the sea gave up the dead who were in it, Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them, and they were judged, each one of them, according to what they had done."

"And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire." Rev 20:15

"But nothing unclean will ever enter it, nor anyone who does what is detestable or false, but only those who are written in the Lamb's book of life." Rev 21:27



F2F

 

[face2face]

Further to this above slide, consider the "unique" and "special" nature of the Elect, the Saints and how this group appear to be God's Special Treasure!

"Execute upon them the judgment written: this honor have all His saints. Praise ye the LORD." — Psalm 149:9

Verses 1-3: The saints come together, rejoicing in unity.
Verses 4-5: The reason for their joy is their salvation.
Verses 6-9: The honorable task of executing judgment is entrusted to them.

Psalm 149

A.1 Praise the LORD.
B. Sing a new song to the LORD, and praise Him in the congregation of His SAINTS.
C.2 Let Israel rejoice in the One who made them; let the children of Zion be joyful in their King.
3 Let them praise His name with dancing, and sing praises to Him with tambourine and harp.
D.4 For the LORD takes pleasure in His people; He will beautify the humble with salvation.
E.5 Let the saints rejoice in their glory; let them sing aloud upon their beds.
6 Let the high praises of God be in their mouths,
D’. and a two-edged sword in their hands,
7 to execute vengeance on the nations and punishments on the peoples.
C’.8 To bind their kings with chains, and their nobles with fetters of iron,
B’.9 To carry out the judgment written: this honor belongs to all His SAINTS.
A’. Praise the LORD.

So it's clear those who are saints are not pacifists. Jesus answered,

"My kingdom is not of this world; if it were, my servants would fight to prevent me from being handed over to the Jews. But as it is, my kingdom is not from here." — John 18:36

The saints will judge the world

Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints? Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? 1 Corinthians 6:1-2

Most High

"This matter is by the decree of the watchers, and the decision by the word of the holy ones (saints), to the end that the living may know that the Most High rules the kingdom of men and gives it to whom He will, and sets over it the lowliest of men." — Daniel 4:17

(It's worthy of noting Jesus is not considered in the Word of God to be the Most High and I beleive most Trinitarians would consider it very difficult to prove)

The above is given to show how the Saints are those not only saved but proven to be useful to their Lord who will judge the Nations and bring about a New Heaven and New Earth on the Earth.

Clearly, someone holding erroneous or incorrect teaching would not be suitable for such a task. For example, if a person is convinced that heaven is their destination, only to discover that it is actually all on earth! or, if they realize that God is not three but One, and so on, how does God, through Christ, address the many inconsistencies found in the world—especially with the existence of thousands of denominations?

If I were to compile all the warnings from the Apostles about the importance of truth and contending earnestly for the faith—admonishing us not to let anyone deceive us, lest we fall short of the promises, salvation, and the Kingdom—it would be foolish to think that we shouldn't have a strong sense of urgency about "getting our faith" right. We should not simply rely on a commentary, pastor, minister, or anyone else to shape it for us.

The REWARD is too great to throw caution to the wind!

F2F

 

[Traveler]

Absolutely God was in Christ!!!

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

The Word became flesh and made His dwelling among us

OK lets get all technical here, God has a body and sits on a throne, so where did God get his body from if he did not create it for himself and the same goes for his throne. If you work it all back then God must have started off as the Holy Spirit, So God original is the Hoy Spirit.

 

[Johann]

In Jn. 8:57, the Pharisees didn't ask Jesus if He was the Messiah, but rather if He had seen Abraham, and thus "Before Abraham was born, I am the Messiah" doesn't make sense as an answer.





Καὶ εἶπεν ὁ Θεὸς πρὸς Μωυσῆν, λέγων, ἐγώ (I) εἰμι (exist) ὃ "Qu: καὶ εἶπεν, οὕτως ἐρεῖς τοῖς υἱοῖς Ἰσραὴλ, ὁ Ὧν 15 ἀπέσταλκέ με πρὸς ὑμᾶς. Kal εἶπεν ὃ Θεὸς πάλιν πρὸς Μωυσῆν, οὕτως ἐρεῖς τοῖς υἱοῖς ᾿Ισραὴλ, Κύριος ὃ Θεὸς τῶν πατέρων ἡμῶν, Θεὸς ᾿Αβραὰμ, καὶ Θεὸς ᾿Ισαὰις, καὶ Θεὸς Ἰακὼβ, ἀπέσταλκέ με πρὸς ὑμᾶς: τοῦτό μου ἐστὶν ὄνομα αἰώ" (Septuagint, Ex. 3:14-15)

The Pharisees asked, "You are not yet fifty years old! Have you seen Abraham?" (Jn. 8:57), and Jesus answered, "[...] before Abraham came into existence, I AM" (Jn. 8:58). Jesus explicitly not only said that He existed before Abraham was born, but that He's always existed, by referring to Himself as "I AM", the name of God: "And God spoke to Moses, saying, l AM THE BEING; and he said, Thus shall ye say to the children of Israel, THE BEING has sent me to you. And God said again to Moses, thus shalt thou say to the sons of Israel, the Lord God of our fathers, the God of Abraham, and God of Isaac, and God of Jacob, has sent me to you: this is My name for ever, and my memorial to generations of generations" (English translation from The Tanakh, Ex. 3:14-15). In response, the Pharisees attempted to stone Jesus to death for blasphemy, because they understood that He had said He's God. (Jn. 8:59)



Jesus referring to Himself as "the Son of God" is another way of saying that He's God. There's the idiom "more than one way to say something" which means "there are multiple ways to express the same idea or concept, using different words or phrasing, depending on the context or desired emphasis; essentially, it indicates that there is no single "correct" way to say something."

Absolutely correct here.

J.

 

[Wrangler]

Does the belief in the Trinity automatically place someone in the Sinner/Unenlightened camp? Conversely, if Unitarianism is found to be false, does that place someone in the same camp?

One of my earliest objections to trinitarianism was the proclamation that not believing it means you can’t be saved and are damned to hell.

The golden question sets this IDOLATRY straight; what verse says that?

Given that is false, why do trinitarians make it seem like their manmade doctrine is the central principle of Scripture?

 

[Wrangler]

But I am not looking just at a single sentence. I am looking at three. Two of which confirm that the first is not a necessary, but only a sufficient, condition to salvation -- precisely as its text suggests..

You lost me. What 3 sentences are you looking at and what do each confirm? Also, I still don’t understand the ‘not necessary but only sufficient’ dichotomy. Please explain the 4 possible condition scenarios:

1. Necessary and sufficient
2. Not necessary and not sufficient
3. Not necessary but sufficient
4. Necessary but not sufficient

I’m looking at this as a simple contract, like mow the grass weekly for $20 each mowing event is the term and conditions of the contract. Then apply it to the Scripture under discussion. Then, maybe it will make sense. Or the contrivance will be revealed. Thanks!

 

[David in NJ]

OK lets get all technical here, God has a body and sits on a throne, so where did God get his body from if he did not create it for himself and the same goes for his throne. If you work it all back then God must have started off as the Holy Spirit, So God original is the Hoy Spirit.

You are correct about the Holy Spirit.

Keep the Truth in your mind & heart and your understanding will continue to grow and see.

Truth #1 - Genesis - The word for 'God' is 'Elohim' which is Plural
Truth #2 - Genesis - Elohim/Plural is Three as dictated to us from the Scriptures = Gen 1:1-3
Truth #3 - Genesis - Elohim/Plural is Three as dictated to us from the Scriptures = Gen 1:26
Truth #4 - Genesis - Elohim/Plural is Three as dictated to us from the Scriptures = Gen 1:27
Truth #5 - Genesis - Elohim/Plural is Three is identified to us from the Scriptures = Gen chapters 12-35
Truth #6 - OT Prophets - Elohim/Plural will come to earth and dwell as Elohim in a man
Truth #7 - GOSPEL - Elohim comes to earth = "Immanuel, God with us"
Truth #8 - GOSPEL - Elohim stands at the door and knocks and whoever opens receives Elohim

 

[amigo de christo]

You are correct about the Holy Spirit.

Keep the Truth in your mind & heart and your understanding will continue to grow and see.

Truth #1 - Genesis - The word for 'God' is 'Elohim' which is Plural
Truth #2 - Genesis - Elohim/Plural is Three as dictated to us from the Scriptures = Gen 1:1-3
Truth #3 - Genesis - Elohim/Plural is Three as dictated to us from the Scriptures = Gen 1:26
Truth #4 - Genesis - Elohim/Plural is Three as dictated to us from the Scriptures = Gen 1:27
Truth #5 - Genesis - Elohim/Plural is Three is identified to us from the Scriptures = Gen chapters 12-35
Truth #6 - OT Prophets - Elohim/Plural will come to earth and dwell as Elohim in a man
Truth #7 - GOSPEL - Elohim comes to earth = "Immanuel, God with us"
Truth #8 - GOSPEL - Elohim stands at the door and knocks and whoever opens receives Elohim

The hour grows late and the cry has been made and has been given and the saints do hear its charge ,
Arise and contend for the true faith and embrace the truth of scripture . Embracing and loving all things written
for our own learning . The hour grows later and persecutions against the saints will increase .
Having all hope above on HIM all trust in the LORD who shall guide our steps into the final battle
of a war that has long raged against the saints .
A voice of darkness has taken hold upon many and by a false wordly version of love has decieved the hearts of many
right into a lie . Time to contend for the true faith and to speak TRUTH and live by THE TRUTH , BY the SPIRIT .
This war has led to persecutions since even the beginning of the gospel ./
But in this last hour the decieved will merge as one mind following one love and the god of this world who has blinded
the eyes of those who BELIEVE NOT and has led them to come against the HOLY GOD , CHRIST and the saints
who have not and will not conform to the lie , the very lie which the decieved now call love and beleive is love and even of GOD .
But it is not of GOD but of he who has desired to be AS GOD . .

 

[David in NJ]

The hour grows late and the cry has been made and has been given and the saints do hear its charge ,
Arise and contend for the true faith and embrace the truth of scripture . Embracing and loving all things written
for our own learning . The hour grows later and persecutions against the saints will increase .
Having all hope above on HIM all trust in the LORD who shall guide our steps into the final battle
of a war that has long raged against the saints .
A voice of darkness has taken hold upon many and by a false wordly version of love has decieved the hearts of many
right into a lie . Time to contend for the true faith and to speak TRUTH and live by THE TRUTH , BY the SPIRIT .
This war has led to persecutions since even the beginning of the gospel ./
But in this last hour the decieved will merge as one mind following one love and the god of this world who has blinded
the eyes of those who BELIEVE NOT and has led them to come against the HOLY GOD , CHRIST and the saints
who have not and will not conform to the lie , the very lie which the decieved now call love and beleive is love and even of GOD .
But it is not of GOD but of he who has desired to be AS GOD . .

Arise and contend for the true faith and embrace the truth of scripture .

Amen - there is only One Faith that SAVES = the WORD that was God in the Beginning

Embracing and loving all things written

JESUS Says: "man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that proceeds from the Mouth of God"

A voice of darkness has taken hold upon many and by a false worldly version of love has deceived the hearts of many

JESUS Says: "Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many."

But in this last hour the decieved will merge as one mind following one love and the god of this world

The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth,

CHRIST and the saints who have not and will not conform to the lie ,

But we are bound to give thanks to God always for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God from the beginning chose you for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth, to which He called you by our gospel, for the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Therefore, brethren, stand fast and hold the traditions which you were taught, whether by word or our epistle.

 

[Bee5]

1st age body.. = angel body material supernatural dna
2nd age body.. = flesh material body dna that is the "same image " or "looks the same" as our 1st age angel body

"We were all with God when He created us long ago( in the 1st age of time)..but in that "angel supernatural material body" there in the 1st age.. and that's why you "look just like" in your "flesh body" like you did there in your supernatural angel body in the first age of time.

Read Matthew 19:4 and on...which says "in the beginning"(1st age) God created them male and female... When the flesh body perishes, we have our angel body still from the 1st age.

Genesis 1:26) And God said, Let us make man(flesh man) (give us another body... but a flesh body )in our image, after our likeness: ( our flesh body looks like(same image or picture) as our angel body or 1st age body which is of supernatural material dna or angel body..So each flesh body is either male or female just like in that 1st age. If you are a female now in a flesh body for this 2nd age, you look like your 1st age body(angel body)... female

"Us and our" included God Himself and His people He created(angels) He called us "angels" in that 1st age.. His flesh body(Jesus)looks like Him.. God has a body.
"Elohim" is God and the angels/(people in supernatural angel body material . He called us "angels" in that 1st age when He created us all)

27) So God created man( gave us a flesh body also) in his own image, in the image of God created "he him"( the "HE HIM" Is God Himself as Jesus, the flesh body of God for this 2nd age.. So God included Himself and He also will have a flesh body); male and female created he "them"(us, His people).

An "angel" is just a person in their supernatural body... males and females.

Matthew 19:4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them "at the beginning" made them "male and female",(the beginning is the 1st age)

Lucifer is a male and still has his 1st age body as do the "fallen" angels who refused a flesh body for this 2nd age of time... NOONE was destroyed. God relocated everyone in the "katabole" destruction because of rebellion, but did not destroy anyone YET. Genesis 1:2.. and the earth BECAME VOID... the "katabole" ending of that 1st age time period.

Our 2 bodies are in different dimensions.. one in Heaven in a supernatural/angel body..one on earth(flesh body)

Jeremiah 1:5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained[a] thee a prophet unto the nations.

God "KNEW" Jeremiah from the 1st age just like He knows all of us and what we did there .
God "hated Esau" while he was in the womb ...why?.. because of what Esau did in the first age.

God knows each of us and what we chose in that 1st age.

 

[amigo de christo]

Amen - there is only One Faith that SAVES = the WORD that was God in the Beginning


JESUS Says: "man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that proceeds from the Mouth of God"


JESUS Says: "Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many."


The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth,


But we are bound to give thanks to God always for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God from the beginning chose you for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth, to which He called you by our gospel, for the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Therefore, brethren, stand fast and hold the traditions which you were taught, whether by word or our epistle.

Thats right my friend . Forward march , let all be to the GLORY OF GOD no matter the cost to us my friend .
Every WORD of the LORD is pure and lovely and is TRUTH .

 

[amigo de christo]

You are correct about the Holy Spirit.

Keep the Truth in your mind & heart and your understanding will continue to grow and see.

Truth #1 - Genesis - The word for 'God' is 'Elohim' which is Plural
Truth #2 - Genesis - Elohim/Plural is Three as dictated to us from the Scriptures = Gen 1:1-3
Truth #3 - Genesis - Elohim/Plural is Three as dictated to us from the Scriptures = Gen 1:26
Truth #4 - Genesis - Elohim/Plural is Three as dictated to us from the Scriptures = Gen 1:27
Truth #5 - Genesis - Elohim/Plural is Three is identified to us from the Scriptures = Gen chapters 12-35
Truth #6 - OT Prophets - Elohim/Plural will come to earth and dwell as Elohim in a man
Truth #7 - GOSPEL - Elohim comes to earth = "Immanuel, God with us"
Truth #8 - GOSPEL - Elohim stands at the door and knocks and whoever opens receives Elohim

marvel NOT that AI supports interfaith views and sees JESUS as but a messenger , prophet or etc ,
I would Not heed that wacked on image for what it says . HEED the bible my friend . The attack upon I AM alpha and omega
is an attack upon the I AM ALPHA and OMEGA . I dont heed a word from this new age AI stuff . Listen to that video
and you even hear interfaith used in it . Everyone feels so darn entilted to her or his opinion .
As for me , I SEEN what is written and not a lick of it contradicts the other .
We stick to the bible my friend , this generation will do as it does , the sheep will do as THE ALMIGHTY KING and SAVOIR
sayeth to do . OH its gonna hit a peak soon my friend .

 

[David in NJ]

marvel NOT that AI supports interfaith views and sees JESUS as but a messenger , prophet or etc ,
I would heed that wacked on image for what it says . HEED the bible my friend . The attack upon I AM alpha and omega
is an attack upon the I AM ALPHA and OMEGA . I dont heed a word from this new age AI stuff . Listen to that video
and you even hear interfaith used in it . Everyone feels so darn entilted to her or his opinion .
As for me , I SEEN what is written and not a lick of it contradicts the other .
We stick to the bible my friend , this generation will do as it does , the sheep will do as THE ALMIGHTY KING and SAVOIR
sayeth to do . OH its gonna hit a peak soon my friend .

Everyone feels so darn entilted to her or his opinion .

And that right there is the PROBLEM and satan knows it, loves it and is the 'inter-faith' messiah

Force every'ones collective body of opinions upon the Word that was God in the Beginning = a return to Genesis ch3

 

[amigo de christo]

And that right there is the PROBLEM and satan knows it, loves it and is the 'inter-faith' messiah

Force every'ones collective body of opinions upon the Word that was God in the Beginning = a return to Genesis ch3

soon the motto will be if you no comply you no buy . Laws and times are changing my friend . laws and times are changing .
Rebellion has been left uncorrected for so so long
that now upmost rebellion against GOD has surged within many houses under guise it is the Love of GOD .
Leaven leavens as error begets error and the smooth talkers just preach what is smooth unto the masses .
Convincing all that anyone who dares to try and correct is now A JUDGE , Hater , pharisee who knows not GOD or love .
Soon enough where this has been leading will prove it was hate and murder all along .
As teeth of vengeance and fury rages against the saints who conformed NOT to the image
of the all inclusive god , which the lost believed was GOD and LOVE .
Even now we see its intolerance growing , its hatred increasing against those who wont conform but rather warn against it .

 

[doctrox]

OK lets get all technical here, God has a body and sits on a throne, so where did God get his body from if he did not create it for himself and the same goes for his throne. If you work it all back then God must have started off as the Holy Spirit, So God original is the Hoy Spirit.

...the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. (John 4:23-24)

 

[Taken]

One of my earliest objections to trinitarianism was the proclamation that not believing it means you can’t be saved and are damned to hell.

Then what you understood was a False Teaching.

First…All Flesh (bodies) Life (Blood) must, shall DIE…God requires that.
Gen 9:5

Men CAN willingly Give their Flesh Body unto Death…TO God…By Vow…By Act.

Men WHO believe, IN God, IN Jesus, In Jesus IS the Christ…

* Men WHO do so BY Vow…Receive their SOUL Salvation and SPIRIT Quickening Right THEN.
(They shall be Raised UP in their new bodies, By the Command of CHRIST). (Ie called the Rapture and applies to those who are called: IN CHIIST)

1 Thes.4:
[16] For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

* Men WHO during the Trib, WHO declare their “Belief In God, IN Jesus, In Jesus IS the Christ
(They will physically , bodily Die, and “collectively” “together” Their saved souls AND quickened spirits Shall rise up to Heaven….and WAIT for GOD to raise their new Body’s”.
* The Raising UP of New Body’s….BY God…
Is After the Trib.

They …WHO:
Believe IN God…
Believe IN Jesus..
But….DID NOT BELIEVE…JESUS IS the CHRIST…BUT “DID” believe Jesus died and rose up living.
They are raised up “collectively” “together”called (ie The First Resurrection) And applies to those called; IN JESUS.(NOT “IN” Christ…)God will Raise.

1 Thes. 4:
[14] For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

So no , salvation is NOT dependent on believing IN the Trinity…

And YES…Receipt of Salvation (BEFORE physical Death) DOES Required Belief…
In the Whole of God being…
His Word, His Spirit, His Power
As Called IN Scripture:
Lord God Almighty.

It’s called…A Confession…via a mans Belief TRUTH in his SPIRIT in his Heart…not his (carnal logical mind).

It’s called “A living sacrifice”.
It is called a mans “reasonable service”..
Acceptable to God.
That IS the Requirement to receive Soul Salvation and Spirit Quickening BEFORE a mans Physical Death …
And the Same Whom The Lord Shall rise Up changed…to meet and See the Lord in the Clouds / Air…
AS HE IS…Spirit.

It is accomplished…BY the mans Heartful Confession To the Lord, of what he Believes…and his willingness to Agree by Vow, to be bodily Crucified with Jesus’ body.

Rom 12:
[1] I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

If you believe IN Jesus, but that He is Not the Christ…God shall save your soul, quicken your spirit and raise you up changed at the First Resurrection.

If you have chosen Gods Offering to BE “IN” Christ…your name has been ENTERED ‘into the Lambs Book of Life”…and He shall raise you up…before…
The Wrath of the Lamb
The Wrath of the Devil
The Wrath of God…

Your Choice…The Lord God already Knows…and has PREPARED your place.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Jack]

Did ANYONE In Scripture (Including Jesus), Claim Jesus IS God?

Yes? Please offer Scriptural Quote.

Glory to God,
Taken

Several times!

 

[chandlere880]

Yes, Jesus himself said that when we have seen Him / Jesus, we have seen the Father
*-✦-*
Jhn 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me?

Jesus claimed to be God but truthfully explained that his flesh nature was not God but that he was simply a manifestation of God,