Did God Foresee Adam’s Disobedience?

[Berean]

Yes! Because God’s wisdom allows Him to see the end from the beginning (Isa. 46:10), God knew that he would disobey when presented with Satan’s lie and so the provision of Christ’s sacrifice for Adam was made even before the foundation of the world. “Knowing that you were not redeemed with perishable things like silver or gold from your futile way of life inherited from your forefathers, (19) but with precious blood, as of a lamb unblemished and spotless, the blood of Christ. (20) For He was foreknown before the foundation of the world, but has appeared in these last times for the sake of you.” (1 Peter 1:28-20 NASB)

Apostle Paul confirms this in Eph. 1:3-6 (NASB): “Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, (4) just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and blameless before Him. In love (5) He predestined us to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the kind intention of His will, (6) to the praise of the glory of His grace, which He freely bestowed on us in the Beloved.” God chose the followers of Christ in him before the foundation of the world. This means the sacrifice of Jesus and hence, its need – Adam’s disobedience – was foreseen by God before the foundation of the world.

 

[Biblepaige]

I'd say yes.Which is why Jesus Immanuel was the lamb slain before the foundation of the world. And why God wrote the names of his saved ones in his lambs book of life before the foundation of the world.

 

[Jack]

God foresee's EVERYTHING! His understanding is INFINITE! He created everything knowing all the results!

 

[Stumpmaster]

 

[Biblepaige]

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Interestingly I think is Paul's teaching in 1 Corinthians 2:24 sustains the T and U descriptions in Tulip.

Jesus sustains the U in John 6:44. That's just off the top of my head looking at the short list in that chart.

God is Sovereign. He must be Omniscient. Everything happens because God created it to work as it all does.

 

[Stumpmaster]

God is Sovereign. He must be Omniscient. Everything happens because God created it to work as it all does.

True, that's why He gave the Ten Commandments.

 

[Biblepaige]

True, that's why He gave the Ten Commandments.

And did not add an expiration date to them.

 

[Stumpmaster]

And did not add an expiration date to them.

Why are they being broken?

 

[Taken]

Did God Foresee Adam’s Disobedience?

Yes.

God is ALL knowing.

God IS JUST.

God provides A REMEDY, AN OPTION, AN OFFERING, for ALL men TO TAKE, to be forgiven, to become MADE perfected, to forever be WITH God and He WITH forever them

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Lambano]

Supralapsarianism (also called antelapsarianism, pre-lapsarianism or prelapsarianism) is the view that God's decrees of election and reprobation logically preceded the decree of the Fall. Infralapsarianism (also called postlapsarianism and sublapsarianism) asserts that God's decrees of election and reprobation logically succeeded the decree of the Fall. The words can also be used in connection with other topics, e.g. supra- and infralapsarian Christology.

The difference between the two views are minute; supralapsarianism, by virtue of its belief that God creates the elect and reprobate, is a suggestion or provides an inference that at some level, God decreed sin to enter into the world without being the author of it. Infralapsarianism teaches that all men are sinful by nature (due to the Fall), are thereby condemned through our own sin (free will), and that God had foreknowledge of whom He would rescue from condemnation.

Historical note: The Dutch Remonstrants' initial rejection of the doctrine of Predestination (especially the Supralapsarian form promulgated by Theodore Beza) not because it is horrible and unbiblical, but because it logically DOES imply that God is the Author of Sin.

 

[Biblepaige]

Why are they being broken?

Natural minds. The things of God are foolishness to the natural mind. Corinthians 2.

 

[Biblepaige]

Historical note: The Dutch Remonstrants' initial rejection of the doctrine of Predestination (especially the Supralapsarian form promulgated by Theodore Beza) not because it is horrible and unbiblical, but because it logically DOES imply that God is the Author of Sin.

How can God not be the author of sin?

What is sin? In short form,disobedience of God's laws.
It's like human law.

When a law is set forth to institute or imply necessity of obedience to it its converse application for non-compliance,disobeying,breaking the law,is punishment.

God created his laws. No conformity to those is sin.Law breaking. And results in punishment.

 

[Jack]

Everybody will learn!

Psalm 111:10
10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom;

Everybody!

 

[PGS11]

Maybe God simply allowed Adam and Eve to make the choice freely unfortunately they choose the wrong path. He may of known the choice they would make but he did not intervene when Satan approached Eve.There is also a lot more going on there involving Satan that we know little about.It is a interesting subject and it does open up all sorts of questions.

 

[Jack]

God created EVERYONE exactly as He wanted, knowing who would burn in Hell FOREVER and ever!

 

[PGS11]

Then why should bother with religion or even think about it - it makes no difference its already been decided for me I'm just wasting my time looking for my salvation.I am just a fool in Christ as Saint Paul says but like him I know I am not.

I don't buy it God surrounding himself with souls who did not choose to be there by their own will.Also no one can count on salvation because its not in their hands there is no hope in Christ God decided long before Jesus came and why did Jesus need to come no one needs saving it was all predetermined long before anyone existed

 

[Biblepaige]

Everybody will learn!

Psalm 111:10
10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom;

Everybody!

That's not fear as in living in terror of God.

 

[Jack]

That's not great as in living in terror of God.

The FEAR of God is a main Bible doctrine, OT and NT.

Hebrews 10:31
31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

 

[Biblepaige]

The FEAR of God is a main Bible doctrine, OT and NT.

Hebrews 10:31
31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

The Hebrew Yirah doesn't translate as to be terrified of God.

We Christians want to live with God for eternity in Heaven in fear?

 

[Biblepaige]

Mishle 9:10​

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Orthodox Jewish Bible​

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10 The Yirat Hashem is the beginning of chochmah, and the da’as Kedoshim (knowledge of the Holy One) is binah (understanding).
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Mishle 9:10 in all English translations